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Old Posted Nov 17, 2011, 3:31 AM
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Mind you, we could get a big shock when the census is released and find out we're only at 130k
Dont be surprised if its somewhere in the middle...maybe 133,000...look at the estimate for 2006 compared with the actual census number. For some reason the estimates are always high Ive found.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2011, 3:54 AM
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The growth numbers aren't way off, but there was a big undercount in the last census that pushed us up by like 5k overnight. I don't' remember how StatCan came to that conclusion, but I'm sure they have some complicated models and formulas to do it.
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Then people will be able to live, work, play, go to school and shop without ever having to venture south of the TCH.
Sounds like a fairly similar problem you have there.

Not to add to the whole problem of sprawl, but I wish New Brunswick cities would become larger so it doesn't feel like an hour and a half drive between Moncton & Saint John. What I mean by this is that there's a difference between a drive through the woods and a drive with things on the side of the highway to look at.

For example, the 401 in Ontario is very boring in Eastern Ontario because of it being mostly rural, but once you hit Oshawa it's malls and home and businesses all the way to Toronto and beyond. It makes for a more enjoyable drive. I guess what i'm saying is that I wish there was more infill between the larger cities in New Brunswick. I can dream, alright?
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Then people will be able to live, work, play, go to school and shop without ever having to venture south of the TCH.
I think I should clarify what I mean by my thesis here.

I have lived in the Kingswood area of Moncton since 1989. There have been many changes in the northwest end during this time. The population in this section of the city has likely trebled in the last 20 years. When I first moved here, the northwest end was mostly a group of disconnected subdivisions, and to get from one house to another, you frequently had to deke out onto Mountain Road. Over time, the subdivisions grew together and a network of interconnecting neighbourhood streets developed, giving the area a sense of community. This sense of community strengthened with the establishment of Evergreen Park School, and more recently with Northrup Frye School.

At the same time, commercial growth along the western portion of Mountain Road also made a difference in the feel of the neighbourhood. When we first moved here, it seemed we were always going over to Champlain Place or Highfield Square. Now, with Wheeler Park and the commercial corridor on Mountain Road, we don't go cross town nearly so much.

At the same time, traffic congestion on Mountain Road became oppressive during rush hour. Thankfully, as the subdivisions deepened and became interconnected, other commuting options came into play. In particular, once Evergreen connected through to Ryan Street, and they built the roundabout and upgraded Horsman Road, it opened up a whole new series of travel options. I find that if I am going downtown, I will usually take Horsman to Berry Mills to Millenium. If I am going to BMHS, I will turn off Berry Mills and cut through the industrial park. I only routinely take Mountain Road if I am going to work or going shopping. Since most of my shopping is local, it's become apparent to me that aside from work, I am living most of my life outside of the Wheeler ring road.

I guess my point is that things change over time. I can see the same thing happening in the areas north of the TCH eventually as well. As the subdivisions become interconnected and as local shopping, cultural and educational options develop in the neighbourhood, then people will become more insular. You see this in larger cities all the time. Even in Halifax, there are people who virtually never venture over the bridge into Dartmouth. Why should they if everything that they need is in their own neighbourhood......

Four lane divided highways serve as natural barriers between neighbourhoods, in just the same way as a river does. The only way across a river is via the bridge. Similarly, the only way across the freeway is the interchange. Wheeler Blvd divided the northwest end from Moncton West. The TCH will be a similar barrier between the northwest end and Magnetic Hill.

In 20 years time, Magnetic Hill will be an entirely new section of the city, extending north of the TCH all the way from Mountain and Gorge Roads (and I predict also to Mapleton). It will have it's own schools and shopping district and will have it's own recreational and cultural options as well as a university. It will be a complete community in it's own right.

This new section of Moncton will grow, develop and become semi-autonomous just like the northwest end has since I moved here 20 years ago.
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And one other thing.....

For what it's worth, there was a provincial survey team out on Berry Mills Road between Horsman and Edinburgh this morning making all sorts of measurements.

I wonder if something could be afoot for the next road construction season!
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And one other thing.....

For what it's worth, there was a provincial survey team out on Berry Mills Road between Horsman and Edinburgh this morning making all sorts of measurements.

I wonder if something could be afoot for the next road construction season!
I can only hope something is being planned there! Reading that just brightened my day a little.
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Probably going to narrow it to 1 suicide-lane to add bike paths on either side.
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With the new developments at Magnetic Hill and the new road being put in, this could improve flow and options for the concert site...
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Probably going to narrow it to 1 suicide-lane to add bike paths on either side.
You might be kidding but if the city did do something like that it's sad to say I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. After the whole Shediac and Salisbury Rd fiasco over the summer nothing about road planning (or the lack thereof) in this city would shock me.
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Some colour for the page.....

A few pics from around Assomption Blvd today.





