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Old Posted Oct 24, 2011, 4:37 PM
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that's not my comment! i found it so funny so i decided to share it:-)
Well he just needs to move to Gatineau, the CBC viewer will likely have a perfect view. And even more once some of the planned or future towers will be built there.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2011, 8:42 PM
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Added my two cents to the CBC article online; most commenters approved of higher density downtown but didn't like the lack of rentals.
Funny, usually about 36 hours after a story like this comes out in the CBC a big group of commenters come online en masse and swings the balance back in favour of NIMBYism and stagnation (judging by the sudden, inexplicable upswing in thumbs-down for pro-intensification comments, and the thumbs up for the reverse.

Seems NIMBYs are slow to react, or at least notice, online articles.

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People in that neighbourhood (Westboro) are doomed to living in a wind tunnel...There is a mass exodus of people in that area who are unhappy with the new Westboro.
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Old Posted Oct 26, 2011, 11:39 PM
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I know some here are critical about vacant empty lots in Ottawa that have been neglected, but the city of Gatineau isn't fairing better.

I had talked in a separate thread about St-Joseph Blvd being neglected. Seems Maisonneuve Blvd is another artery that has been neglected. The condition of the road is the first thing we could notice. But there are a bunch of vacant lots and other ugly looking buildings that would definitely need some attention. While riding route 10 for the past few months, I could at least discover two relatively large lots previously occupied with homes that are now just filled with weeds and other crap and it's been like this for several years with no plans to fill this out. That would be nice to add a couple of towers there right?

And anyone has been travelling near the Hautes Plaines Blvd area right along Hwy 5. There is a 3 km road called Blvd de la Technologie that is almost a road to nowhere (well except this summer with the Stats Canada office) filled with cracked, potholes, etc (and during this summer a good road to speed race too). There is like an abandoned home right at the start of the area (and seems in the past couple of weeks there were fire trucks parked there quite often). There presently only three small businesses in operation there. The Stats Canada DOC building is being vacated right now because yep people like me are done right over there thus leaving a giant shell empty. The city has been neglected this area for a long time and if they want to attract the number of businesses they want, I think a redevelopment of this area is necessary.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2011, 1:29 AM
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"City centre unprepared for condo influx"

City centre unprepared for condo influx

Diane Holmes decries lack of amenitiesas committee approves another highrise

BY DAVID REEVELY, THE OTTAWA CITIZEN OCTOBER 26, 2011

An 18-storey condo project at 346 Gloucester St. was approved by the city’s planning committee Tuesday.
OTTAWA — The city is happy to see thousands of people lining up to buy new downtown condominiums, but it doesn’t have a plan for supplying the amenities that make for nice neighbourhoods, city council’s planning committee heard Tuesday morning as it debated a new highrise at 346 Gloucester St.

The 18-storey tower itself, though it’s opposed by Somerset Councillor Diane Holmes (who finds it too tall, stuffed into an odd-shaped lot with two blank faces and an unconvincing “glass hat” to prettify the top), received unanimous approval from the committee. Holmes did, however, get support for an effort to look at whether the city government is really ready for what’s going on downtown.

The city compiles an annual development report that offers numbers but no evaluation. Last year, for instance, 44 per cent of Ottawa’s construction was in areas targeted for intensification, when the city was hoping for 36 per cent.

“It seems we are just marching along with the bubble and having no analytical capacity to say, ‘What should we be doing?’ ” Holmes said.

If the city isn’t ready, a good part of the problem is the city’s own doing. For many years, city politicians and planners have thought downtown’s biggest problem is a lack of people, especially after business hours, and more condos the best solution.

Way back in 1994, the pre-amalgamation Ottawa started waiving development charges — fees cities levy on construction projects to help pay for the services new residents and business will use, from water pipes to parkland — to revive downtown construction.

The program evolved and narrowed over the years as downtown projects picked up, but didn’t end completely until the beginning of August this year. And there was a two-year delay, so any developer with a condo-shaped twinkle in his eye rushed to get projects submitted by the deadline.

The amounts aren’t small. The city charges between $5,700 and $8,000 per unit for new apartments and condos inside the Greenbelt, depending how many bedrooms they have. For a medium-sized building like 346 Gloucester, with 200 units, that’s between $1 million and $1.5 million. Considering the city spent less than $60,000 on a new play structure in Osgoode recently, that money could go a long way.

Now, Holmes brandishes an information sheet showing that in her Somerset ward alone, the city has issued building permits for 430 condo units and a further 3,600 are working their way through the city’s approval process. These are all in addition to towers that are under construction now or have recently been finished.

“We should have ended it sooner, and we shouldn’t have given two years’ warning,” Holmes says of the fee holiday.

Holmes worries that there’s a bubble in the condo market, with would-be residents giving way to investors who rent units out, and investors giving way to speculators who care even less about the buildings they buy into.

And even if there isn’t a bubble, Holmes worries that the city isn’t doing much to make downtown a welcoming place to live.

The city actively wants more people living downtown, but it also wants a demographic mix, and most condos are being built for singles and retirees, Holmes said. Even if families wanted to move in, there’s a shortage of city amenities. Centretown is OK for open grass, but not much for slides and swings. “Where’s the (new) downtown library? Where are the parks?” she asked. Services like community health programs and day cares struggle to keep up.

