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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Old Posted May 11, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Sooo--it appears that these folks would rather leave these decrepit buildings alone--until they collapse and release the asbestos into the air as they collapse.

It would seem logical to remove the asbestos now in a controlled manner using containment techniques than just let it be released by deteriorating buildings.

Then again , logic has never been the strong suit of the anti Lansdowne developement crowd.
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Sooo--it appears that these folks would rather leave these decrepit buildings alone--until they collapse and release the asbestos into the air as they collapse.

It would seem logical to remove the asbestos now in a controlled manner using containment techniques than just let it be released by deteriorating buildings.

Then again , logic has never been the strong suit of the anti Lansdowne developement crowd.
I can just see it now nothing is done 5-10 years from now the arena & stadium and other buildings collapse the asbestos is in the air the Glebe has to be evacuated the houses then become worthless etc.
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Old Posted May 11, 2012, 12:39 PM
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I can just see it now nothing is done 5-10 years from now the arena & stadium and other buildings collapse the asbestos is in the air the Glebe has to be evacuated the houses then become worthless etc.
To which they'll say "why did the city never do anything about this??"
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Old Posted May 11, 2012, 3:22 PM
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Here is how his motion for appeal starts.If you want to read the whole thing google the file number.
Exactly. Anyone can file papers. He is by no means guaranteed that his appeal will be heard. His claim is a complete mess. It won't delay anything.

If you've ever looked at Mr. Martin's track record, you'd see that he goes to court quite frequently. What he doesn't do frequently is win his cases.
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That's a great piece. I like that the anchor opens with "something residents say, they know nothing about"...followed by idiotic comments...followed by extremely professional answers to how it will go down.

Another story about nothing.

What is with people who think everything is a new experimental project in this city? A tunnel? How will that work!? Tearing down a building with Asbestos? It's never been done!? etc.
It's like a small town in a Stephen Leacock story that suddenly realized one day it had become a city but couldn't stop being that small town.
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Old Posted May 12, 2012, 1:28 AM
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Bryn Askew: "They say one thing they mean another. If they said good morning you couldn't trust them it was the morning."

Yes, paranoid people often force themselves to believe alternate versions of what's really happening. And I love the name 'Bryn' - it's so...so.....modern. Reminds me of a girl in high school I knew - 'Jennn'...yes, three 'n's

But anyway, yes, they were happy to have those toxic dumps fall down around their ears to avoid people and noise, but now that something's being done about it, it's "we're concerned about our health."

Last year Bank street was torn up to replace water and sewer pipes that were ready to burst (given far newer pipes in Ottawa had burst the very same year).It seemed the people talking in that story (a facsimile of this one, too) would rather engineers wait until the night before the catastrophic break happens to work on it, then get it wrapped up nicely before dawn the next day. And without any noise, please and thank you.

I'm sorry, but if Glebites keep coming off this way, then yes, they will be perceived as uptight snobs obsessed with their own lives.
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Old Posted May 12, 2012, 1:53 AM
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Last year Bank street was torn up to replace water and sewer pipes that were ready to burst (given far newer pipes in Ottawa had burst the very same year)
Nothing to do with the whole Lansdowne debate, but why don't we (and every other municipality in the world!) demand cast iron pipes like we had in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They were undeniably waaaayyyy better than the — we have now and the premium price would be totally worth it.
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Nothing to do with the whole Lansdowne debate, but why don't we (and every other municipality in the world!) demand cast iron pipes like we had in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They were undeniably waaaayyyy better than the — we have now and the premium price would be totally worth it.
Then you would have people complaining about the city paying the "premium" price and not getting what they perceive is the "best value."
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Bryn Askew: "They say one thing they mean another. If they said good morning you couldn't trust them it was the morning."

Yes, paranoid people often force themselves to believe alternate versions of what's really happening. And I love the name 'Bryn' - it's so...so.....modern. Reminds me of a girl in high school I knew - 'Jennn'...yes, three 'n's
Yes, 'Bryn' is so modern it's been used in Welsh for centuries.
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New drivel on LPC:

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The City, the act, and Lansdowne Park
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Last month, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled that as a matter of law under the present Ontario Municipal Act, the City's June 2010 decision to move ahead on development of Lansdowne Park by the Ottawa Sports & Entertainment Group (OSEG) was OK, despite financial errors that would need to be corrected.

Earlier, the City had cancelled its own public design competition for the Park, to become a partner proponent with OSEG, without competition, of a development project that would turn control of most of the park over to private commercial development — predominantly high intensity retail, residential and entertainment, with a promise of return of CFL football as the draw.


In an op-ed following the Court ruling, the head of the Friends of Lansdowne detailed improvements needed in the deal:

1) clearer financial information and projections and Council accountability on costs to taxpayers;

2) definition and long term protection of the promised public benefits;

3) assured ongoing public voice in the governance of Lansdowne as a public asset.

This long story about a focused private push to take over an irreplaceable public asset in Canada's capital will be one of the best-documented, fully elaborated, and professionally analyzed stories of its kind. All its dimensions — financial, design, public-private, citizenship and governance, and more — have been brought into play.

It isn't over — one way or another.