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Abridged from today's T&T

UdeM expanding medical training centre
Published Friday November 18th, 2011

$7-million facility to be completed next August
By Aloma Jardine
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Med students at the Centre de formation médicale at Université de Moncton will step into a brand new building when they return to their studies next fall.



The university held an official ceremony yesterday to mark the construction of an 18,000 square foot (1,675 square metre) addition to the Pavillon J.-Raymond-Frenette, the one building on campus located on the north side of Morton Avenue. Work on the addition began in July and is expected to be completed by August 2012, in time for students to begin using it during the next school year.

The addition will include study space for students, offices, research and laboratory space and an amphitheatre and will double the amount of space available for the medical school.

The $7-million facility was funded by the province.

UdeM president Yvon Fontaine says the new space is badly needed.

"In terms of our ambition, we were never modest, but we started in terms of our infrastructure, very modestly," he says. "The building that is being used for the program now was an existing building, we kind of recycled it, and it was a small building not built for that purpose. It served us well, but we knew right from the start that eventually we would have to expand."

The students have very limited study space in the current set up and there is no amphitheatre where all students can attend a lecture or presentation simultaneously.

Fontaine says they were able to work with the limited space in the early years of the program because they did not have their full complement of students. The program, which began in 2006, accepts 24 students each year. Now that the full 96 students are at the school, space has become more of an issue.

Dr. Aurel Schofield is the director of the Centre de formation médicale and the associate dean of the Faculty of Medicine at Université de Sherbrooke.

He says the school has seen much development over the past five years, including increased research

Post-secondary Education, Training and Labour Minister Martine Coulombe says with this building all the pieces are in place to assure the future of the study of medicine in French in New Brunswick.

She says the province also wants to support and encourage research in the province in all disciplines.

"Education is at the root of economic development in the province," she says. "With infrastructure like this, that meets the needs of the training centre and is more comfortable for students, it will offer a chance to help increase research in the province, which I believe is necessary."

Fontaine is hoping the new facility will help the university in that respect.

"This also is a springboard for us to grow our research capacity in the health sector," he says. "We want to step to another level in terms of research in the biomedical area."

He expects UdeM to be at the heart of the province's push for more health research.

"I think this university, the potential to grow its research in the next five to 10 years, I think on the health side is very promising," he says.

Personal note - medical education in Moncton has come a long way in a short time.

The U de M program has 96 undergraduate medical students. I am not sure how many post graduate family practice and specialty residents are at the Dumont at any one time, but I would hazard a guess at about 16-20. On the anglophone side, there has been a family practice residency program at the Moncton Hospital for some time, with a total of 12 residents in the program. The Moncton Hospital will also be a base for third and fourth year medical students out of the medical school program at UNBSJ. I think we will have about 16 third and fourth year medical students at the Moncton Hospital. When you throw in elective medical students and specialty residents, I expect that there will be about 32-36 medical students and residents based at the Moncton Hospital at any one time as well.

So, when you total up the francophone and anglophone sides, there should be in the vicinity of 150-160 medical students and residents based in Moncton.

One thing that is screwy about the medical school building at U de M is that it is at the exact opposite side of the campus from the Dumont Hospital, and if anything, is almost closer to the Moncton Hospital!
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I hadn't thought of that. If they'd built it closer to Lafrance residence, you would have been within easy walking distance of the Dumont.
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New building for Moncton?

Morning.

Any idea what the construction is in Moncton behind the YMCA on Flanders Court? It's sure been busy with ground work the past week.
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Morning.

Any idea what the construction is in Moncton behind the YMCA on Flanders Court? It's sure been busy with ground work the past week.
Greetings and welcome to the forums flyer99!!

There was a variance request for that lot to allow for the construction of an "educational building" which was approved by GMPDC. Since I had no further information regarding this project, I decided not to post anything about it.

Does anybody else have any information on this?
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Couple notes:

1. Welcome to the forum flyer99! I noticed that lot the other day but I dont know anything about it more than what MonctonRad mentioned...it looks like a fairly large lot, so lets hope for info soon!

2. Work has started on a lot on Carson Dr. (behind Rallye Hyundai) and according to this: http://www.gmpdc.ca/webcura/files/790.pdf... I gather it will be at least two residential buildings built by Sira (they own Mapleton Village and Chateau Mapleton behind Future Shop).

3. Just wanted to mention that there is some renovation work going on in the "mid-mountain rd" area. The small "Econo Rental" building on the corner of Vaughn Harvey and Mountain, and the "Bennys" convenience store a bit further up. These (along with the recently renovated "Viet Bistro") Were what I felt to be the ugliest properties in the area, and I am VERY happy to see them get a facelift of any kind! While it is nice to have new buildings popping up all the time, I hate it when the old ones are neglected to this point.
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Anyone know what's going up at the corner of Mt-Rd & Oakland, across from Sun Sun? I don't recall seeing any business names being tossed around on here.

