Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals

[dtgeek]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Sorry, but i have to correct the post. THe Canada line is actually not an LRT, but indeed runs standard sized HRT subway vehicles. So the wider (larger) cars make up for having the shorter platforms vs. this Toronto LRT.

No they don't? 2.54m*60m = 152.4m^2 and 3.0m*40m = 120m^2. Seems to me like the Eglinton line trains will have more area.

[dleung]

interesting... looks like a straight-edged version of another oxford project starting construction in Vancouver:

[steveve]

Originally Posted by Dwils01

It's no wider than Commerce Court West or Toronto Dominion Tower. Office buildings are suppose to have larger floor plates anyways.
It could have been worse. It could have been that wide on the north/south views too.

commerce court has its height to back it up/balance it out nicely,.. I'm only worried about the width because of the height ratio., but i think the renders of the tower make it look even wider than it is,

[vegeta_skyline]

Originally Posted by steveve

commerce court has its height to back it up/balance it out nicely,.. I'm only worried about the width because of the height ratio., but i think the renders of the tower make it look even wider than it is,

Its 44 floors tall plus about 5 more for the slanted mechanical top. So about 49 floors in total height. Office floor heights are about 14ft these days so that would give it a height of appoximately 680ft. Thus the difference in height compared to Commerce Court(784ft) won't be that substantial.

In terms of width its tough to tell from the renders. I don't think the building extends as far north as the one just west of it. But if it did it would be 255ft wide, which would make it the same width as the TD center (and only 50ft shorter). But it think its width will be closer to Commerce Court's 225ft.

[vegeta_skyline]

Oh and that slant at the base of the south west corner;

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Where have we seen that before...

Originally Posted by udo on UT

[caltrane74]

The only reason these guys updated the renders is because they have secured a main tennant. But still need to market the remaining space to other potential businesses.

[WhipperSnapper]

You know this for a fact that they have secured a lead tenant?


If not, I love you man but, a brigging might be in order

[caltrane74]

Guaranteed!

Why else the updated renderings?

Why not just leave the 30 floor renderings up.

What I have deduced is they have secured a tenant for about 20 to 30% of the space in an expanded tower and are now actively marketing the remaing space with the updates specs and renderings.

[Ramako]

So basically you're just guessing.

[WhipperSnapper]

You're definitely some snake oil salesman. They're renderings; one tenth of pennies to the overall scheme.

[Dale]

Caltrane continues to catch more grief than all the Kardashians combined.

[Bankview]

If my roommate watched hours upon hours of Caltrane running his mouth off instead of those insipid twits who star in 'The Kardashians Take NYC' I would spend far more time in my living room.

[caltrane74]

I'm just using what we know to figure out what's going on:

• this is possibly the biggest office tower built in Toronto in over 20 years
• Based on the renderings and floor plates, it appears to be more substaintial and could possibly be taller than BAC
• this building at 28 floors was in the same range as other towers being developed in Southcore, such as 18 York, 16 York, and Waterpark 3
• the building is no inline with the giant superblocks of 45 Bay and BAC East Tower.
• out of those three, this is the only tower to exhibit "movement"
• in the time the other two have been in active sales, this new tower is first released with updated renderings for 28 floors, and now again in its taller form at 44 floors.
• even the old renderings for the 28 floor tower has lease able space of around 650,000 square feet, this new tower is likely to be well over 1 million square feet

[Andrewjm3D]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

There are 4 Office Towers under construction in Toronto now I believe, in addition to the 2 or 3 Medical or Research Towers. So about 3% of our total construction right now.


1. Bremner Tower ( may be capped at ground level.)
2. 18 York - (finishing touches)
3. RBC Waterpark Place ( just started)
4. Mars Research Tower ( Stalled and then restarted on second floor now)
5. Sick Kids Research Tower ( underway)
6. Women College Hospital Tower (underway)
7. Hullmark Centre - (underway - but mixed use, so not a true office tower, although a significant portion of the towers are set aside for office)


By Toronto Standards that's not alot, but still better than nothing.

Don't forget Bridgepoint Health

[taal]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

I'm just using what we know to figure out what's going on:

• this is possibly the biggest office tower built in Toronto in over 20 years
• Based on the renderings and floor plates, it appears to be more substaintial and could possibly be taller than BAC
• this building at 28 floors was in the same range as other towers being developed in Southcore, such as 18 York, 16 York, and Waterpark 3
• the building is no inline with the giant superblocks of 45 Bay and BAC East Tower.
• out of those three, this is the only tower to exhibit "movement"
• in the time the other two have been in active sales, this new tower is first released with updated renderings for 28 floors, and now again in its taller form at 44 floors.
• even the old renderings for the 28 floor tower has lease able space of around 650,000 square feet, this new tower is likely to be well over 1 million square feet

Sounds good but it's still no proof

Don't get me wrong I'd love for this to be true.

I don't think anyone can argue the height was increased, the key take away there is on top of the renderings, the big block oxford site now mentions 1,000,000 square feet as opposed to 650.

But here's what stands out to me:
1) They never updated the stacking plans.
2) 1,000,000 is likely the size of the entire tower at the new height. But if they secured a tenant, wouldn't they list a smaller amount ? I'll give you an example, check out the Waterpark place 3, they list available space at 350K, even though the tower has about 900K overall, the reason being RBC took up all the space already.


I know there's a rumor about Waterpark place going to 53 floors or so as well but that's hard to believe i.e. that both these increases are taking place, I doubt there's that much demand.

Anyway, you'd need to see approvals at the city level for both.

[caltrane74]

Maybe they are close to signing a tenant......

[steveve]

Some nice hq drawings/details about 1 york complex.
Call me crazy, but i'd take these any day over Tridels 10 york next door.

http://urbantoronto.ca/news/2011/12/details-emerge-menkes-90-harbour-1-york-officecondo-complex

[Dwils01]

Shoring has commenced at Waterpark Place 3 site.
There were two machines there doing work yesterday morning.

[caltrane74]

I think those rigs have been there for a bit.

[Ramako]

Proposal Update

200 Dundas East I (Toronto) = 151.850 m

200 Dundas East II (Toronto) = 112.850 m

Staff Report (with line drawings): http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2012/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-43081.pdf