HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Downtown & City of Vancouver


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #4741  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 6:47 AM
cornholio cornholio is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,916
Here is what I think is even more moronic.

The province spending millions every year to promote the province, increase the brand value of their name, and instill citizen pride in where they live, and then going and look at selling the naming rights to their own ****** stadium???? Do people not know why public buildings have the names they have???? The value in this? People go this route and then wonder why they end up living in a dump where no one gives a dam about the place they live, no pride, no loyalty.

Selling the naming rights of ANY public building or place is what I call moronic.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4742  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 8:50 AM
officedweller officedweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 41,786
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveston View Post
Gimme "BC Place" over "Telus Park" anyday of the week.
Sounds like a snowboarding run...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4743  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 9:42 AM
red-paladin red-paladin is offline
Vancouver Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Burnaby
Posts: 3,626
I can see now..

"Do you know how I get to Telus Gardens?"
"It's up three blocks"
"Thanks!"
"No prob, I just came back from there, I bought an iPod"
"You can buy iPods at a football stadium?"
"No that's Telus Park"
"I've already been to the Omnimax, where's the football stadium?"
"..."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4744  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 5:09 PM
flight_from_kamakura's Avatar
flight_from_kamakura flight_from_kamakura is offline
testify
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: san francisco and montreal
Posts: 1,319
yeah, i still can't believe that the company would be so brand-focused that they call their condo project 'telus gardens', it's actually sort of offensive.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4745  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 7:22 PM
officedweller officedweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 41,786
Various articles:

http://www.vancouversun.com/Nixing+Place+deal+looks+like+blunder/6276069/story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Telus...+failed+renaming+deal/6273586/story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Greas...ace+roof+cost+million/6273751/story.html

One article - which I can't find on-line - indicated that Telus had reserved 30% of the time on the interior digital boards - so not exclsuuve use of the interior signs.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4746  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 7:57 PM
TwoFace's Avatar
TwoFace TwoFace is offline
Dig-it
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Downtown
Posts: 956
I wouldn't put this one to bed just yet, especially now that they have to re-negotiate the existing rewiring work that was already done.

The key wording from that Vancouver Sun article could be ...

"The government cancelled the naming deal last week after it said the $40 million price tag to change the stadium's name to "Telus Park" was not rich enough and that the public wouldn't want to lose the building's iconic name.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4747  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 8:09 PM
dtrain dtrain is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveston View Post
Frankly, I'm rather sick of the whole corporate naming of arenas and stadia. Call me old fashioned, but I long for the days when you could actually tell where the stadium was located by it's name. I knew that "Three Rivers Stadium" was in Pittsburgh, "Taylor Field" was in Regina, "The Forum" was in Montreal, and "The Orange Bowl" was in Miami. Where the heck is the "Edward Jones Dome", "M & T Bank Stadium", "The Prudential Center", or "Scotiabank Place"?

Gimme "BC Place" over "Telus Park" anyday of the week.
Agreed - BC Place Stadium is not a PARK in any shape or form, it's a STADIUM.
I take my kids to play in the park, parks have trees, play area, etc.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4748  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 9:30 PM
Vancity's Avatar
Vancity Vancity is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Richmond, BC
Posts: 1,637
Bell should jump in, and rename bc place as Bell Stadium.

One more reason why the 'Caps need their own stadium. WHEN will that day come?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4749  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 9:34 PM
catkat catkat is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 42
Not a lot of companies in Canada willing to or able to put their name on a sporting arena. Does it point to Canada's lack of private sector economic muscle? In any event, I'm getting sick of seeing Bell, Rogers, Telus, ______ insert Canadian Bank, on everything
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4750  
Old Posted Mar 9, 2012, 9:37 PM
TwoFace's Avatar
TwoFace TwoFace is offline
Dig-it
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Downtown
Posts: 956
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancity View Post
One more reason why the 'Caps need their own stadium. WHEN will that day come?
Never.
They used to have their own house at Swangard, home to them and their 2-3 thousand fans.
I doubt that a venue is going to improve attendance if the product stays the same.