The foundation is poured and the footprint looks kinda small.
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from today's T&T

Moncton's tourism numbers 'remarkable'
Published Tuesday November 22nd, 2011

Industry analyst says Moncton's room rentals best in eastern Canada
BY BRENT MAZEROLLE
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The first meeting of Moncton city council since the death of Ian Fowler began with a moment of silence in honour of a city hall employee whose impact on the city has been so large, people are still bringing up contributions that somehow got missed in all the tributes heard since Fowler died two weeks ago.

But despite the touching gesture and the warm words of councillors last night, the real tribute came much later in the meeting, when a tourism industry consultant named Rod Cunningham gave a report that proved a dramatic vindication of much of what the city's late general manager of economic development, tourism and culture did in his decades of service to the city.

"Moncton has certainly led the Maritimes (in hotel room sales) over the past decade," Cunningham said as he delivered his annual report to council, something he's been doing since N.B.'s three largest cities first hired him to measure their tourism achievement back in 2002.

"Moncton's performance in 2010 was simply remarkable. I just couldn't believe it," he said, explaining to council that "no city from the Manitoba border to eastern Newfoundland compared."

Despite a lingering recession, Moncton managed to pick up 47,900 extra room night sales in 2010 - that's 10,000 more nights than Quebec City, the only eastern Canadian centre to come even close at increasing its overnight stays.

To put Metro Moncton's accomplishment into an even better context, Cunningham explained that the greater Quebec City area has more hotel rooms than all of New Brunswick combined.

He identified what he though were the reasons for our community's success, listing five. "The city understands the business. It is creative. It takes risks. It does things right. It invests the money."

Councillor Paulette Thériault pointed out "the city" could have easily been replaced with one man's name in that list. "I do believe there is someone who isn't with us who's contributed to so much of this - our colleague Ian Fowler."

To that, Cunningham quietly noted it was Fowler who was instrumental in convincing his counterparts in Saint John and Fredericton nine years ago to seek a consultant who could use the same methodology to measure their successes and failures and give them feedback.

Cunningham also noted that while most cities pursue tourism in three segments - summer tourists, the travel trade, and conventions - Moncton pursues 12, which besides the above three he counted as sporting events, escape weekends, the casino, attractions, tournaments, festivals, shopping, concerts, and trade shows. While Fowler's hand isn't really visible in the casino or necessarily visible in the area's success as a retail and escape weekend destination, he was closely involved with all the others, in fact pioneering the idea that sports tourism could be a key segment of a region's tourist revenues.

On the matter of shopping, despite growing competition from other New Brunswick centres now offering more shopping options, "you still are the shopping destination in the province," Cunningham told council.

In fact, while room night rentals is a valuable indicator for the sort of market research Cunningham and his associates do, he noted room rentals only represent 15 per cent of tourist spending in the city. A full 51 per cent of the money spent by visitors goes 26 per cent toward restaurants, bars and entertainment and 25 per cent towards shopping. Fuel sales and transportation fares make up the rest of the spending, each accounting for 17 per cent of all tourist dollars spent in Metro Moncton.

personal note - this would appear to bode well for the future of the hospitality industry in the city and one wonders if there will not be further hotel construction in the city based on this outstanding performance.

One thing I have always wondered is why there is not a hotel near the CN Sportsplex/4-Ice Centre. In particular, the northwest corner of Vaughan Harvey/Millenium across from the new YMCA would make an excellent location for a hotel if you ask me....
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There was indeed talk of a hotel going at that very intersection back when the new Y was built. I guess nothing ever came of it. You're absolutely right though. A hotel there would be a quick trip to both the Commons, 4-Ice Centre and the Coliseum/Agrena. I expect hotels are a lot like gas stations though, in that they tend to cluster around one another.
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Deleted, meant to put it in the CFL thread.
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Anyone know what's going up at the corner of Mt-Rd & Oakland, across from Sun Sun? I don't recall seeing any business names being tossed around on here.

The foundation is poured and the footprint looks kinda small.
I've mentioned it a couple of times as the "Moncton Flatiron" project...just because of the sharp triangular shape of the lot. MonctonRad and I have guessed it will be a drive-thru coffee shop of some sort (Second Cup or Starbucks hopefully) but I haven't seen anything official about the site yet.

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There was indeed talk of a hotel going at that very intersection back when the new Y was built. I guess nothing ever came of it. You're absolutely right though. A hotel there would be a quick trip to both the Commons, 4-Ice Centre and the Coliseum/Agrena. I expect hotels are a lot like gas stations though, in that they tend to cluster around one another.
That was around the time that there was a mini-boom of hotel construction in the city...Marriott, the Casino, Motel 6, Hampton Inn etc all sprung up within a matter of 2 years...The addition of 500 or so hotel rooms so quickly in a city our size is tough to absorb, I forsee there will be more hotel construction to come but only after a couple more years of "absorption".
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