Census 2011 Results:

[feepa]

Bear in mind the 2011 post-censal population estimates that are due later this spring will be a more accurate reflection of where our population is at. It will probably be significantly ovr 1.2 million. The official census numbers are usually lower. Check out the 2010 population estimate for the Edmonton CMA on the Statscan web site. It's 1.176 million from a year before the census. The 2011 Census count is 1.159 million.

[feepa]

Also, the the municipality of Edmonton (11.2%) grew faster than the municipality of Calgary (10.9%).

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...Table-Tableau.cfm?LANG=Eng&T=301&S=3&O=D

[vid]

Originally Posted by Razor

Thanks Lake of the Nations!..This is the list I was going by...Up until today I thought this was set in stone until it gets corrected by the government, and the federal government only, but I guess I was wrong. It's more ambiguous than I thought it was.

Population is constantly changing. It is never set in stone. These just happen to be the numbers that are most easy to compare with the approximately 25,000 other statistical divisions within the country. Statistics Canada is the preeminent statistical agency in this country, so its statistics take precedence, and the census is a large undertaking, so its statistics offer the most information.

Originally Posted by Phil McAvity

Might I remind you of a conversation we had on flickr quite a while back where I, in spite of repeated attempts, could not get through to you?

When did we ever have a conversation on Flickr?

Originally Posted by toaster

This is false. Students can declare where they want to to be counted.

If they feel like they'll permanently stay where they are studying, they may wish to be counted there, or vise versa. If they do decide to be counted at "home", they must still complete the Census for their apartment or residence as a special person, but must fill in a "0" where it asks for number of residents.

It's still a lot more in-depth than a municipal censuses "how many people live here regardless of how long they have lived here or plan to live here" statistic.

Originally Posted by dennis1

A lot of it is ex hamiltonians. There is a reason for that. There are people in St Kitts and Oakville who also watch CHCH as well, I know pres of the TiCats lives in Oakville. To be honest, I like the GTHA designation the province came up with without SC because it alliviates all my concerns, regardless of what the feds say.

The GTHA isn't a statistical unit, it is a planning region. The province is fully within its right to create them. Many exist. Manitoba's Capital Region (Winnipeg) has almost a million people. So does Quebec's National Capital Region, centred on Quebec City. GVRD is another provincial creation similar to the GTA or GTHA. None of these regions are directly comparable for statistical analysis because all of them use different criteria of inclusion and exclusion.

Statistics Canada should introduce a statistical unit comparable to the Consolidated Statistical Areas (CSAs) of the US. I don't know why it hasn't. With a bit of investigation, though, we can create our own. Statistics Canada provides us with all of the information to do so. It is the only agency that does.

[davidivivid]

Greek Exodus: Workers Flee to Canada and Australia

Forget austerity. Thousands of Greeks, hung out to dry by the EU’s bailout requirements, are fleeing in record numbers—as far away as Canada and Australia. Barbie Latza Nadeau reports.

Lambrousi Harikleia reached her breaking point on Wednesday when her boss at the Greek Housing Authority in Athens announced that, thanks to the Greek government’s far-reaching austerity measures, both she and her husband would be losing their jobs. Harikleia and her husband, who have a disabled child, climbed out the window of their office building and threatened to jump to their deaths. “At least if we are dead someone will have to take care of our child,” she can be heard saying from her dangerous perch. After over five hours on the ledge, police were able to coax her to safety, but she still won’t be getting her job back.


Harikleia is one of thousands of increasingly desperate Greeks who cannot see a future under the current Greek austerity measures. The government has squandered its savings and is mired in a debt crisis that is no longer sustainable without help from the EU—which is clamoring for drastic cuts. But it is everyday Greek citizens who say they are paying the highest price for the government’s mishandling of its assets. Youth unemployment has climbed to just under 50 percent, and the future looks bleak. Austerity measures, which have included stinging cuts in wages, pensions and public sector jobs, are being demanded by the EU as part of a massive bailout deal that will or won’t happen in March. If the bailout fails, Greece will default on its loans and face expulsion from the euro, the EU’s common monetary currency.

[...]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/16/greek-exodus-workers-flee-to-canada-australia.html

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by feepa

Bear in mind the 2011 post-censal population estimates that are due later this spring will be a more accurate reflection of where our population is at. It will probably be significantly ovr 1.2 million. The official census numbers are usually lower. Check out the 2010 population estimate for the Edmonton CMA on the Statscan web site. It's 1.176 million from a year before the census. The 2011 Census count is 1.159 million.

Calgary's counts were also lower than the estimates. In the Statscan estimates Calgary still grew at a faster rate, by roughly the same difference as the census results.

In the statscan estimations 2006-2010

Calgary 7.08%
Edmonton 6.29%

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

Originally Posted by feepa

Also, the the municipality of Edmonton (11.2%) grew faster than the municipality of Calgary (10.9%).

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...Table-Tableau.cfm?LANG=Eng&T=301&S=3&O=D

This doesn't really mean anything. Statscan is only reusing results from the municipal's own census, which aren't as accurate, and also taken at different time periods. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

[Rico Rommheim]

Originally Posted by davidivivid

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/16/greek-exodus-workers-flee-to-canada-australia.html

Cool! Send some more over to Montreal!

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by davidivivid

[Forget austerity. Thousands of Greeks, hung out to dry by the EU’s bailout requirements, are fleeing in record numbers—as far away as Canada and Australia. Barbie Latza Nadeau reports.

That reporter sure has an interesting name.