It will go on on the ground. In something like the still-unfolding OSEG plans. Or in something more like the Lansdowne Park Conservancy (LPC) proposal, which has now become a clear realizable alternative vision. It demonstrates that with a different mix of benefits, the city can do more for public good regionally and locally, and support a wider base of regional and local commercial interests instead of a narrower set of financial interests in uptown Ottawa with associated international store chains.

It will go on in stories. Some will continue to be told as popular tales, in media and word of mouth. Some will be gathered and referred to as cautionary and positive examples in city governance, in professional planning and architecture and design. Some will add to civic activists' kits for pragmatic stewardship of the public interest in municipalities anywhere. Some will become guidelines for both prudence and boldness in city vision and development. Some will become pointed reference material for mayors and municipalities about structuring private-public partnerships. Some will be grist for fuller and increasingly realistic academic understanding and teaching about urban issues.

The complementary roles of city staff and city council in the evolution of this initiative is a key but so far under-explored area.

Ottawa citizens are doing persistent, creative, and good-humoured work to replace the initial narrow commercial motive and vision with authentic multi-dimensional city planning and management. It's inspiring. People are acting as individuals, and as groups with a full range of geographic and professional interests and responsibilities. Their attention is scoped at scales from neighbourhood, to regional city, to provincial.

The fundamental issue is ensuring the vitality of city taxpayers’ public interest, in a healthy competitive world. The Court’s decision moves it to an new level for all of us: provincial reform and updating of the Ontario Municipal Act.

Watch this space.
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Old Posted May 18, 2012, 12:39 PM
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Tim Lash is another one of these guys that can't grasp that the battle is lost. He's been hee-hawing the same stuff for some time, though with less exposure:

http://www.oldottawasouth.ca/index.php/oos-news/903-open-letter-june-21-2010

I love the comment about the LPC being a "a clear realizable alternative vision". I wish Tim would give that proposal 1% of the amount of scrutiny that he gives the LPC, objectively, then say this with a straight face.

And wouldn't you know it, he's a Glebe resident. His address is on the Friends of Lansdowne website, he lives on 3rd.
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Remember, he's not "biased", he's just "right". Having a stake in this situation has given him a clarity of vision.....
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Old Posted May 18, 2012, 8:35 PM
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Remember, he's not "biased", he's just "right". Having a stake in this situation has given him a clarity of vision.....
Lol...

Did you see the release from the FoL about ways to improve the deal? It includes...

"...the Ontario Court of Appeal said that it was not illegal for Ottawa City Council to approve a public-private partnership for the re-development of Lansdowne Park even though it technically breached the procurement by-law..."

Right, because judges would not look at it "technically", just in broad terms. They crack me up...
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Old Posted May 23, 2012, 5:07 PM
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Eh. Our boy now has a legal team.

http://tinyurl.com/cy6k636
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Eh. Our boy now has a legal team.

http://tinyurl.com/cy6k636
Only if he can come up with $25,000. Anyone that gives him money is an idiot.
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Only if he can come up with $25,000. Anyone that gives him money is an idiot.
I just hope he doesn't use any of the money he does raise (and he will raise some) to pay the $10K he already owes the city.
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I just hope he doesn't use any of the money he does raise (and he will raise some) to pay the $10K he already owes the city.
I hope he doese, then we can throw him in jail!
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Old Posted May 24, 2012, 3:17 AM
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I find that spelling the first lawyer's name wrong (the guy that looks like Groucho Marx) gives it that professional feel we've come to expect from John Ernest Martin.
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Clive Doucet wants me to contribute to the Lansdowne Park Conservancy's legal fees

Posted by Trevor Pritchard on Thursday, May 24, 2012

I mean, I probably won't, what with this journalistic neutrality thing and all. But I do subscribe to the Lansdowne Park Conservancy's mailing list, and today I got a personalized letter from Clive Doucet, the former Capital ward councillor and unsuccessful 2010 mayoral candidate, asking me to do my part.

It begins as follows:

Dear Trevor,

I am contributing to the legal costs of the Lansdowne Park Conservancy and am writing to persuade you to do the same.

The big advantage the Conservancy proposal has always been is that it is not an abstract idea. It's a physical proposal that includes all the requirements the city and the public wished, a new stadium for the city and a renewal of the park without privatizing it.

The LPC is the brainchild of Glebe businessman John Martin, who in March had his case against the sole-sourcing of the Lansdowne Park redevelopment dismissed by a Toronto court. It's important not to confuse the LPC with the higher-profile Friends of Lansdowne, who have also launched a so-far unsuccessful fight against the city (their case was recently quashed by the Appeal Court of Ontario).

After the LPC's case was dismissed, Martin was ordered to pay $10,000, or one-fourth of the city's legal fees, for what was termed an "abuse of process" by the divisional court. Martin has appealed the dismissal of his case, however, having hired a handful of experienced legal minds. And he's fundraising to continue his court fight.

If you're curious on what grounds the LPC's initial argument was quashed, Ottawa Citizen city hall reporter David Reevely has the ruling on his Greater Ottawa blog.
http://ottawa.openfile.ca/blog/ottawa/20...e-lansdowne-park-conservancys-legal-fees
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"...all the requirements the city and the public wished..."

Yeah, that must be why there was so much support for the plan.
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