Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed

[Davis137]

Seems to me, the "Public" have spoken, in mass quantity, they support the OSEG plans and are anticpating shovels going in the ground soonest...

[JeffB]

"...all the requirements the city and the public wished..."

Except tenants for the stadium. Kind of important, those.

[LeadingEdgeBoomer]

No Appeal Decision Made by Friends of Lansdowne

Brad Wisker-CFRA
Saturday, May 26, 2012

The Friends of Lansdowne Park remain undecided whether to appeal the latest court ruling against its effort to stop the Lansdowne Park redevelopment.

The group is waiting to receive a written legal opinion after the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled against them in April.

The court agreed the City of Ottawa legally entered a partnership with the Ontario Sports and Entertainment Group for the project. It also found the deal doesn't constitute an illegal subsidy for a private business.

The Friends of Lansdowne Park have until June 29th to decide whether it will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada.

[JFFournier]

Originally Posted by phil235

Only if he can come up with $25,000. Anyone that gives him money is an idiot.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Clive Doucet

I am contributing to the legal costs of the Lansdowne Park Conservancy...

[J.OT13]

Save the trees!!

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca...hub=OttawaHome

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...rotesters.html

OMG!! What will the Glebites do once they start tearing out the heritage parking lot!?

[AuxTown]

Did anyone else see those idiots crying on the news today about the trees being cut down? You would think they were clear cutting a rainforest rather than a few dozen trees that were planted to mask the horrendous parking lot behind them.

[J.OT13]

I can't figure out what the heck these people are thinking. Did you hear the one saying they're cutting down a forest!? WTF!? Do they not realize they will have an actual park, a massive park for that matter, in just a few years?

I grew up in a 60's suburb down in Gatineau. Sure I was upset that they developed the old empty field by the tracks (mostly because I thought that big box stores were a waste of a good location near the city) and the conversion of the railroad bridge to buses. But I understand the need for the region to grow and re-invent itself as do the hundreds if not thousands of people living in that old neighbourhood in Gatineau (as far as I know, I didn’t hear about any sort of protest/lawsuit).

[S-Man]

"Take my kids, just don't hurt the trees!"

I couldn't get away from this today - it was everywhere. I even took a drive along Holmwood to see where the Holocaust was staged. Yeah.

I'm sorry, but if you think singing a protest song at the sight of a democratic decision you didn't agree with allow you to get your way, you're pretty sad and ill-informed.

[JeffB]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I can't figure out what the heck these people are thinking. Did you hear the one saying they're cutting down a forest!? WTF!? Do they not realize they will have an actual park, a massive park for that matter, in just a few years?

This really does seem like a case for the idiom "They can't see the forest for the trees."

They don't want any development on the site at all - unless it was to get rid of the buildings and replacing it with more local parkland. So we shouldn't be surprised at this reaction.

[citizen j]

I phoned Environment Canada and asked them to look into the possibility that the nests of migratory birds had been disturbed when the Glebe was constructed and asked them to tear down the neighbourhood and reforest the area. So relax gentle protectors of Nature; all is well.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by citizen j

I phoned Environment Canada and asked them to look into the possibility that the nests of migratory birds had been disturbed when the Glebe was constructed and asked them to tear down the neighbourhood and reforest the area. So relax gentle protectors of Nature; all is well.

The Glebe? How about the musquitos disturbed when the canal drained the swamp lands in 1832?

Bring back the dowtown swamp!

[Harley613]

The Glebe should secede from the union and build a dome around itself that can contain the smell of their own sweet farts.

[jaydog0212]

Originally Posted by Harley613

The Glebe should secede from the union and build a dome around itself that can contain the smell of their own sweet farts.

I am sure they would like that the Glebe its own city.

[Chris-R]

Originally Posted by jaydog0212

I am sure they would like that the Glebe its own city.

Given that most events of annexation and amalgamation seem to have come along with passionate naysayers, I would like to see some dis-amalgamations take place if for no other reason that, and assuming that provincial transfers remain constant in dollars (but are divvied up proportionately), how certain neighbourhoods or former municipalities would now face the challenges of raising needed capital to provide services or just keep it all together.

It's not as though we're going to return to two-tier municipalities any time soon (they're and unpopular option across the country, not just Ontario) and a great number of the previous annexations were undertaken as the result of financial difficulties. This is also why (in addition to budgetary pressures) I assume no growth in provincial funding and have credible doubts that the powers of the City of Toronto Act will be replicated elsewhere in the province any time soon.

So, thinking about the Glebe, for example, how would they reconcile their need for capital and tax revenues with their neighbourhood's broad-based opposition to development of any sort. Similarly, how would the suburban parts of the city, severed from the rest, reconcile their principal attraction with being on the hook for the expenses they bring.

I've always been interested in the bloviating from angry residents of the former Nepean or Kanata about how financially responsible they were (as if the RMOC and the Province didn't take care of anything and it was just sheer "gumption" and "common sense" that saw them through).

It's similar in my mind to my home town. South Porcupine was officially amalgamated into the City of Timmins in 1973. Much of the town still believes that everything was much better ("we used to have SPRING WATER DAMMIT!") and they were so much more responsible. The other side, of course, was that Ontario's share of municipal revenues was significant until then.

