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Old Posted Feb 22, 2012, 11:25 PM
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Here is the proposal for the Telephone building, as seen on CBC.


Source: http://www.cbc.ca/hereandnownl/

Looks quite good.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2012, 11:55 PM
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Wow... the rendering looks great! How exciting, finally something will be done with this eyesore. I think that part of Duckworth will look very nice once this development is completed.
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It looks like they've tried to make it look like two separate buildings with the use of two different materials on either end.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Photos have been uploaded to CBCs story on the project.







http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundla.../02/22/nl-duckworth-development-223.html
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Was there any talk about putting street-level retail in this building? It would be great to have some mixed-use there.
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Was there any talk about putting street-level retail in this building? It would be great to have some mixed-use there.
Yes.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2012, 9:51 PM
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This plan looks very good, by adding the large section to the west and the extra floors, they are probably doubling the size of the building. I think the previous proposal was to tear down the 7 story section and rebuild it. The modern addition really compliments the old section.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2012, 10:35 PM
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This plan looks very good, by adding the large section to the west and the extra floors, they are probably doubling the size of the building. I think the previous proposal was to tear down the 7 story section and rebuild it. The modern addition really compliments the old section.
I absolutely love it! i honestly wouldnt mind living in it myself.
this will be like 10-11 floors from the lower elevations
I really like the design of it too it looks very urban and would fit in perfectly in downtown
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 1:17 AM
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Just back from an afternoon downtown, and things at 351 are starting to look "up", ie. construction of exterior walls have begun. So far, what appears to be one floor of the wall furthest towards the statoil building is near completed, with work beginning on the others. I didn't get to see what was happening at the Fortis site, but I feel like they may be moving fast on that project.
I caught a glimpse of the Fortis site today and was surprised at the progress there. I would guess it's only slightly behind 351 Water.

Also noticed geotechnical guys were drilling in the parking lot just west of the convention centre parking garage. VERY early sign of activity related to the convention centre expansion??
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 1:37 PM
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It'd be great if we could get some status pics of the projects uploaded on the forum. If I'm down there over the next few days I'll snap some on my phone.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 5:20 PM
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I'll try as well statbass. I drive through downtown at least a couple times a day.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2012, 8:33 PM
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The new Newtel proposal is MUCH nicer than the old MIX proposal from a year ago.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 3:17 PM
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Article in the Telegram today. Some people are never happy! Now 5 stories is too tall.

Concerns raised over proposed development
Downtown homeowner Rhonda Hayward is worried a development centred on the old East End Fire Station and former Crazy horse strip bar will affect her property on Wood Street. — Photo by Joe Gibbons/The Telegram
Published on February 25, 2012

Published on February 25, 2012
Dave Bartlett
Proponent working with neighbours to address concerns

Some residents of Wood Street, near the east end of Duckworth Street, have concerns about a plan to build a five-storey building adjacent to their backyards.

It’s part of a two-building project proposed by Republic Properties.

The company wants to build a five-storey hotel on the site of the former Crazy Horse bar, with another five-storey building — a two-storey parking garage to serve both buildings topped with three floors of condominiums — across the street at the site of the former East End Fire Station.

It’s the later site that has Rhonda Hayward and Jeff Marshall concerned.

Hayward said she’s not against development.

“When I first heard there was going to be a condo (built) there, I was happy about it until I saw the plans,” she told The Telegram this week. “I’m happy to see something going there. The building that’s there now is not attractive, so I was looking forward to the development, until I saw the size.”

Hayward said when she viewed the proposed design she “had to grab on to the table because I thought I was going to fall, I was that upset.”

She said the proposed building is simply too large for the area.

“Everyone is very concerned about how big it is” she said. “It’s almost like everyone is speechless when they look at (the drawings.) We always pictured something there, but just not of that scale.”

Hayward worries she’ll lose the privacy of her backyard as plans show a number of decks for the condos will overlook her home.

She also said she has concerns about traffic and traffic sightlines at the corner of Duckworth and Ordinance Streets and the noise from construction which could go on for a year and a half.

Marshall’s biggest concern is access to his backyard through a gate.

