The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 334

cdnguys · #**6661** Posted **Jan 17, 2012, 8:30 PM**

The second refinery IS NOT HAPPENING folks so please do not resurrect that rumour again now that we see first hand how rumors can be damaging.

JHikka · #**6662** Posted **Jan 17, 2012, 8:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by JRocca

Greg
You are not passing on "information". You passed on unfounded,damaging rumours and when presented by the facts by a knowledgeable person, you still persist on spreading rumours.
Sorry to disappoint you but the reason some units are unfinished is because that's how we staged the construction.
We intentionally finished floors 2-6 first and left the penthouse, floor one and the townhouses until last to allow some of the buyers of floors 2-6 to move in early.
This is supposed to be a "forum"-that's a place for the exchange of idea and information that have some connection to reality and truth. You should join the forum.You will find that doing a little bit of research before you pass on a rumour is more fun, enjoyable ans satisfying than wasting your time and energy on rumours.

I do appreciate you being online and defending yourself, I certainly can't be negative towards that. Whether the rumours were true or not, i'm glad the condos are (nearly?) finished and opening. They really improve that end of Water street.

Wolkenkratzerliebhab · #**6663** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 12:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by cdnguys

The second refinery IS NOT HAPPENING folks so please do not resurrect that rumour again now that we see first hand how rumors can be damaging.

No one that I know said it was coming, but rather that there have been talks and rumors of it coming. To suggest that all rumors can end up being damaging is somehow silly. It's one thing to say that you heard an unconfirmed RUMOR, and it's another thing to criticized someone or something based simply only on a rumor without anything to back it up.

There have been news that one 'possibility' was to have western gas shipped in a new pipeline to the Saint John refinery, and I don't know how that is hurting anyone, rather it's simply a news item. After all, if it is financially possible to build a $10 billion dollar pipe line from the same western sources to Texas, then simply adding a 200 mile short line from from Montreal to SJ would also be even more financially viable, making the 'rumor' of a second refinery even more possible, but still a rumor!

Saying that the "second refinery IS NOT HAPPENING" is nothing but a rumor itself, unless you have the facts to prove otherwise, right?

cdnguys · #**6664** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 12:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

No one that I know said it was coming, but rather that there have been talks and rumors of it coming. To suggest that all rumors can end up being damaging is somehow silly. It's one thing to say that you heard an unconfirmed RUMOR, and it's another thing to criticized someone or something based simply only on a rumor without anything to back it up.

There have been news that one 'possibility' was to have western gas shipped in a new pipeline to the Saint John refinery, and I don't know how that is hurting anyone, rather it's simply a news item. After all, if it is financially possible to build a $10 billion dollar pipe line from the same western sources to Texas, then simply adding a 200 mile short line from from Montreal to SJ would also be even more financially viable, making the 'rumor' of a second refinery even more possible, but still a rumor!

Saying that the "second refinery IS NOT HAPPENING" is nothing but a rumor itself, unless you have the facts to prove otherwise, right?

I can assure you the second refinery is dead. I work in the energy sector and know this stuff. Ask Irving themselves. They will tell you that and they along with BP determined it is not feasible and will never be feasible based on a multimillion dollar study

cdnguys · #**6665** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 12:37 AM**

Statscan releases 2010 census population counts on February 8th.

Our estimate is Saint John increased in population by approx. 3000 to 71,500 city proper since 2006 and the metro population increased to approx. 127,500. Moncton we estimate at 67,000 city proper and 138,000 metro. Be interesting to see the results.

GUB · #**6666** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

No one that I know said it was coming, but rather that there have been talks and rumors of it coming. To suggest that all rumors can end up being damaging is somehow silly. It's one thing to say that you heard an unconfirmed RUMOR, and it's another thing to criticized someone or something based simply only on a rumor without anything to back it up.

There have been news that one 'possibility' was to have western gas shipped in a new pipeline to the Saint John refinery, and I don't know how that is hurting anyone, rather it's simply a news item. After all, if it is financially possible to build a $10 billion dollar pipe line from the same western sources to Texas, then simply adding a 200 mile short line from from Montreal to SJ would also be even more financially viable, making the 'rumor' of a second refinery even more possible, but still a rumor!

Saying that the "second refinery IS NOT HAPPENING" is nothing but a rumor itself, unless you have the facts to prove otherwise, right?

I agree.
Irving is a huge company (obviously) and there will always be rumours surrounding any project(s), they are involved in whether true or not.
I like how Mr. Rocca's building is looking---great addition for the uptown.

Wolkenkratzerliebhab · #**6667** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 2:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by cdnguys

I can assure you the second refinery is dead. I work in the energy sector and know this stuff. Ask Irving themselves. They will tell you that and they along with BP determined it is not feasible and will never be feasible based on a multimillion dollar study

Okey Dokey!

JHikka · #**6668** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by cdnguys

Statscan releases 2010 census population counts on February 8th.

Our estimate is Saint John increased in population by approx. 3000 to 71,500 city proper since 2006 and the metro population increased to approx. 127,500.

Good news. Unless my math is wrong, Saint John goes up by 3,000 and the Valley/Grand Bay go up by 2,000?

In contrast, Moncton up by 3,000 and Dieppe/Riverview up by 6,000?

DoyleRulez · #**6669** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 6:34 AM**

This is a question for JROCCA:

When is the expectation for shovels to hit the dirt and construction to start on the second half of the harbourfront residences project?