**edit.
Apparently the 1st season in the dome is looking better than I though, although not quit enough for an owner to be spending hundreds of millions on a private venue.
From SB Nation ...

"Barber indicated that the Whitecaps are about 1,000 season tickets below their cap and that 3,000 tickets remain for the first game in our Major League Soccer history against the Toronto FCs on March 19. Those are both large numbers, but take them in context. The Whitecaps' season ticket cap is 16,500, and a bit of Grade One subtraction tells us that means the Whitecaps have sold approximately 15,500 season tickets."

Last edited by TwoFace; Mar 9, 2012 at 10:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4751  
Old Posted Mar 10, 2012, 7:35 PM
Waders Waders is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,361
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vancity View Post
Bell should jump in, and rename bc place as Bell Stadium.

One more reason why the 'Caps need their own stadium. WHEN will that day come?
Well. Bell actually wants to called the stadium "Bell Pitch" . Unfortunately they don't want to pay PavCo $40 million dollars.
This "Naming rights" story is getting quite interesting with Bell somehow got involved.

Source: Whitecaps, Bell red-carded by B.C. Pavilion Corp
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4752  
Old Posted Mar 10, 2012, 8:06 PM
crazyjoeda's Avatar
crazyjoeda crazyjoeda is offline
Mac User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 861
Quote:
Originally Posted by cornholio View Post
The province spending millions every year to promote the province, increase the brand value of their name, and instill citizen pride in where they live, and then going and look at selling the naming rights to their own ****** stadium????
That's an interesting perspective, perhaps BC Place should be re-named BC Place with BC referring to the province/Tourism BC. If the province is holding the naming rights it should leverage that for its own promotional purposes like any corporate entity would.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4753  
Old Posted Mar 10, 2012, 8:29 PM
dreambrother808 dreambrother808 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,429
Heck, it's just not enough to actually look at the mountains, the ocean, our beautiful city, or pretty much anywhere else BC in order to instill some sense of wonder or pride.
Tourists or locals might even forget what province they're in.
Thankfully, we have the name of this stadium to rectify all that.

Last edited by dreambrother808; Mar 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4754  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2012, 12:08 AM
cornholio cornholio is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,916
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreambrother808 View Post
Heck, it's just not enough to actually look at the mountains, the ocean, our beautiful city, or pretty much anywhere else BC in order to instill some sense of wonder or pride.
Tourists or locals might even forget what province they're in.
Thankfully, we have the name of this stadium to rectify all that.
The reason Telus is willing to spend 40million is because it is worth it in a marketing sense. The province needs to and does actively also market its self, and spends lots of money on that. Using something especially like BC Place, something that is already supposed to represent the province, to market the provinces name has already more value to the province then using that same stadium to market the Telus brand. If the value is 40million to Telus its probably 60million+ to the province.

With your logic why should Telus spend 40million on the naming rights, everyone knows Telus, they have piles of advertisement campaigns already that hit every single person in this province, why spend that money on the stadiums naming rights? Infact why doesnt Telus them selves sell their own naming rights? They can call their downtown development Bell center, or Honda park for a fee.

Selling naming rights is short sighted imo and doesnt take the bigger picture in to account, at the end of the day the province ends up being on the losing end in the long term. I am confident that the 40million in revenue is easily exceeded in significantly higher indirect costs to the province.

I do however think that the province should be more proactive in using its facilities and resources at its disposal to more efficiently market its self.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4755  
Old Posted Mar 11, 2012, 12:10 AM
cornholio cornholio is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,916
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyjoeda View Post
That's an interesting perspective, perhaps BC Place should be re-named BC Place with BC referring to the province/Tourism BC. If the province is holding the naming rights it should leverage that for its own promotional purposes like any corporate entity would.

Thank you so much! You understand where I am coming from.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4756  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2012, 6:13 PM
hankthetank's Avatar
hankthetank hankthetank is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 90
Thank goodness the deal fell through. This looks awful!

