Halifax Stadium Discussion - Page 169

ATL Stadium · #**3361** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 12:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

Dexter is a politician - and like Mayor Quinmbey said: Whenever the winds change, let it be known that I too shall blow. Meaning: If support for the stadium starts showing real gains and the cost isn't too bad; then he'd change his tune.

After all; election season is just around the corner.

2013.....I'm really not sure NS will last that long!
The one and only thing that could possibly float Dexters boat would be if his ship comes in! and lets be clear...he will be boasting and vying for all the credit on that one. Maybe the cheers will turn to support for a Stadium.
Thinking outside of the box here....way outside.

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fenwick16 · #**3362** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by ATL Stadium

Who is this Vice Chair of the Steering Committee???
Also I dont think 15,000 perm seats with 10,000 temp is so bad a starting point...it fits for a CFL franchise because you can the temps perm if you had to later down the road.....
I do think 10,000 perm is too small.....but planning for expansion and seating possibilities later on are key points! For Sure

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One problem with the Sierra plan is that they are indicating a preference to have infrastructure for only 10,000 permanent seats. So portable toilets would be required for the other 10,000 temporary seats. It would be much better if they did 16,000 - 18,000 permanent seats but have additional washroom facilities - say enough for 25,000 seats

. But as far as concession stands go, it makes sense to have a large number of temporary concession stands since the stadium might not be used enough to justify a large number of permanent concession stands.

It should be noted that BMO Field was built for the 2007 FIFA under-20 World Cup. So building 20,000 permanent seats for an event that requires 20,000 seats isn't a stretch.

PoscStudent · #**3363** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:06 AM**

I'm sorry but why do people think the federal government will give money for a stadium?

fenwick16 · #**3364** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by PoscStudent

I'm sorry but why do people think the federal government will give money for a stadium?

They provided financial support for BMO Field and Moncton's Molson Stadium - it would be hypocritical for them to say they won't provide it for the FIFA Women's World Cup. They would be saying that the FIFA Women's World Cup is not befitting of financial support when the FIFA Men's U-20 Cup was.

Also, just about every major amateur sports event ever held in Canada has had federal support (this is no exaggeration). The new stadium under construction in Winnipeg and the proposed arena for Quebec City were specifically intended for professional sports. So at this time, not having a profession sports team is in HRM's favour.

In any case, I think the federal funding being hoped for is in the $15 million to $20 million range not the large amounts requested in Winnipeg, Regina and Quebec City.

sdm · #**3365** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

Dexter is a politician - and like Mayor Quinmbey said: Whenever the winds change, let it be known that I too shall blow. Meaning: If support for the stadium starts showing real gains and the cost isn't too bad; then he'd change his tune.

After all; election season is just around the corner.

Classic Halifaxboyns with the Mayor quinmbey.

sdm · #**3366** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by PoscStudent

I'm sorry but why do people think the federal government will give money for a stadium?

they probably won`t give `money` but give other incentives such as land and cover the cost of the enviromental clean up required at shannon park.

fenwick16 · #**3367** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:35 AM**

I just watched the Peter MacKay interview - here is the video link - just wait a few seconds for the advertisement to end and then it will start. At the very end of video it mentions another announcement to be made tomorrow "which might not be money" - now I am very curious. Could it be land such as Shannon Park?

wespidel · #**3368** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:45 AM**

That is why Montreal expanded there stadium to 25 thousand permanent seats from 20 thousand and put in more skyboxes etc. You may be able to get by with 24 thousand permanent seats if you have 40 skyboxes, VIP lounges, club seats, restaurants, to bring in more revenue, but a CFL owner needs to have the option to stage a Grey Cup game as well, to be more viable. Those are own facts in the CFL today, in the 21st century!

Winnipeg`s new stadium will have 47 skyboxes, VIP lounges, restaurants, club seats, a Bomber gift shop etc.

wespidel · #**3369** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:47 AM**

Seriously!

q12 · #**3370** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 2:41 AM**

Just to confirm that CTV NEWS @ 11:30 just aired two stories: one on the convention centre which showed Joe Ramia with a big smile

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the other was a story on Darrell Dexters reversal on the stadium. He now says he will support it as long as HRM comes up with business case for it.
Also showed Mackay saying that he would be on board if the province is too.

Good news I would say. Heres hoping for phase 3!

This news broadcast will re-air at midnight on the /A\ network.

fenwick16 · #**3371** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by q12

Just to confirm that CTV NEWS @ 11:30 just aired two stories: one on the convention centre which showed Joe Ramia with a big smile

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the other was a story on Darrell Dexters reversal on the stadium. He now says he will support it as long as HRM comes up with business case for it.
Also showed Mackay saying that he would be on board if the province is too.

Good news I would say. Heres hoping for phase 3!

This news broadcast will re-air at midnight on the /A\ network.

Here is the link to the video clip on the stadium http://atlantic.ctv.ca/?video=516955 (wait a few seconds for it to start). It starts at 6:20 min:sec and includes Premier Dexter stating that the city must take the lead.