It’s not just development charges that could pay for some of these things. The city is also close to setting guidelines for concessions and compensation it hopes to extract from developers who get rezonings to erect buildings taller than the rules ordinarily allow — something it’s had the power to do under the provincial Planning Act for nearly 30 years but never got around to. In planning jargon, these are called “Section 37s,” for the part of the law that allows them.

The city has already done a handful of similar deals in a less formal fashion. For instance, it extracted $1 million from Claridge Homes in exchange for permission to build two very big towers at Gloucester and Metcalfe Streets. The money paid for a renovation to the dog run at Jack Purcell Park and landscaping for neglected road allowances.

Holmes got help from the vice-chair of the planning committee, Councillor Jan Harder, who announced she’ll formally request the study Holmes wants at the committee’s next meeting.

Cities from Chicago (“my new favourite place”) to Vancouver to Barcelona manage to include small amenities in dense, historic neighbourhoods, Harder said, and there’s no reason why Ottawa can’t do the same. Development charges and Section 37 payments are the perfect way to fund pocket-sized parks and start saving for bigger projects, she said.

“Whether it’s a play structure or even just some benches to sit on, that’s definitely something we can do,” she said. “You need those things.” Downtown might not have room for the sprawling parks like those in Harder’s Barrhaven ward, she said, but there is space for neighbourhood-scale amenities and the city should have specific policies for providing them.

The study would also look at how well the city’s more mundane infrastructure, like its sewer and water pipes, can handle more development. One premise supporting downtown intensification is that the city doesn’t have to lay new pipes and roads for it, but the pipes can’t accommodate new condo towers indefinitely.

As for 346 Gloucester, the planning committee voted for the tower despite confusion over whether it’s subject to the new development-charge regime. The builder, Richcraft, argues it only would be if the revised plan included more units than had already been approved. The committee asked the city’s legal department to provide an opinion before full city council takes the plans up on Nov. 9.

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Old Posted Oct 27, 2011, 1:55 AM
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Condo project in Centrepointe

I just came back from the AGM of the Centrepointe Community Association where Richcraft made a presentation about a proposed condo project. The proposal is to build two condo buildings -- one 24-stories; the other 22 -- on the corner of Centrepointe and Constellation Drive.

The proposal is to build a total of 340 units, with three floors of underground parking. In terms of timelines, if everything is approved quickly, shovels could be in the ground in 2013.

As expected, a few people expressed concerns about the height, that too many units were being proposed, and the impact on traffic flows. However, there were also some practical questions: e.g. would the building be build to a Leeds-standard (yes); and how many units per floor (eight).

Further community discussion is expected to take place as this project moves forward.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2011, 2:07 AM
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What lot is that Centrepointe project proposed for?

And is it far enough in the west end that no one will bitch about tall buildings spoiling the view?
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2011, 2:19 AM
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And is it far enough in the west end that no one will bitch about tall buildings spoiling the view?
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If the lot is at Centrepointe and Constellation there really isn't much homes that the shadows will affect in that area and it is right beside Baseline Station! It's prime for intensification there. Hopefully there will be some rentals included in this project as I'm sure many algonquinites and people who work in the West will like the idea of renting!
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2011, 2:48 AM
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If the lot is at Centrepointe and Constellation there really isn't much homes that the shadows will affect in that area and it is right beside Baseline Station! It's prime for intensification there. Hopefully there will be some rentals included in this project as I'm sure many algonquinites and people who work in the West will like the idea of renting!
It's funny that you mention Algonquin students, as one person raised concerns about investors buying up a large number of condos, and in turn renting them to students who would cause trouble in the neighbourhood. To be fair to the people at the meeting, however, this was not a prominent point of view.
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Watson's idea for a "green express lane" for green projects. The development summit mentioned in the last line should be interesting.

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Watson wants ‘green express lane’ for City of Ottawa building permits

By David Reevely, The Ottawa Citizen October 26, 2011

OTTAWA — Environmentally sound building projects should get extra-swift treatment from the city’s planning department, Mayor Jim Watson told city councillors in unveiling his proposed budget for 2012.

“Starting next year we will provide a ‘green express lane’ for developments that strive for more,” Watson said. “We will set a tough standard for housing, buildings and renovations to qualify for the green express lane.”

The goal is to identify and publicize better building techniques the city wants to favour — solar hot-water heaters, for instance, or systems that use rainwater for bathrooms — and reward builders who want to use them by having them treated by a completely separate team in the city’s planning and building departments.

“Projects will qualify based on planned energy and water efficiency, construction waste minimization, and overall environmental footprint,” a city description of the plan says, although there are no specific funds attached to it.

The idea is a response to two frequent criticisms of the city: that planning approvals take too long (though the budget notes with some pride that the number of building permits issued within the legal time limit has gone from 65 per cent five years ago to over 90 per cent) and that city building officials are stymied by new techniques and technology for which they don’t already have a playbook.