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4757  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2012, 7:28 PM
officedweller officedweller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 41,786
Here's the link to the story where that pic comes from.

Huge difference in sign size. The Telus proposal spans almost 4 masts while the Pavco sign spans only 2 masts.

I can imagine a problem with the Telus sign shining right into a new tower on the Plaza of Nations site.

I wonder if recent sign issues with the City played into the dispute?? I'll bet it did.


Quote:
Oversized Telus sign blamed as BC Place deal breaker
Minister of Jobs, Tourism and Innovation Pat Bel sheds more light on the failed renaming of BC Place

By Jonathan Fowlie, Vancouver Sun
March 13, 2012

VICTORIA — The B.C. Liberal government says it cancelled a deal to rename BC Place in large part because Telus was planning to place two signs on the outside of the stadium that were almost 2.7 metres (nine feet) larger than agreed.

...

“It got to the point where it felt like we were trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. The deal was changing so much,” added Bell, who said he and Finance Minister Kevin Falcon, not cabinet, made the final decision.

...

Bell said the government originally told companies it was looking to sell rights that included the ability to place two illuminated signs on the outside of BC Place that would fit within a ring that encircles the base of the roof. Such signs would have been about 3.3 to 3.9 metres (11 to 13 feet) high.

The now constructed “Telus Park” sign was 4.5 metres (15 feet) for much of the writing, a Telus spokesman said, though he agreed some letters stretched to almost 6.7 metres (22 feet).

During negotiations, Telus told the government that if it had to reduce the size of its planned sign, it would also significantly reduce the $1.75 million per year it was prepared to pay for naming rights.

The Telus spokesman, who did not want to be named due to sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that was Telus’s position in its written terms, but added the company later took that off the table.

...

For government, the concern was not just having a much larger sign on BC Place, but also the fact that Telus would be getting a much better deal than had been offered to other companies in the initial call for proposals.

...

And PAVCO's proposal to Telus:







[
http://www.vancouversun.com/Oversized+Telus+sign+blamed+Place+deal+breaker/6291676/story.html

Last edited by officedweller; Mar 13, 2012 at 7:39 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4758  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2012, 7:37 PM
Prometheus's Avatar
Prometheus Prometheus is offline
Reason and Freedom
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver/Toronto
Posts: 4,016
Although the style of the proposed sign is not as cool or tasteful as I had envisioned (for example, I had envisioned a series of simple, crisp, clean looking backlight signs covering the exposed concrete bulkheads around the stadium), it is hardly a reason to forfeit $40 million dollars of revenue.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4759  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2012, 7:42 PM
Prometheus's Avatar
Prometheus Prometheus is offline
Reason and Freedom
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver/Toronto
Posts: 4,016
officedweller, why did you edit the following relevant passage from the Sun article?:

Quote:
During negotiations, Telus told the government that if it had to reduce the size of its planned sign, it would also significantly reduce the $1.75 million per year it was prepared to pay for naming rights.

The Telus spokesman, who did not want to be named due to sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that was Telus’s position in its written terms, but added the company later took that off the table.

“In the later stages of negotiations we agreed that if the signs needed to be reduced in size, or were required to be reduced in size, that we would not reduce our funding and that we would hold the accountability on that front,” said the spokesman.

“Towards the later stages we said, look, we’re willing to drop that.”


http://www.vancouversun.com/Oversized+Telus+sign+blamed+Place+deal+breaker/6291676/story.html
So, Telus was willing to change the signs and pay the full $40 million. Yet the government still cancelled the deal.

Last edited by Prometheus; Mar 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #4760  
Old Posted Mar 13, 2012, 7:54 PM
dtrain dtrain is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 64
I don't mind Pavco's "Telus Place" logo & sign design, it's tasteful and a bit more understated, although the font would have had to match Telus's corporate wordmark for them to accept it. Too bad they couldn't have agreed on that. The dogwood in 'Telus Park' sign would have been absolutely huge!
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Downtown & City of Vancouver
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:56 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.