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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 11:35 PM
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^ Recession? This is Alberta, a province apparently on the verge of a boom. We should have more under construction as we speak in the Downtown core. Right now there is Mayfair I, Fed Building/environs, the Alberta Hotel reconstruct, First Jasper, and that's about it. Only one residential building. Sure there's a lot of proposals and approved buildings, but it's all talk until the shovels are in the ground.

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I don't disagree we have a lack contemporary condo towers to choose from, but below are some good options.

7th st lofts, omega, icon, quest, soon to be ultima, Philips, Cobogo.
7 St Lofts? Yes.
Omega? Don't know about interiors, but exterior leaves a lot to be desired.
ICON? See Omega. Tony is looking for something that's on par with the Calgary projects on the previous page. Really, the ICON is up to that standard?
Quest? Hideous exterior.
Ultima? All talk 'till the shovels are in the ground, though I have high hopes for this one.
Philips? Good, but older building.
Cobogo? See Philips.

The only buildings I can think of that are high quality designs in the Downtown vicinity that are recent construction are

Seventh St Lofts
City Market Art Lofts
Lessard House (luxury and Oliver)
Uptown (pushing it, really just a good design, but for Edmonton it's high quality and Oliver)

Not much. And all of these are more infill pieces. We need stuff the size of the ICON Towers or Quest or Omega that have high quality designs.

In the 'burbs there's Century Park, but that's not what Tony's looking for.
     
     
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What other cities? In the U.S.?
Winnipeg, Hamilton, Quebec City, Ottawa.

Austin, SLC, OKC, and although bigger: Minneapolis, Denver.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Give me something between 100 and 109 st and 98 Ave to 104 ave that looks like anything remotely similar to some of the building from other cities that have been discussed on here
Most cities don't have very much residential offers in there immediate downtown. That would be similar to me asking you to find something in the CBD of Calgary... between 9aveSW and 2aveSW and 7st SW and 1st
     
     
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I'm rather content....



Sure better units are available in To, Calgary and Vancouver...but try finding anything close to this in Ottawa or winnipeg.

Our condo market is developing and every cycle brings better product.

Some absolute shit got built in Calgary when their Condo market was first developing (Point Of View buildings anyone???) that are far uglier than anything built in this city over the last ten years.
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2012, 12:08 AM
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Winnipeg, Hamilton, Quebec City, Ottawa.

Austin, SLC, OKC, and although bigger: Minneapolis, Denver.
Winnipeg ok, and I even did a comparison. Winnipeg is churning out some great quality projects.

Hamilton? That one doesn't make any sense. The only connection really is that both have well regarded universities and a large blue collar base. However, the economies of both cities are rather different and Hamilton is under a gigantic shadow that needs not mentioning. Not to mention an older city which has better existing urban fabric to draw upon.

Quebec City? Much too old to be a realistic comparison to Edmonton. Different culture, population, laws, etc.

Ottawa is a decent city to compare to, if only because they both are nearly identical in size and in the same country. However, as I already mentioned, it is an older city which has a larger area that is urban rather than suburban, better urban fabric. Not to mention, it is the national capital, and with that comes perks that only other capitals and cities much larger than Ottawa can get.

Austin isn't bad, but the climate is totally different. The types of construction that is easy to do in Austin may be harder/costlier/less realistic in Edmonton, but correct if wrong. Being an American city, it is also subject to a different culture/mentality, laws, etc. We don't have interstates near our downtown like Austin does.

Salt Lake City is a good city to compare to, but it seems noticeably less urban. The geography is also different, not that in this case it makes a huge difference. The climate is similar though. But again, American city. Apples to oranges.

Oklahoma City I don't really know much about. But still American city. Minneapolis and Denver are also American and as you mention, much larger. It's like comparing Edmonton to Vancouver or Toronto. Unrealistic. Minneapolis and Denver have more people to support urban developments and a larger talent pool to draw from.

EDIT: Note: It's not that a comparison to Hamilton or Denver or Quebec City shouldn't be made and what works there can work in Edmonton sometimes, it's just that Calgary is very best city to compare Edmonton to because of how similar it is. You may find comparisons to Calgary annoying, but maybe there's a reason it's compared to so much. 95%+ of what works in Calgary could work in Edmonton. I find it strange how Vancouver is a city of comparison almost as much as Calgary, but people don't seem to have such emotion against the comparison as with Calgary comparisons.

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It's a new name. Historically it's been known as Boyle Street, but I'm presuming its negative connotations prompted the name change.
for many years the overall area east of 97th street was better know and identified - including in many city of edmonton documents - as jasper east...
     
     
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Some absolute shit got built in Calgary when their Condo market was first developing (Point Of View buildings anyone???) that are far uglier than anything built in this city over the last ten years.
Not to be a wang or anything, but POV was done by a developer with Edmonton roots. Just sayin...
     
     
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That's why I'd take a 1970s concrete block in Oliver with a river view and gut it/reno it. Most other options suck if you are looking to spend sub $400k
That's exactly what I did when I bought my condo just off 17th in Calgary back in '02. Come to think of it, at the time there were very few options in good buildings too, and anything new was amazingly expensive and all stucco & punched SO yes I guess we are behind the curve. But I've come to expect that... trends and such always seem to travel the same route.

