The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[nwalbert]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Sigh, it doesn't take much sometimes for the old "Moncton vs Saint John thing" to rear it's ugly head. That was not my intent.

Sigh, I think you are missing the point. You are the one who brought up and continues to compare Moncton to Saint John. I made a simple comment and didn't even bother with the details. When pushed I noted that the Saint John Regional Hospital is the only Trauma 1 and accredited tertiary trauma centre outside of Halifax.

Clearly you have an issue with that fact but this is not the forum for you to vent that frustration. Speak to the folks at Atlantic Health and Science who made the determinations.

[Wolkenkratzerliebhab]

I lived and worked in Moncton for five or six years and have been a patient there, as well as the George Dumont, and TMH is a fine hospital, no question about it, but I do know for a fact that the physical size of the SJRH more-or-less dwarfs both of Moncton's hospitals. In fact, it is the largest building, private or public, by far in the entire province, and the only one that is around 1,000,000 square feet! I visit three, four or more days per week and it's huge. 12 floors consisting of four towers built on top of a two story based the length of several football fields, and the fact that it recently had a new state-of-the-art $70 million cancer center added would seem to naturally make it the premier hospital for the province, but then again, I'm not a doctor asis MonctonRad, so I can't really say for sure?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

I lived and worked in Moncton for five or six years and have been a patient there, as well as the George Dumont, and TMH is a fine hospital, no question about it, but I do know for a fact that the physical size of the SJRH more-or-less dwarfs both of Moncton's hospitals. In fact, it is the largest building, private or public, by far in the entire province, and the only one that is around 1,000,000 square feet! I visit three, four or more days per week and it's huge. 12 floors consisting of four towers built on top of a two story based the length of several football fields, and the fact that it recently had a new state-of-the-art $70 million cancer center added would seem to naturally make it the premier hospital for the province, but then again, I'm not a doctor asis MonctonRad, so I can't really say for sure?

Actually thre are 8 towers, but not 12 stories of occupied floors. I believe it is 6 with half floors between each for utilities ( I think)

[Wolkenkratzerliebhab]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Actually thre are 8 towers, but not 12 stories of occupied floors. I believe it is 6 with half floors between each for utilities ( I think)

Yes, 5 occupied floors; 5 mechanical floors and two smaller additional mechanical floors. I still think there are only four towers, at least that's all I can count. Comparing the height of the mechanical floors to the occuppied floors, something that can be easily determined by simply walking the stair wells, I would say that they are of the same height.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

I lived and worked in Moncton for five or six years and have been a patient there, as well as the George Dumont, and TMH is a fine hospital, no question about it, but I do know for a fact that the physical size of the SJRH more-or-less dwarfs both of Moncton's hospitals. In fact, it is the largest building, private or public, by far in the entire province, and the only one that is around 1,000,000 square feet! I visit three, four or more days per week and it's huge. 12 floors consisting of four towers built on top of a two story based the length of several football fields, and the fact that it recently had a new state-of-the-art $70 million cancer center added would seem to naturally make it the premier hospital for the province, but then again, I'm not a doctor asis MonctonRad, so I can't really say for sure?

The usual way of measuring the size of a hospital (if you dont know the exact square footage) is the number of care beds.

Hospitals in NB with over 100 beds according to Horizon & Vitalite:

SJRH: 445
TMH: 381
Chalmers: 315
Dumont: 302
Chaleur: 215
Edmunston: 169
Miramichi: 150
Campbellton: 146
St. Joes: 103

In other words:

Moncton: 683
Saint John: 548
Fredericton: 315
Bathurst: 215
Edmunston: 169
Miramichi: 150
Campbellton: 146

[Wolkenkratzerliebhab]

[QUOTE=mmmatt;5550048]The usual way of measuring the size of a hospital (if you dont know the exact square footage) is the number of care beds.

Hospitals in NB with over 100 beds according to Horizon & Vitalite:

SJRH: 445
TMH: 381

Actually, the SJRH has over 785 beds, but cutbacks have them, at least for now, out of commission! There are huge areas that are simply now closed up until further notice.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

Yes, 5 occupied floors; 5 mechanical floors and two smaller additional mechanical floors. I still think there are only four towers, at least that's all I can count. Comparing the height of the mechanical floors to the occuppied floors, something that can be easily determined by simply walking the stair wells, I would say that they are of the same height.

The picture of the hospital clearly shows 8 towers

[cdnguys]

[QUOTE=Wolkenkratzerliebhab;5550097]

Originally Posted by mmmatt

The usual way of measuring the size of a hospital (if you dont know the exact square footage) is the number of care beds.

Hospitals in NB with over 100 beds according to Horizon & Vitalite:

SJRH: 445
TMH: 381

Actually, the SJRH has over 785 beds, but cutbacks have them, at least for now, out of commission! There are huge areas that are simply now closed up until further notice.

From old Atlantic Health Sciences website:
With a total of 524 beds, the Saint John Regional Hospital is the region's primary centre for acute care, and is one of only two accredited tertiary trauma centres in Atlantic Canada.  SJRH houses a nucleus of expertise in Cardiac Surgery, Cardiology services, Neurosciences, Paediatric and Adult Oncology, and many other specialties. Twenty-four hour care in 23 areas of specialty medicine and surgery is supported by a vast array of research, teaching, health promotion activities and partnerships with Dalhousie University in Halifax, the New Brunswick Community College, the University of New Brunswick and Memorial University in St. John's Newfoundland.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Wolkenkratzerliebhab

Hospitals in NB with over 100 beds according to Horizon & Vitalite:

SJRH: 445
TMH: 381

Actually, the SJRH has over 785 beds, but cutbacks have them, at least for now, out of commission! There are huge areas that are simply now closed up until further notice.