Because of the layout of his home, he needs access through the back to move anything large in or out of his house.

Marshall said he wouldn’t even need access all the time, but he wants to work out an agreement with Republic so he could use it from time to time.

“I do have concerns with privacy and light and things like that, but personally I see the positive aspects of this development as well. I do like that it’s residential as opposed to office space,” Marshall continued.

A few weeks ago, Marshall, Hayward and Neal De Florio of Republic Properties met to try to work out a compromise.

Marshall said he was impressed with how receptive the company seemed to be during the two hour meeting.

“No resolution has been reached (yet),” said Marshall. “How much they end up acting on (our concerns) remains to be seen. But I’ve got nothing bad to say ... they definitely exceeded my expectations for listening to our concerns.”

He said he understands some type of compromises may have to be made on the part of the neighbourhood.

“As long as I’m convinced that (Republic) is legitimately taking concerns seriously and trying their best to incorporate (a) design that will keep everyone happy,” continued Marshall.

“We definitely want to work with the neighbours,” said De Florio when contacted by The Telegram. “We designed the buildings ... to fit in with the environment and the neighbourhood.”

De Florio said because both sites are fairly small, Republic does have to build up.

But he said the proposed hotel will only be three metres higher than allowed — 18 metres as opposed to 15 — which is similar to what the city granted for other recent developments downtown, including at the former CBC Radio Building.

And he said the building that will abut Haywood’s and Marshall’s homes won’t be any taller than the home that sits behind the East End Fire Station on Ordinance Street.

“We’re not going to be any higher than that roof line,” said De Florio.

He also noted that building will only be 12 meres tall from the streets grade which falls under the height restriction. However the land will have to be rezoned from residential downtown to apartment downtown to allow for the development.

The company is preparing a land use assessment report which will be reviewed by city staff before the project is sent to a public meeting.

But Coun. Tom Hann, the chairman of the city’s planing committee, already likes the proposal.

“I think it’s a great project, simply because it’s a refurbishment of that whole area of the east end (of downtown),” he told The Telegram. “It is a restoration of an area ... that needs a lot of attention.”

Hann also maintains the height should not be an issue.

He added the city’s traffic engineer has already studied the project and the heritage committee has also given a green light to the design.



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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 4:52 PM
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Just more NIMBY'ism on a part of downtown residents. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this proposal, and if it gets rejected because of those concerns, then there's no hope left for the city.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 4:54 PM
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 5:12 PM
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^^ Looks absolutely great!!! Duckworth will be so much denser (and European feeling) with this development and the telephone building and the mariott extension .. will be a great place to be
The city has such a different feel than other canadian cities or even Halifax

This is what the new proposals will be like going down duckworth st.:




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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 6:02 PM
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Just more NIMBY'ism on a part of downtown residents. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this proposal, and if it gets rejected because of those concerns, then there's no hope left for the city.
As if living so close to the Crazy Horse all these years added to her property value! If anything, I'd say this development would only help property values in the area. After reading the article, I understand Marshall's concern with accessing his backyard, but I think Hayward's concerns are purely NIMBYism. It only goes to show that no matter how much work and comprise go into these developments, it will never satisfy everybody. Councillors like this design, the Heritage Committee likes the design; this development will only add to revitalizing and improving the heritage aspect of the downtown and add much needed density. I think this one is a winner
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2012, 7:42 PM
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I've always liked walking up and down Duckworth Street way more than Water Street. There are some truly nice, unique, beautiful buildings on that street, whereas Water Street is more or less the same, and it's almost insulting to see paint over some of those old brick buildings.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2012, 9:57 PM
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Newtel Proposal.

1. I really love the design of this proposal!. It's kind of has a mixture of [1920's] art-deco,and modern up to date glass. I think it is just the kind of character St.John's needs

2. It's 250% better than what is there rotting now.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2012, 10:09 PM
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1. I really love the design of this proposal!. It's kind of has a mixture of [1920's] art-deco,and modern up to date glass. I think it is just the kind of character St.John's needs

2. It's 250% better than what is there rotting now.
I completely agree with you, as l'm sure many who post on this forum agree with you as well.
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