I went far off there, lol

[jaydog0212]

Originally Posted by Chris-R

Given that most events of annexation and amalgamation seem to have come along with passionate naysayers, I would like to see some dis-amalgamations take place if for no other reason that, and assuming that provincial transfers remain constant in dollars (but are divvied up proportionately), how certain neighbourhoods or former municipalities would now face the challenges of raising needed capital to provide services or just keep it all together.

It's not as though we're going to return to two-tier municipalities any time soon (they're and unpopular option across the country, not just Ontario) and a great number of the previous annexations were undertaken as the result of financial difficulties. This is also why (in addition to budgetary pressures) I assume no growth in provincial funding and have credible doubts that the powers of the City of Toronto Act will be replicated elsewhere in the province any time soon.

So, thinking about the Glebe, for example, how would they reconcile their need for capital and tax revenues with their neighbourhood's broad-based opposition to development of any sort. Similarly, how would the suburban parts of the city, severed from the rest, reconcile their principal attraction with being on the hook for the expenses they bring.

I've always been interested in the bloviating from angry residents of the former Nepean or Kanata about how financially responsible they were (as if the RMOC and the Province didn't take care of anything and it was just sheer "gumption" and "common sense" that saw them through).

It's similar in my mind to my home town. South Porcupine was officially amalgamated into the City of Timmins in 1973. Much of the town still believes that everything was much better ("we used to have SPRING WATER DAMMIT!") and they were so much more responsible. The other side, of course, was that Ontario's share of municipal revenues was significant until then.

I went far off there, lol

Part of the issue with Nepean and Kanata is each had there own budget and it was some what easy to take care of items vs the size of Ottawa now as everyone wants something.

[McC]

Originally Posted by jaydog0212

Part of the issue with Nepean and Kanata is each had there own budget and it was some what easy to take care of items..

of course it was easy to take care of their own budgets, those budgets weren't responsible for water, wastewater, regional transportation infrastructure (incl. OC Transpo), etc. i.e. all the really, really expensive stuff! While the local infrastructure was built along with the new subdivisions using the development charges from those subdivisions; no maintenance, no costly replacement of end of life infrastructure (it's all brand new!), just growth growth growth "paying as you go." what hogwash. The whole damn thing was (is) one big Ponzi Scheme, and amalgamation was the "bailout" that prevented the collapse, not that anyone in the old independent suburbs is grateful.

[jaydog0212]

Originally Posted by McC

of course it was easy to take care of their own budgets, those budgets weren't responsible for water, wastewater, regional transportation infrastructure (incl. OC Transpo), etc. i.e. all the really, really expensive stuff! While the local infrastructure was built along with the new subdivisions using the development charges from those subdivisions; no maintenance, no costly replacement of end of life infrastructure (it's all brand new!), just growth growth growth "paying as you go." what hogwash. The whole damn thing was (is) one big Ponzi Scheme, and amalgamation was the "bailout" that prevented the collapse, not that anyone in the old independent suburbs is grateful.

I don't think i would say it was a bail out it did help but i don't think it was a bail out.

[McC]

Originally Posted by jaydog0212

I don't think i would say it was a bail out it did help but i don't think it was a bail out.

of course it was. It was just pre-emptive to crisis point by a few decades. If the Old City of Nepean had stayed forever with their "pay as you go" policy, then the replacement cost of every piece of infrastructure owned by the Old City of Nepean would have been an "unfunded liability," (their cash reserves could never have been large enough to pay such costs). With amalgamation, all of these unfunded liabilities were transferred to the City of Ottawa, and the burden of them was spread across the entire population/economy of the former RMOC. It's no different than when the US Treasury bought up all that "asset-backed paper" from the banks, and spread the liability across the entire US population/economy in order to bail out those banks that were on the brink.

[jaydog0212]

Originally Posted by McC

of course it was. It was just pre-emptive to crisis point by a few decades. If the Old City of Nepean had stayed forever with their "pay as you go" policy, then the replacement cost of every piece of infrastructure owned by the Old City of Nepean would have been an "unfunded liability," (their cash reserves could never have been large enough to pay such costs). With amalgamation, all of these unfunded liabilities were transferred to the City of Ottawa, and the burden of them was spread across the entire population/economy of the former RMOC. It's no different than when the US Treasury bought up all that "asset-backed paper" from the banks, and spread the liability across the entire US population/economy in order to bail out those banks that were on the brink.

You don't think it helped the core getting many more tax payers?

[McC]

Originally Posted by jaydog0212

You don't think it helped the core getting many more tax payers?

Nope, not for the things that the old city did. Do you think that adding Nepean made libraries and firefighting services better in the core? In what way? (I'm not suggesting by implication that they were made worse, just that I can't see how adding Nepean taxpayers and Nepean libraries to the OPL would help library services in the core, especially considering the apocryphal promises of "administrative efficiencies" that were supposed to accrue). People in the core pay more, much more in property taxes. Do you think they get better service levels now that Nepean taxpayers are added to the municipal rolls? Don't forget, everyone was already paying into the till (unequally) for the regional services and infrastructure.