Hopefully this spring.

Are you expecting a shorter timeline now that you have been run through the ringers on the first portion?

The second Cruise Terminal will certainly be a nice addition to this end of water street as well. It must be comforting for the unit owners to know , at least this portion of their views will never be obstructed.

Ire Narissis · #**6670** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by DoyleRulez

The second Cruise Terminal will certainly be a nice addition to this end of water street as well. It must be comforting for the unit owners to know , at least this portion of their views will never be obstructed.

I, for one, am just happy to see those hideous blue sheds gone. Regardless of any criticisms about the design of the cruise terminals, no one can deny that they're a monumental improvement on what was previously there.

I was in High School at SJHS from 2000-2004 and got sick of looking at the dilapidated things pretty damn quickly.

JRocca · #**6671** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by GUB

I agree.
Irving is a huge company (obviously) and there will always be rumours surrounding any project(s), they are involved in whether true or not.
I like how Mr. Rocca's building is looking---great addition for the uptown.

All rumours are not created equal and all rumours don't have the same effect on us.
Passing on a rumour or speculating about a 2nd refinary has no impact on Irving Oil or the public any more than speculating whether Wal-Mart will open a store in Grand Bay will impact 3rd parties decisions.

But other rumours-such as saying company "X" is thinking of buying RIM will impact 3rd parties decisions. We have seen how such rumours move the stock market resulting in some people losing a lot of money if the rumour turns out to be false.

Spreading a rumour that a building like Harbourfront has structural problems can result in millions of dollars in losses and reputations tarnished.The reputation of the structural engineer is questioned and he would sue you; potential buyers would stop buying and the developer would sue you;existing buyers would want proof that the building is safe so the developer would need to spend money on a cosultant to prove otherwise;banks would stop further lending so contractors would stop working and buyers would lose their financing and would be faced with hgher costs to refinance later. This kind of a rumour can be devastating to a lot of people including the persons spreading the rumour.

We need to be mindful of the power of social media.Information is global and available instanteneous.Decision makers-be they Mortgage lenders or buyers-have access to what we post.So, we need to always ask ourselves what the impact the rumour we're about to post will have on others before we post it to make sure we don't pass on damaging rumours.
More importantly, a forum that relies more on passing on information-truthful or otherwise-rather than on debating ideas and policies will eventually lose it's relevance because information,as opposed to ideas, is easily obtainable from a million other sources.So, why post here is the primary vvalue of the site is the exchange of information that you can get from the newspaper or CBC.

Whaler · #**6672** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 10:08 PM**

It is not hard to believe the rumours about Rocca.
For years they have had issues with most of their buildings in and around Saint John.
Enough with that......

Heard something today that the old Coop store in West Saint John was purchased and will become a "Princess Auto".
What a great location and a super new neighbour for the west side!

Ire Narissis · #**6673** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 10:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whaler

Heard something today that the old Coop store in West Saint John was purchased and will become a "Princess Auto".
What a great location and a super new neighbour for the west side!

If that is true, it will be the happiest day of my father's life. He makes regular pilgrimages to the Moncton location.

mmmatt · #**6674** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by cdnguys

Statscan releases 2010 census population counts on February 8th.

Our estimate is Saint John increased in population by approx. 3000 to 71,500 city proper since 2006 and the metro population increased to approx. 127,500. Moncton we estimate at 67,000 city proper and 138,000 metro. Be interesting to see the results.

That sounds about right to me...that would hopefully push Monctons ER over 200,000...do you work for statscan?

cdnguys · #**6675** Posted **Jan 18, 2012, 11:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by mmmatt

That sounds about right to me...that would hopefully push Monctons ER over 200,000...do you work for statscan?

No I don't. Would like to

CdnEh · #**6676** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 2:31 AM**

...in other (non healthcare/refinery) news, it appears the SuperStore on Rothesay Ave is currently receiving a rather large facelift.

JHikka · #**6677** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by CdnEh

...in other (non healthcare/refinery) news, it appears the SuperStore on Rothesay Ave is currently receiving a rather large facelift.

Welcome to the forum!

It was renovated not too long ago, wasn't it?

mmmatt · #**6678** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by CdnEh

...in other (non healthcare/refinery) news, it appears the SuperStore on Rothesay Ave is currently receiving a rather large facelift.

They have been going through all their stores in the last couple years doing them over in a new "Joe Fresh" inspired look...Orange is now their primary color. Expect a larger clothing section, household section, electronics etc...

CdnEh · #**6679** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 3:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by GregHickman

Welcome to the forum!

It was renovated not too long ago, wasn't it?

I believe the last reno was 2002-2003, when Winners and Bulk Barn moved out and SuperStore took over the whole mall.

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Originally Posted by mmmatt

They have been going through all their stores in the last couple years doing them over in a new "Joe Fresh" inspired look...Orange is now their primary color. Expect a larger clothing section, household section, electronics etc...

Actually, the household and electronics departments both appear to be getting smaller - there is a wall currently going up where the Household department used to be and Electronics has cleared out all of their TVs.

Taeolas · #**6680** Posted **Jan 19, 2012, 3:55 AM**

Yeah, Superstore seems to be dropping their Electronics lines in all the new stores. When the Freddy one was done, the electronics were all but dropped. Ditto for the Nashwak store (not that it had much electronics).

I suspect Woodstock will be redone at somepoint, but they did do a big expansion a year or two back already.