BC Place: Stadium Refurbishment | Completed

[s211]

Originally Posted by djh

Who knows what happened behind closed doors? We're hearing the press releases. For all either of us know, they both couldn't come to a mutually-beneficial agreement. So it was a good business decision on Telus' part not to sign any proposed contract.

Don't try to turn a non-partisan comment a political opinion, please and thank-you.

Wow... a conspiracy theorist on top of a revisionist.

[djh]

Originally Posted by s211

Wow... a conspiracy theorist on top of a revisionist.

Now you're making needless hyperbolic statements, and calling names on top. Not necessary and not very civil. No history was "revisioned".


The point is, we don't know how this went down, so to say "the government" cancelled it is speculation. I simply said it was a good business idea for Telus not to sign a contract with the government if they would not get much name recognition. You're implying the Government held all the contractual strings and "pulled the plug", as if you know so for a fact. Do you know that's what happened? If so, please state your source.

[dreambrother808]

The article clearly states that Telus was not happy with the withdrawal of the offer.

Did you read it?

[jlousa]

It takes two to make a deal, Telus had strict conditions, the province wouldn't give on them so there was no deal. Telus had just as much influence on that outcome as did the province. Of course Telus isn't pleased with the withdrawal, I suspect neither is the province. They couldn't agree, I fail to see how anything djh said is inaccurate. Telus was wise not to sign a contract that they wouldn't be able to maximize name recongintion on.
I personally can't defend the province on this one, they felt the BC Place namesake was worth more then $40M, not suer I agree. If they have another offer on the sidelines then I'm willing to change my mind.

[logan5]

Air Canada pays 1.5 million per year for the naming rights for the home of the Toronto Maple Leafs and Raptors, which has much much higher media exposure than BC Place. On the surface it seems shocking that Pavco would turn down 2 million per year, but I'm sure there's more to the story.

It's a bit of an older list, but here's where the article is with a list of naming rights.

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.html

[NewWester]

I think we missed out on some hilarity: it could have been "bell pitch at telus stadium"

[huenthar]

I'm happy that it's staying BC Place... I really do hope though that the extra interior advertising possibilities is really worth the same $2 million a year. Seems pretty stupid, though - if the government was hardline about keeping the original name, why would they even start negotiations in the first place? How could it get to such an advanced stage when there is such a fundamental impasse? Doesn't make sense

[flight_from_kamakura]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

Source: http://imgur.com/a/pRWfA


Source: http://imgur.com/a/pRWfA

wow. the first image gives us a nice view of cosmo and the hilton site on robson, but an even better view of how colossally stupid it would be if canadian metropolitan properties were allowed to obstruct the iconic water view of the stadium with that conceptual china television-style building. i don't at all support more parkland there, instead hoping to see a golden gai or something, or at least some canals, but man, i also really hope not to see that view obstructed by a tower, no matter how nice.

the second one give us a sense of how completely canada hockey place (hehe) would disappear from the landscape behind all the developments planned around it. not a huge loss imo, but certainly a noticeable one.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by PaperTiger

And to equate naming rights to a stadium to selling rights to schools and libraries is a total red herring.

Lol ok how exactly is it a red herring? All are built with tax payers money so why not sell naming rights to recoup those costs? So it's ok to name bc place telus place but not yvr to telus airport? What's the difference? Both are 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 tacky

[dreambrother808]

I understand the emotional desire to defend more unique and individual naming such as Fenway. But BC Place? Come on! That's already the name of our whole entire province! It's not going to be lost in the sands of time.

[cc85]

Would you support a bid for Miller Genuine Draft to purchase naming rights to BC Children's Hospital for 50 million? Imagine all the publicity! 50 million dollars can do a lot for sick kids!

How about taking a wild ride along the Trojan Highway (formerly the STS Highway)?

[Waders]

The Vancouver Sun's article seems to give some detail what led to the decision. Telus wants the stadium to be named Telus Park and "Telus’ demand that all public reference to BC Place should cease".

Also, the following might be a factor to the decision.

Bell, the minister, said killing the deal now lets PavCo sell advertising sponsorships on the inside of the building that he thinks will amount to more than $40 million over the same 20 year term...

