YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 202

deasine · #**4021** Posted **Feb 4, 2012, 12:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by ACT7

I think their focus will be YYC and YYZ mainly. In other words, their two existing hubs. Doesn't mean YVR will be left out of the picture completely of course. It's just that the need for serious feeder traffic through YVR will not be addressed with WJ. That may change though if WJ can secure more partnerships and interline agreements.

If WS were to have some trans-pacific routes, I can see them operate some routes from YYC/YYZ via YVR to pick up passengers (a la AC). Perhaps they can also leverage Japan and Canada's bilateral fifth freedom agreements via Japanese airports outside of NRT/HND.

Johnny Aussie · #**4022** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 9:53 AM**

Just returned from yet another trip around Australia and just read on airlineroute.net...
As suspected, CZ increasing YVR 18 June to 5 weekly.

trofirhen · #**4023** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 10:42 AM**

I'd love to see one or two more trans-Atlantic routes appear. No chance of that, with any airline, I am sure.

LeftCoaster · #**4024** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 3:00 PM**

^ Get your economy out of the crapper and maybe there will be some impetus, but until then I wouldn't hope for much growth there.

Bigtime · #**4025** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 3:11 PM**

Dear YVR,

Thanks for the crappy weather on Saturday, as we got to enjoy Air China diverting here as a result.

Love,

YYC spotters

Korea and China by BigtimeAa, on Flickr

twoNeurons · #**4026** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

Dear YVR,

Thanks for the crappy weather on Saturday, as we got to enjoy Air China diverting here as a result.

Love,

YYC spotters

Wha?!? Was the weather bad? It was sunny and clear on Saturday in Vancouver!

twoNeurons · #**4027** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

If WS were to have some trans-pacific routes, I can see them operate some routes from YYC/YYZ via YVR to pick up passengers (a la AC). Perhaps they can also leverage Japan and Canada's bilateral fifth freedom agreements via Japanese airports outside of NRT/HND.

How about YVR - KIX (Osaka)? << grin >>

Bigtime · #**4028** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Wha?!? Was the weather bad? It was sunny and clear on Saturday in Vancouver!

Saturday morning perhaps? That is the reason given for Air China diverting here, stayed on the ground for a couple of hours and departed back to YVR around 2:30 or so.

teriyaki · #**4029** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Wha?!? Was the weather bad? It was sunny and clear on Saturday in Vancouver!

In Richmond, and probably YVR the fog was extremely thick in the morning.

trofirhen · #**4030** Posted **Feb 6, 2012, 7:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I'd love to see one or two more trans-Atlantic routes appear. No chance of that, with any airline, I am sure.

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

^ Get your economy out of the crapper and maybe there will be some impetus, but until then I wouldn't hope for much growth there.

Very, very true. Just how to get the economy going again is a toughie, looking at all the plants and factories that are relocating to Asia, shutting down factories, and of course, taking jobs with them.

p78hub · #**4031** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

In Richmond, and probably YVR the fog was extremely thick in the morning.

Actually, it was pretty foggy for most of Saturday around the entire city. The fog lifted some time early Sunday. There were other flights that were diverted to Calgary because of the fog.

Jebby · #**4032** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 2:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Very, very true. Just how to get the economy going again is a toughie, looking at all the plants and factories that are relocating to Asia, shutting down factories, and of course, taking jobs with them.

Lowering corporate taxes would bring some jobs back here, also scrapping is much of the EU regulatory burden imposed by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in Bruxelles.

quobobo · #**4033** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 4:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

How about YVR - KIX (Osaka)? << grin >>

Unfortunately I doubt that's going to happen. I flew YVR - Narita in November and it was maybe half full both ways - if there isn't much of a market for that route anymore, I doubt there's one for Osaka. It's a shame, I miss the old flights to KIX as it's a much nicer airport.

usog · #**4034** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 6:57 AM**

Is YVR-Asia really seasonal or something? I only fly over there in the Summer/Winter but the flights are always packed when I do.

deasine · #**4035** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 7:21 AM**

YVR-HKG is always packed, even during low season.

mezzanine · #**4036** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 7:22 AM**

I flew JAL last dec 2010 and it was pretty full.

Hopefully, JAL will pick up more business year-round now that they code-share with westjet. JAL's website routes EDM, CGY, winnipeg and some of TO thru vancouver. with the terminal improvements making transfers easier, this would be even stronger.

Hot Rod · #**4037** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 8:27 AM**

that is the key, increase Vancouver's catchment!

ACT7 · #**4038** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 5:39 PM**

What's interesting is that going back to 2000, YVR's international traffic growth has been roughly .8% per year on average. Transborder has been a mere .19% per year on average. In other words international pax traffic is 9.3% higher as of the end of 2011 compared to 2000 and transborder is only 2.2% higher. Something has happened at YVR.

Some of that can be explained away from 9/11, and economic slowdown in 2008-2009 but some of the in-between years are difficult to explain.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Facts_and_Stats/December_2011_Passenger.sflb.ashx

For example, what happened between 2005 and 2006? The Olympics had no effect whatsoever on pax growth. Other than making the airport look pretty, the airport authority doesn't seem to be grasping the dwindling growth. Might be time for a shake-up at YVR.

Zassk · #**4039** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 6:13 PM**

According to the various stats at http://www.bts.gov/xml/air_traffic/src/datadisp.xml, air traffic in general has been basically flat since 2002. It would seem that YVR has slightly beat the overall trend. I'm not sure that there is anything in particular that needs explaining. For example, what are you referring to in 2005-06? YVR shows an incremental growth in those years just like every other recent year.

trofirhen · #**4040** Posted **Feb 7, 2012, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by ACT7

What's interesting is that going back to 2000, YVR's international traffic growth has been roughly .8% per year on average. Transborder has been a mere .19% per year on average. In other words international pax traffic is 9.3% higher as of the end of 2011 compared to 2000 and transborder is only 2.2% higher. Something has happened at YVR.

Some of that can be explained away from 9/11, and economic slowdown in 2008-2009 but some of the in-between years are difficult to explain.

http://www.yvr.ca/Libraries/Facts_and_Stats/December_2011_Passenger.sflb.ashx

For example, what happened between 2005 and 2006? The Olympics had no effect whatsoever on pax growth. Other than making the airport look pretty, the airport authority doesn't seem to be grasping the dwindling growth. Might be time for a shake-up at YVR.

Totally agreed, esp when you consider that Brisbane's traffic equals ours, and Oslo, a city half the size or less has more pax than we do.

My question to you,and anyone else is, given that the airport authority doesn't seem to be grasping the dwindling growth, what form would this "shake up" take? A restructuring of personnel? Or something else?