Indeed, for four years ending in 2007, the city simply refused to issue permits for solar hot-water heaters because there wasn’t a national standard for them. That changed when the Ontario Building Code was finally updated to include the long-used technology.

After the budget presentation, Watson also said he hopes to set “benchmarks” in 2012 for how long each phase of a planning approval should take and eventually promise discounts when the city doesn’t meet the targets.

“Each transaction would have to be different because obviously a site plan for a subdivision is substantially different than putting a veranda on your backyard, so we’d have to judge it accordingly to the scope and magnitude of the project,” Watson said.

The head of the city’s planning department, John Moser, immediately began lowering the boom on his staff in a mid-afternoon memo obtained by the Citizen. “I am sympathetic to the nature of our profession — of the regulatory role that we play, of the myriad of legislation and interests that we balance every day,” he wrote. “But there has never been a greater time to improve our operations than now. We will all be under an increased microscope in 2012 and we must deliver or face collective consequences.”

The other explicitly pro-environment measure in the budget is $1.4 million for the city’s fund for buying environmentally sensitive land. Watson also promised to pursue money from the federal and provincial budgets to upgrade the city’s sewers so they vent less sewage into the Ottawa River during heavy rains, and to worker harder to enforce zoning and community design plans despite some builders’ requests to erect bigger buildings than the rules allow.

“We are going to make infill work,” Watson said, and complained of the costs of fights over enforcing the rules. “This council will be asking more of builders. Developers will be expected to pay for the full cost of the growth in infrastructure they cause.”

He also promised a “summit” on development in the winter. “The current system just is not working, plain and simple.”

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Good to hear of intensification at Centrepointe and next to Baseline Station. There's a library and services at Ben Franklin Place, too. Hopefully rental properties, too.

Cue Ken Grey!
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I just came back from the AGM of the Centrepointe Community Association where Richcraft made a presentation about a proposed condo project. The proposal is to build two condo buildings -- one 24-stories; the other 22 -- on the corner of Centrepointe and Constellation Drive.

The proposal is to build a total of 340 units, with three floors of underground parking. In terms of timelines, if everything is approved quickly, shovels could be in the ground in 2013.

As expected, a few people expressed concerns about the height, that too many units were being proposed, and the impact on traffic flows. However, there were also some practical questions: e.g. would the building be build to a Leeds-standard (yes); and how many units per floor (eight).

Further community discussion is expected to take place as this project moves forward.
There were supposed to be multiple buildings at over 10 stories in the Centrepointe if I remember from a plan that was like several years ago. I guess then other then the Algonquin buildings and the Archives, nothing has been built in terms of residential. I guess the plan was ditched.
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In similar news, Diane Holmes (aka Mrs. 1982) has made the CBC and the top news story on Yahoo Canada, thanks to her views on opposing building downtown.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hot-ottawa-condo-market-could-cool-114122876.html

If you recall, she opposed Tribeca because of the height and lack of amenities (but mostly height), then when the builder said they would bring a grocery store/day care to the area as part of the project, she voted against it because there would be seven delivery trucks going to the building each day. This woman is not trying for sustainability or amenities downtown, she's just aiming for no new development downtown (otherwise she would seek solutions).
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There were supposed to be multiple buildings at over 10 stories in the Centrepointe if I remember from a plan that was like several years ago. I guess then other then the Algonquin buildings and the Archives, nothing has been built in terms of residential. I guess the plan was ditched.
The architect of the Centrepointe / Constellation project spoke during the CCA meeting yesterday. When questioned by one resident about the proposed height (i.e. 24-stories and 22 respectively) he said that this height will match the future buildings that are expected to be built as part of Centrepointe Town Centre. I found the statement to be very interesting.

From what I understand, the general plan for the area is to build the underground bus station at Baseline, and then move the current station underground, and continue building Centrepointe Town Centre on top of what is presently the bus terminal.
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The architect of the Centrepointe / Constellation project spoke during the CCA meeting yesterday. When questioned by one resident about the proposed height (i.e. 24-stories and 22 respectively) he said that this height will match the future buildings that are expected to be built as part of Centrepointe Town Centre. I found the statement to be very interesting.

From what I understand, the general plan for the area is to build the underground bus station at Baseline, and then move the current station underground, and continue building Centrepointe Town Centre on top of what is presently the bus terminal.
From: http://www.ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit.../ACS2007-CMR-CSE-0012-%28Complete%29.htm



Difficult to see/read but this is the 2007 Centrepointe Town Centre concept plan
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I always get a kick out of "Focal Point".

To me, it reads "Overplanned Designated Public Open Happy Space That No One Will Ever Ever Use Except For Getting To Or From Underground Baseline Station (If It Ever Opens)".
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I always get a kick out of "Focal Point".

To me, it reads "Overplanned Designated Public Open Happy Space That No One Will Ever Ever Use Except For Getting To Or From Underground Baseline Station (If It Ever Opens)".
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Don't knock hot dog vendors. They make empty public open space worth visiting. Mmmmm.....
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Precisely. I was thinking about Bank and Laurier's 'focal point.'
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Bring it! Better yet: vendors of other kinds of food.
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Precisely. I was thinking about Bank and Laurier's 'focal point.'
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