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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 4:56 PM
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^Not as good of an example as it might seem at first. The crane operators were actually sued for negligence in the wake of that collapse. A better one would be Tokyo Tower earlier this year, especially as a narrow TV mast will sway much more than a wider, heavier, bulkier office tower.

Given that the top of this building is subjected to 70mph winds, an earthquake is not going to be that much of a challenge. This isn't a 4 story solid brick townhome that can't flex a quarter inch without cracks showing up. Buildings like this are always in motion. Always bending, always flexing. They're not going to crack or crumble. Absolute worst case, which would happen in either a Cat 5 hurricane or a quake much larger than what the east coast peed itself over yesterday, would be some blown out windows.

The cranes are anchored to the building, and so long as they're tied down, they'll do just fine as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 5:59 PM
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Does anyone know when they are going to clad the base?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 6:05 PM
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Not to be paranoid or anything, but don't they design pretty much every modern skyscraper for any sort of ground movements? I know NYC wouldn't have building codes like in L.A. but I just wanted to be sure it's something they consider in the design process regardless of where a building is built.
Quite a bit. You already have plenty of gaps, hinging, and sliding to account for temperatures and wind.

I think the biggest issue is not so much the buildings themselves rather how they interact with their neighbor during motion. Our cities vary dramatically in building types with modern flexible steel skyscrapers next to rigid load bearing masonry structures. Sometimes right up against each other or have an inch or two of space between. There's no doubt buildings will apply some lateral force against one another.

I noticed here in Chicago how common walls never meet anymore. They'll leave a 2-4 inches of space and just insert a thin filler strip to hide the gap.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 6:07 PM
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Does anyone know when they are going to clad the base?
They start next year.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 6:53 PM
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They start next year.
frown...... the tower will be basically topped off by then, we're left with this mess till then...
     
           
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 7:30 PM
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frown...... the tower will be basically topped off by then, we're left with this mess till then...
Next year is only a couple months away... ...it is hard to comprehend September starts next week.

Besides, I have witnessed this practice many times; even on a ten story building in Downtown DC I was a part of from 2004 into 2005.
     
     
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They start next year.


Looks like they've started the preliminary part of that all ready.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 8:58 PM
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I know that the forces in a quake are a lot different than in a hurricane, because it's the buildings own inertia you have to worry about in the quake, but I remember Zen saying that the force of an 80mph wind hitting the building would be far greater than those of a 7.0 quake.
It kind of made sense to me since quake forces would be prevented from reaching extreme instantaneous levels by the flex of the building, while wind forces, being static, wouldn't have that limitation.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2011, 9:20 PM
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Wind forces are generally lateral only and act on the building only in one plane. That is: Back and forth horizontally either in one direction (the point on the top of the tower would scribe a straight line) or in two directions at the same time (a point at the top of the tower would scribe a circle, oval or ellipse or even a figure 8). The structure of the tower would flex to accommodate these movements.

However in an earthquake one must also account for the vertical movement of the ground in addition to the lateral movement (a point at the top of the tower may scribe a figure 8, a helix, a phugoid or any of the several other 3 dimensional pathways initiated by the seismic wave.

Fortunately architects, designers and engineers factor all of that into the structure as well.


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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 12:56 AM
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With a powerful Hurricane projected to pass close to, or maybe even strike NYC, when does the decision get made to shut the site and lash the tower cranes down? Thanks for any insight
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 1:37 AM
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and on Twitter, views from the 70th fl:



     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 1:52 AM
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Oh man, they should know better than to take pretty pictures at sunset from the tallest building in Lower Manhattan, soon to be all of Manhattan.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 2:09 AM
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 2:09 AM
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Nice pictures of Liberty in the harbor & the top of 3WFC! :-) Like the sunset shot alot! :-)

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Nice shots! I love seeing the view of Miss Liberty in the Harbor. The sunset with the top of 3WTC is great also! :-) GOOD JOB! Thank you for building this tower who-ever took this shot! I am very proud of everyone who is working on the entire New World Trade Center Project! I am glad to see the New York that I used to know prior to 9-11. I can now say that New York is Pretty Again! good job!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 2:22 AM
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 3:55 AM
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I've read some people who say that 1 WTC and Beekman look like twins, and I always scoff. But in this particular pic...yeah, they do.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 4:06 AM
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^ AHA! Got you red handed.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2011, 4:43 AM
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Hard to believe how much more there is still to come:

     
     
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