I can see that Defense Minister MacKay and Mayor Kelly (plus several Councillors) can see the importance of such a facility for HRM and Nova Scotia. It is great to see Premier Dexter also starting to get on board.

By the way, I like the way that Premier Dexter responded to Tim Bousquet's questions today. I think that Premier Dexter gave good straightforward, honest responses to very annoying questions by Tim Bousquet. Here is the link to THE COAST story - http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/arch...14-million-for-halifax-convention-centre .

MaritimeCFLFan · #**3372** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 1:16 PM**

With Darrell Dexter's latest reversal and Peter MacKay still talking stadium I get a good feeling that this will happen. As I said before nobody seems to want and come out publicly and commit any hard figures right now. I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors there is alot of talk going on between HRM, Dexter and MacKay about getting this done right as well as who possible privite investers could be. I'd say that not until the numbers are mostly worked out behind closed doors will we actually hear any hard cash committments in terms of real dollars being made. I look forward to the coming months for possible announcements. As far as location I'd be in favor of a Dartmouth Crosing location but if Shannon Park is ultimately chosen that is just fine by me as well. But please built it right! Halifax has a tremendous opportunity to finally shed the perception of a no-can-do city and really can't afford to mess this up.

ATL Stadium · #**3373** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 5:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by q12

Just to confirm that CTV NEWS @ 11:30 just aired two stories: one on the convention centre which showed Joe Ramia with a big smile

,
the other was a story on Darrell Dexters reversal on the stadium. He now says he will support it as long as HRM comes up with business case for it.
Also showed Mackay saying that he would be on board if the province is too.

Good news I would say. Heres hoping for phase 3!

This news broadcast will re-air at midnight on the /A\ network.

I like how MacKay placed the blame on the Stadium on Dexter...lol

What i really hate is someone (in this case Dexter) saying something like he did...."as long as they have a business case" So he leaves the judgement ability door open...."we did not like the business case" or "it not making enough money" or "its not a good enough one".....
Why not just say "YES if HRM votes to move froward the Provincial Govt will be there to support as well! " He always leaves an element of doubt about whether or not he has made up his mind...like it is his decision to make.....ARRRGGGGH!

Come on Dexter....come out from under your rock and smell the fresh clean air!

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ATL Stadium · #**3374** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 5:37 PM**

After re -listening to the Murphy / MacKay interview....I see that MacKay cleary sees the picture...he stated that we could expand afterwards to 25,000 seats .....of course.....NICE!
One thing that I think is silly is the idea of possibly jockeying seats back and forth between Moncton and HRM....that just might work until one city loses a Uteck bowl to the other.....oh yeah that has already happened....!!! Game on!

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someone123 · #**3375** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATL Stadium

One thing that I think is silly is the idea of possibly jockeying seats back and forth between Moncton and HRM

I dislike this Third World type attitude that causes people to propose half-baked plans to cut corners. I doubt that would even save money over the long run.

MonctonRad · #**3376** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATL Stadium

One thing that I think is silly is the idea of possibly jockeying seats back and forth between Moncton and HRM

I didn't see the interview.......What do you mean by this?

Do you mean ferrying temporary stadium seating back and forth between Moncton and Halifax for the FIFA tournament?

If so, that's pretty lame.

The City of Moncton (with the blessing of the province of NB) just purchased 12,500 (slightly used) temporary stadium seats in any event.

q12 · #**3377** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 6:54 PM**

Before Phase 3 begins is there any chance of a trust fund being started? A season ticket drive for the CFL would be great but then it would be a "PRO" stadium.

icetea93 · #**3378** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I didn't see the interview.......What do you mean by this?

Do you mean ferrying temporary stadium seating back and forth between Moncton and Halifax for the FIFA tournament?

If so, that's pretty lame.

The City of Moncton (with the blessing of the province of NB) just purchased 12,500 (slightly used) temporary stadium seats in any event.

I think he meant for any time the stadiums needed to be expanded (concerts, etc.) But I think everyone agrees that that idea is rather silly.

halifaxboyns · #**3379** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 7:12 PM**

I would have to agree - moving temporary seats between each city is probably going to be logistically and practically impossible. Remember, the HRM stadium and the Moncton stadium may have different agendas on the types of events they would want to attract. Plus I would think they would end up competing against each other more often than not.

Where I think some merit may lie is in the regional CFL team. Assuming that HRM builds a stadium of sufficient size, it may be in the team's interest to have 1 game out of the home season in Moncton and perhaps NFLD or PEI. I say that because if the team is going to be regional (Atlantic Canada) - then you'd want to give people a chance to see it easily (in the large city's of Atlantic Canada) but still keep it based in Halifax at the biggest stadium.

For me; if I look at Calgary's stampeders - there are roughly 12 home games in Calgary a season. So if it were me managing the team; I'd probably dedicate 2 games to Moncton (since PEI residents can get there just as easily as Halifax) in order to build up support for team. Who knows, if you did that an had one game in Moncton and one in NFLD - you may end up with a regional fan base as big as rider nation.

One can dream!

q12 · #**3380** Posted **Aug 16, 2011, 10:05 PM**

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