All hospitals in NB are like that, not just SJRH. The Moncton Hospital is actually rated for 650 beds but as you can tell, about 40% of them are permanently closed. We also have complete wards in our hospital that are totally vacant. At the same time, there are usually dozens of patients stacked up in the ER at TMH or waiting in hallways for access to hospital beds!

[cdnguys]

Are we now going to compare our new justice complexes?

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Are we now going to compare our new justice complexes?

We win hands down til your new one is done!

[RR Drummer]

Very interesting posts regarding the Hospitals and the age old Saint John vs Moncton comparisions (much nicer word than rivalry don't you think? But then again I shouldn't talk. I'm a former resident of Chatham, now City of Miramichi, and I remember fiece rivalry between the 2 towns of Chatham and Newcastle. The high school hockey games alone were the talk of the towns and had more fights than all of Don Cherry's Rock em Sock em series put together both on ice and in the stands. Of course the close proximity is much different than Saint John and Moncton, but loyalties are fiercely held no doubt about that.

That said let's move on. Any word on how we are doing on the Porter Airlines effort? Sure would be nice to have them here in Saint John. I believe they would give Air Canada some much needed competition on some routes. We have a decent airport, small, but functional, we just need some new flights and better rates and the usage will increase. I for one would not question a 2-4 hr drive to save some serious $$ on a ticket.

All in all our city is poised for a great 2012, pension deficit aside of course. Saint John physically is looking better than it has in years, and has plenty to offer on the business and entertainment front. Here's to a great year.

[cdnguys]

Nice renditions from Architect:
http://www.architects.nb.ca/projects/lawcourts.html

[nwalbert]

Originally Posted by RR Drummer

Saint John physically is looking better than it has in years, and has plenty to offer on the business and entertainment front. Here's to a great year.

I could not agree more. Taking a walk uptown and there is tons of investment going on in the multi-unit buildings.

[ErickMontreal]

Saint John Being Considered For Canadian Blood Services Contact Centre

A Canadian Blood Services contact centre could be coming to the city in the wake of the loss of the blood production lab to Dartmouth.

CBS says it may open a centre that would handle appointments, follow-ups, and support national CBS programs.

A decsion has not been finalized and no word yet on how many jobs would be created. Winnipeg, Kingston, Moncton, and Halifax are also being considered as locations for the contact centre.

http://country94news.blogspot.com/2012/01/saint-john-being-considered-for.html

[Taeolas]

Originally Posted by CBC

WestJet mulls regional airline
Smaller communities could receive service as early as 2013

This should be good news for Saint John Airport's efforts, and may bode well for Freddy getting them in as well.

[JRocca]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

Not until they resolve their major screw-up that has led to the people who had bought condos living in a hotel until they can move in because of, um, structural problems.

I have been busy and not able to follow the forum until today.
It's important that people realize how damaging irresponsible speculations are to reputations of those involved in the design and construction process and to our efforts to sell the condos..
The reason some buyers were in hotels is because they relied on our overly optimistic projections of how long it would take us to go through the temporary occupancy permit approval process to time their move into their condo.
We assumed the approval process would take the same amount of time as it took in our other projects. We then found out that this is the first high rise residential building [as the term is defined in the National Building Code] built in New Brunswick in more than 15 years!!
This meant the authorities were more catious and more deliberate in their decision making porocess.The end result was that it took two months mre than we anticipated to get the temporary occupancy permit.
The entire focus of the review process was on making sure that all the sophisticated life support systems were built per Code and tested and found to be in good working order.There was not A SINGLE issue/concerns raised by anyone about the structural integrity of the building.The reason for this is simple.There never were nor are there nw any structural issue with the building.
Ten buyers have already moved in and more will be moving in soon.
And the building will be a proud member of the City's landscape long after you and I and your great grandchildren are gone.

[JRocca]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

Excellent.

Can you verify that they constructed it improperly and didn't take into consideration the width of the walls in the plans? I heard hallways were too small, rooms weren't exact sizes, etc. etc.

I can verify that on this point you and your sources are full of shit.

[JRocca]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

How am I being negative? I'm just relaying information that i've heard, and that information was that it was built improperly which is why [your] wait-time to move in was lengthened. Perhaps the units that are still under construction are undergoing re-construction. I'm glad that you were able to move in and that there are more options for living in the Uptown.

Greg
You are not passing on "information". You passed on unfounded,damaging rumours and when presented by the facts by a knowledgeable person, you still persist on spreading rumours.
Sorry to disappoint you but the reason some units are unfinished is because that's how we staged the construction.
We intentionally finished floors 2-6 first and left the penthouse, floor one and the townhouses until last to allow some of the buyers of floors 2-6 to move in early.
This is supposed to be a "forum"-that's a place for the exchange of idea and information that have some connection to reality and truth. You should join the forum.You will find that doing a little bit of research before you pass on a rumour is more fun, enjoyable ans satisfying than wasting your time and energy on rumours.

[dhottawa729]

Don't piss off the J-Rocc... he builds nice looking condos