YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

well they are australians they wanna support quantas

Originally Posted by SpongeG

ah they flew to LA and than flew alaska airlines to vancouver since alaska is a partner airline with quantas

I seem to recall QANTAS flying to Vancouver once, or am I wrong? I remember from early childhood my grandmother taking a trip home to New Zealand, and seeing the QANTAS jet at YVR. She had to change planes in Fiji at that time.

Also, I heard that, briefly anyway, QANTAS once had a direct flight YVR - Tahiti, then onwards. That obviously didn't last long (if it ever existed)

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Not sure how it's done elsewhere, but that's how it's usually done. Not sure about the EU Zone, though. Would a flight stopping in paris be able to continue to Berlin? Maybe.

I caught this re-reading your answer. I think you're asking if Fifth Freedom Rights are allowed. Contentious point.

First is the formalized legal agreement itself, just FYI

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air/intern...ndex/doc/canada_final_text_agreement.pdf

............ and here is the premable, "Publicity" for the agreement, much briefer and easier to read, with the mention of open fifth freedoms, first where they are defined as being "grandfathered" (which, on thinking about it, could be used to either allow or prevent 5th Fr. The business attorneys who use this page might be able to answer more accurately than I, to be sure. Hope this answers your question.

[PDF] Canada - European Union Comprehensive Air Transport Agreement

www.eu-canada.com/df/doc.../61-robert-ready.h

ps: interpretation and feedback more than welcome, anyone willing.

[incognism]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I seem to recall QANTAS flying to Vancouver once, or am I wrong? I remember from early childhood my grandmother taking a trip home to New Zealand, and seeing the QANTAS jet at YVR. She had to change planes in Fiji at that time.

Also, I heard that, briefly anyway, QANTAS once had a direct flight YVR - Tahiti, then onwards. That obviously didn't last long (if it ever existed)

QF has had an on/off presence at YVR over the years.

They used to have a flight YVR-SFO-HNL-SYD for a while. It then became YVR-HNL-SYD, but the YVR-HNL was operated by CP. Then when CP went under, QF operated it by themselves again. This ended in 2001, I believe. QF then operated SYD-YVR-SFO in the summer of 2006.

And yes, there used to be a YVR-PPT-SYD flight on QF in the 70s.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I seem to recall QANTAS flying to Vancouver once, or am I wrong? I remember from early childhood my grandmother taking a trip home to New Zealand, and seeing the QANTAS jet at YVR. She had to change planes in Fiji at that time.

Also, I heard that, briefly anyway, QANTAS once had a direct flight YVR - Tahiti, then onwards. That obviously didn't last long (if it ever existed)

I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I recall that CPAir & Qantas shared the Vancouver - Honolulu - Sydney run with CPAir flying the northern leg and Qantas the southern leg. The passengers & cargo would change planes in Honolulu to continue the trip.

I discovered a trick with these flights was to arrange to land in Hawaii on a Friday & lay-over until Sunday, so you got a weekend in Hawaii to top-up the tan before arriving in Vancouver.

I think that when CPAir went bust, but before AC started cooperating with Qantas, Qantas had to fly the entire route - sometimes with a layover in Hawaii, other times the layover was in Fiji.

[deasine]

^You do mean, competing versus cooperating right? Unless there's an agreement between AC and QF, whereby they won't compete with one another (which sounds much more of a win-win situation for AC rather than QF, given they are also in competing alliances.

QF's ticketing and check-in is still in YVR's system last I remember. I would love for them to restart flying directly into YVR again. It'd be nice if they could operate a MEL-SYD-YVR, or even a SYD-BNE-YVR. Nothing worse than transferring to another Australian city after a long transpacific flight (especially the distance between YVR and SYD). I wouldn't be surprised if QF signs codeshare agreements with WS and have HNL as future connection points.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

I'm a bit fuzzy on this, but I recall that CPAir & Quantas shared the Vancouver - Honolulu - Sydney run with CPAir flying the northern leg and Quantas the southern leg. The passengers & cargo would change planes in Honolulu to continue the trip.

I discovered a trick with these flights was to arrange to land in Hawaii on a Friday & lay-over until Sunday, so you got a weekend in Hawaii to top-up the tan before arriving in Vancouver.