[eemy]

So I received a response from Statistics Canada re: Lethbridge's status as a CA. Apparently the previous census results are used to determine whether it is a CMA. Since it did not yet have >100k people in the 2006 census, it remains a CA until the next census at which time it will be promoted.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is also why certain CMAs have not yet expanded to include specific adjacent areas (Okotoks being the prime example).

[Tri-City Guy]

Originally Posted by Tibor420

Im shocked that Kitchener is the 4th densest CMA in Canada... i live here... nothings dense except a lot of the people....

I dont get why all of Waterloo Region isnt in its CMA... the CMA is tiny. It would still be tiny if we added the 2 townships left out hahaha

Kitchener CMA definitely should be enlarged as it doesn't include many suburban areas within the commuter belt. Just compare its population and size with that of London and you'll understand what I mean. Its akin to Ottawa constantly expanding its boundaries so that Calgary could never catch up.

[eemy]

Yeah, it's been well established that Statistics Canada has a cohort within it conspiring to bring Calgary and Kitchener down. They've taken over the Boundaries Division to ensure that Ottawa is always bigger than Calgary. (Cause they live there, right?)

More seriously, I recommend that you read the existing thread. You don't even have to read that far back because the issue of CMA boundaries has been covered ad nauseum. Suffice to say that there is a methodology and they aren't picking on Calgary or Kitchener or any other place in Canada.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by Tri-City Guy

Kitchener CMA definitely should be enlarged as it doesn't include many suburban areas within the commuter belt. Just compare its population and size with that of London and you'll understand what I mean. Its akin to Ottawa constantly expanding its boundaries so that Calgary could never catch up.

Statscan does have a specific formula for adding areas to CMAs. Although Foothills MD is right next to Calgary and appears that it should be added, it doesn't quite meet the criteria. It'll be added sometime, likely by the next census.

[someone123]

2011 population estimates are now available: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

It remains odd how inconsistent the differences between 2011 census results and 2011 population estimates are. For example, Winnipeg has a 2011 population estimate of 762.8 and a census count of 730,018 (-4%). Sherbrooke, on the other hand, has a 2011 population estimate of 199.9 and a census count of 201,890 (+1%).

In the past the average undercount was around 3% but I am not sure that there were such differences between cities. Statistics Canada suggests that the estimates are likely to be more correct than census counts (I wonder what percentage of journalists writing about the census results have read the methodology page?), but this is still interesting.

[toaster]

Originally Posted by vid

It's still a lot more in-depth than a municipal censuses "how many people live here regardless of how long they have lived here or plan to live here" statistic.

But again, the students have a choice of where to declare, so you can't just say Thunder Bay's numbers are lower than reality because all college and University students were not counted. They may well have been. As a current Masters student myself in Ottawa, I declared to be counted at home, mostly because I felt they could benefit more. But again, I had the choice.

[eemy]

My understanding is that the undercount can actually vary quite significantly from city to city; however, it typically doesn't vary much from year to year for an individual city. That means that the census results are a fairly reliable indication of changes within a city, but aren't as useful for comparisons between cities (in terms of overall population anyway).

[someone123]

Originally Posted by jeremy_haak

My understanding is that the undercount can actually vary quite significantly from city to city; however, it typically doesn't vary much from year to year for an individual city. That means that the census results are a fairly reliable indication of changes within a city, but aren't as useful for comparisons between cities (in terms of overall population anyway).

For a number of cities the census growth rate was significantly lower than the estimated population growth rates have been.

In Winnipeg the change for the past 3 years alone was over 4.3% but the census growth rate given was 5.1%. In Halifax the estimates have increased by 3.9% in three years but the census growth rate was 4.7%. I do not have the estimates for 2006-2007 and 2007-2008, but I don't think anything dramatic happened during that period (before they updated I think the 2007-2008 Halifax estimated growth was 1-1.3%).

Saint John, NB experienced a 1.8% increase in estimated population from 2008-2011 but the census reported 4.4%.

Either the census results are inconsistent from period to period or the estimates are inconsistent and will have to be revised.

[vid]

Thunder Bay is estimated to have 127,100, up by 300 over the past year, but the census only counted 121,600, a 4.5% difference.

[isaidso]

Thunder Bay has lots of potential. Great layout, interesting topography, at the head of Lake Superior, a port, good airport, biggest city around, etc. It's rather run down, but that's nothing a strong economy can't fix. Does Thunder Bay act as a magnet for people in northwest Ontario, or do they just go to Winnipeg or Toronto?

[vid]

Native people go to Thunder Bay. Non-Native people go to Calgary. I think we might actually receive more people from Toronto than Toronto does from us these days, because I know of quite a few people from there but of very few people that have moved there.

Most of the people coming from Toronto are actually from other places in the world and have only come here by way of Toronto. They're mostly in the high tech medical sector that is growing in this city.

[q12]

A few interesting notes with the 2011 numbers:

Halifax jumped St. Catherines to take 12th place and Winnipeg jumped past Quebec for 7th. It's also a tight race for 10th place between Kitchener and London as they approach 500,000.

1 Toronto 5,838,800
2 Montreal 3,908,700
3 Vancouver 2,419,700
4 Calgary 1,265,100
5 Ottawa 1,258,900
6 Edmonton 1,196,300
7 Winnipeg 762,800
8 Quebec 761,700
9 Hamilton 750,200
10 Kitchener–Cambridge–Waterloo 498,500
11 London 496,900
12 Halifax 408,200
13 St. Catharines–Niagara 405,300

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo05a-eng.htm

[bkd]

In addition to Edmonton being a 1.2M metro, which was what most Edmontonians already had expected, Calgary jumps Ottawa as well.