[touraccuracy]

come on people, they're not idiots and they need money so clearly they valued those naming rights differently than telus did.

maybe telus wanted a deal that restricted other corporate advertising inside, and the gov't figures they can still sell the naming rights to someone else AND sell interior advertising for a combined amount greater than 40 mil. the province obviously feels they can get more money somehow and this is the sort of thing that is well researched and discussed before hand.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by s211

Wow... a conspiracy theorist on top of a revisionist.

I hardly think someone saying that what goes on behind closed doors of a boardroom not being reported makes them a conspiracy theorist. One would have to quite naive to assume that everything that is discussed in a boardroom makes the public realm.

Originally Posted by jlousa

I personally can't defend the province on this one, they felt the BC Place namesake was worth more then $40M, not suer I agree. If they have another offer on the sidelines then I'm willing to change my mind.

I'll quote this as it's about exactly how I feel regarding this deal. No way I would value nostalgia at $40M but I dont know the full story so I'll just have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Lol ok how exactly is it a red herring? All are built with tax payers money so why not sell naming rights to recoup those costs? So it's ok to name bc place telus place but not yvr to telus airport? What's the difference? Both are 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 tacky

Well there is some truth to what you are saying there is most certainly a difference between a sports stadium and a library. One is an inherently business related sports centre, the other is a cerebral place of learning.

In terms of naming the airport, I don't really have a problem with it, although I'd expect far more than $40M given the international exposure naming an airport would bring.

[osirisboy]

Lol ok just to be clear I never said libraries

I find city's selling naming rights to hinges as tacky and cheap. If yvr was named after a corporation it would make Vancouver look like some destitute desperate for cash city

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Waders

The Vancouver Sun's article seems to give some detail what led to the decision. Telus wants the stadium to be named Telus Park and "Telus’ demand that all public reference to BC Place should cease".

Also, the following might be a factor to the decision.

Kind of like how PavCo said "It's ok that we didn't get the casino development, we'll get a bunch of other investment in the area to cover the same amount of money..." How's that working out?

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

In terms of naming the airport, I don't really have a problem with it, although I'd expect far more than $40M given the international exposure naming an airport would bring.

Don't airports with obtuse names already confuse travelers enough? If it were named the HSBC airport, that sounds like it could be anywhere

[TwoFace]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Don't airports with obtuse names already confuse travelers enough? If it were named the HSBC airport, that sounds like it could be anywhere

Airports don't get named after fast food restaurants or banks, rather historical figures like Trudeau, Pearson, Kennedy etc..

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by touraccuracy

come on people, they're not idiots and they need money so clearly they valued those naming rights differently than telus did.

maybe telus wanted a deal that restricted other corporate advertising inside, and the gov't figures they can still sell the naming rights to someone else AND sell interior advertising for a combined amount greater than 40 mil. the province obviously feels they can get more money somehow and this is the sort of thing that is well researched and discussed before hand.

That's what the statements made by the Government seem to infer (they wouldn't be allowed to disclose specific terms and conditions).

That seems odd if other third party advertisers were banned from inside "Telus Park"
(i.e. Rogers Arena has lots of third party advertising inside - that's the whole reason for the pixelboard displays ringing the stadium
(maybe Telus demanded terms tied to its supply of the pixelboards?))

If they sold off the exclusive rights to use those pixelboards (for 20 years) for a fixed fee, that would be a dumb move.
If they sold those rights at all (which wouldn't be advisable) it would have to be for a royalty (%age of the revenue), not a fixed fee.

Sounds like someone in Government actually read the contract.

[Steveston]

Frankly, I'm rather sick of the whole corporate naming of arenas and stadia. Call me old fashioned, but I long for the days when you could actually tell where the stadium was located by it's name. I knew that "Three Rivers Stadium" was in Pittsburgh, "Taylor Field" was in Regina, "The Forum" was in Montreal, and "The Orange Bowl" was in Miami. Where the heck is the "Edward Jones Dome", "M & T Bank Stadium", "The Prudential Center", or "Scotiabank Place"?

Gimme "BC Place" over "Telus Park" anyday of the week.