I think that when CPAir went bust, but before AC started cooperating with Quantas, Quantas had to fly the entire route - sometimes with a layover in Hawaii, other times the layover was in Fiji.

QANTAS, QANTAS, QANTAS.

That is all.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

QANTAS, QANTAS, QANTAS.

That is all.

Sorry
Just my scrabble mind at work trying to get the extra "U" point.

[deasine]

Hate it to break it to you guys, but Qantas is not a valid word in Scrabble

[twoNeurons]

Correct. But QUANTA is!
http://www.anagrammer.com/scrabble/quanta

[Jebby]

I flew Qantas from YVR to Honolulu in Summer 2000 and the flight was fully operated by Qantas.

[Chikinlittle]

QF's most recent foray into Vancouver saw service SYD-SFO-YVR, and I believe it was three days per week (and perhaps seasonal only if I recall correctly).

[trofirhen]

... so that makes QF and SQL among airlines no longer serving YVR. A bit sad, in a way. Any other lost arlines? (Fiji's airline for one, whatever that was called) ... any others?

Boy I'd love to see a few more foreign tails into Vancouver, even if I don't live there any more. That will take time, as the city gets bigger.

Incidentally, I recently received a message from a forum member passing through Europe, flying back to Vancouver from Paris .... via Seattle ...

[ACT7]

Originally Posted by deasine

Even after the QF fiasco?

I heard loads on QR from YUL are really low - it seems that QR's first entrance into YUL was more like to please the Transport Canada as opposed to for strategic reasons. But QR recently signed codeshare agreements with AC, so at least whatever they are doing might be paying off.

I heard the same thing. In fact every time I'm at YUL, the line up at Qatar Airways is virtually non-existent. This reminds me of when Transearo started serving YUL before YYZ - it eventually vapourized and it's nothing but YYZ now.

[Chikinlittle]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

... so that makes QF and SQL among airlines no longer serving YVR. A bit sad, in a way. Any other lost arlines? (Fiji's airline for one, whatever that was called) ... any others?

Boy I'd love to see a few more foreign tails into Vancouver, even if I don't live there any more. That will take time, as the city gets bigger.

Incidentally, I recently received a message from a forum member passing through Europe, flying back to Vancouver from Paris .... via Seattle ...

Frontier (F9 - discount carrier based out of Denver) made a brief visit to Vancouver and then left.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Incidentally, I recently received a message from a forum member passing through Europe, flying back to Vancouver from Paris .... via Seattle ...

Yeah I did that once, SAS from Copenhagen to Seattle and connecting flight to vancouver was like €700 cheaper than flying direct on KLM from schiphol

[abc1]

Here is a link to a presentation from Nov 2011 for future capital projects at YVR which includes some timelines, budgets, and renderings of projects like the Pier A/B phase 1 upgrades.




http://www.bccr.net/images/nov2011/Presentation-Nov_24.pdf

[mezzanine]

thanks for the link.

Does that mean that the baggage upgrades will allow transiting bags to go directly to the next flight? That should really improve things for transit passengers - picking up bags after a long transpacific flight to check them in again would suck.

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Another important major project, then new yvr pipeline, recently kicked back to life again, with the proponents changing the route to follow hwy 99.

http://www.richmond-news.com/Protest+gro...pipeline+route+change/5959082/story.html

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by abc1

Here is a link to a presentation from Nov 2011 for future capital projects at YVR which includes some timelines, budgets, and renderings of projects like the Pier A/B phase 1 upgrades.




http://www.bccr.net/images/nov2011/Presentation-Nov_24.pdf

Thanks for the link. At present, I'm the most curious about the Pier A/B upgrades, (esp Pier B; looks as if it has airport ga,grene right now!)

Any renderings?

[abc1]

There is the one rendering on page 22 depicting Phase one of the Pier A/B renovation and I think that it is due to be completed in 2012.


In addition, there is a reference on page 23 of the (150 million) phase 2 Pier A/B renovations which does not have a picture associated with it.

Of note, Phase 2 (Pier A/B) appears to be in line after the future expansion of the ITB (250 million) and the north south taxiway.

[abc1]

Having had a closer look, it seems to be listed in order of gross capital expenditures from highest to lowest and not chronologically. My bad.