One of my favorite cities our size is Milwaukee, and is very much an "Edmonton" story as well. I have seen a vast rejuvenation in that city in the 12 years I have been going there. I just wish we had their history
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Old Posted Mar 8, 2012, 1:24 AM
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I'm rather content....



Sure better units are available in To, Calgary and Vancouver...but try finding anything close to this in Ottawa or winnipeg.

Our condo market is developing and every cycle brings better product.

Some absolute shit got built in Calgary when their Condo market was first developing (Point Of View buildings anyone???) that are far uglier than anything built in this city over the last ten years.
Yup yip and yes sir. Love your unit other than bedroom door location. Me thinks some of these critics have little real knowledge of some of these buildings.
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Being an objective critic does entail knowledge of many factors. But at the end of the day its a persons taste of what they like.

For me its

1#Pearl
2# Lessard
3# Uptown

P.s I do like his appt. Needs bigger tv though
     
     
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External aesthetics are equally important as the internal. Visitors and prospective transplants don't get to see the inside of these buildings all they get to see is the exterior......and they base their perception of the city on that.
     
     
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Icon has one bad side. From 104st they are very nice looking
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Everyone has their opinions and is free to express them.......on my worst day...or best....depending on how you look at it, I would never ever say that Icon's are very nice looking. There is a hell of a lot more wrong with them than just one side without punched windows.
     
     
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Far from perfect, but from 104st they look good, sorry, they do


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Read this classic joke...

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Bill Gates suddenly dies and finds himself face to face with God. God stood over Bill Gates and said, "Well Bill, I'm really confused on this one. It's a tough decision; I'm not sure whether to send you to Heaven or Hell. After all, you helped society enormously by putting a computer in almost every home in America, yet you also created that ghastly Windows '95 among other indiscretions. I believe I'll do something I've never done before; I'll let you decide where you want to go."

Bill pushed up his glasses, looked up at God and replied, "Could you briefly explain the difference between the two?" Looking slightly puzzled, God said, "Better yet, why don't I let you visit both places briefly, then you can make your decision. Which do you choose to see first, Heaven or Hell?"

Bill played with his pocket protector for a moment, then looked back at God and said, "I think I'll try Hell first." So, with a flash of lightning and a cloud of smoke, Bill Gates went to Hell.

When he materialized in Hell, Bill looked around. It was a beautiful and clean place, a bit warm, with sandy beaches and tall mountains, clear skies, pristine water, and beautiful women frolicking about. A smile came across Bill's face as he took in a deep breath of the clean air. "This is great," he thought, "if this is Hell, I can't wait to see heaven."

Within seconds of his thought, another flash of lightning and a cloud of smoke appeared, and Bill was off to Heaven. Heaven was a place high above the clouds, where angels were drifting about playing their harps and singing in a beautiful chorus. It was a very nice place, Bill thought, but not as enticing as Hell.

Bill looked up, cupped his hands around his mouth and yelled for God and Bill Gates was sent to Hell for eternity.

Time passed, and God decided to check on the late billionaire to see how he was progressing in Hell. When he got there, he found Bill Gates shackled to a wall in a dark cave amid bone thin men and tongues of fire, being burned and tortured by demons.

"So, how is everything going?" God asked.

Bill responded with a crackling voice filled with anguish and disappointment, "This is awful! It's nothing like the Hell I visited the first time!! I can't believe this is happening! What happened to the other place....with the beaches and the mountains and the beautiful women?

"That was the demo," replied God.
...and replace "demo" with "architectural rendering"
     
     
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...I would never ever say that Icon's are very nice looking. There is a hell of a lot more wrong with them than just one side without punched windows.
Agreed. Icon's piss me off. 1/4 decent 3/4 not so much. Podium is ok.
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City wants public views on bridge waterfall
Great Divide needs costly redesign to meet environmental concerns

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Thursday, March 08, 2012

The fate of the Great Divide Waterfall could depend on the views of Edmontonians.

The waterfall - the High Level Bridge water feature that was a staple of summertime long weekends and special events in the 1980s, 1990s and most of the 2000s - has not been turned on since 2009. That's when the city stopped operating it after a letter from the federal government raised concerns about the environmental impact of the chlorine-treated water on life in the North Saskatchewan River...

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Future cloudy for century-old Hub Cigar and Newsstand
New owner sought for landmark

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Thursday, March 08, 2012

The future is uncertain for Hub Cigar and Newsstand, an Edmonton institution for more than a century.

The independent newsstand and tobacconist, the oldest in Western Canada, has been closed for about two months. Customers have arrived to find the doors padlocked, windows covered in brown paper and signs reading, "Store Under Renovation/Opening Soon." In-side Britons, the attached British import shop, candy-filled jars still line some shelves, while other have been cleared and left askew...

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Old Posted Mar 8, 2012, 2:55 PM
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Awesome living room and view, SHOFEAR!
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Needs bigger tv though
My parents just bought one of those new 70"....its ridiculous.


Thanks for all the compliments guys.
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