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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:50 AM
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Is it "GTA" or "the GTA"?
I believe that was a rhetorical question, but just in case it wasn't, I will answer - it is "the GTA" for "the Greater Toronto Area"
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:57 AM
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Woah, take a chill pill. I hate "The HRM" or "HRM" it should be just Halifax anyways. And who cares what you think when you sound like an a$$.
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 2:14 AM
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The most common thing people do when they don't want to or can't explain something said/written is to be sarcastic and insert juvenile smileys.

Your comment was not lost. Far from it. It is just incorrect. Very incorrect. Inflation is actually very bad for governments in that people/businesses spend less resulting in lower HST revenues for provincial and federal governments. When inputs become more expensive one of the very first things to go are jobs, resulting in lower income taxes for both provincial and federal governments. So this leaves both levels of governments with less to spend. populations can grow but if there are no jobs for the masses then no tax revenue.

Why do you think interest rates go up when inflation becomes a problem? So inflation does not lead to a recession which would result in lower spending and ultimately lower gov revenues.

Inflation is now starting to be a concern in Canada (NS actually has the highest inflation rate in the country). So why would you think inflation would provide a benefit to governments but also think it would not affect the cost of a $500M project.

Plus an increase in HRM's population in great part is due to migration from other areas of the province so there is no relationship between intraprovincial migration and provincial tax revenue. The city does win however with increased property tax revenue.

And FYI. It is not "the HRM" anymore than it is the Montreal, the New York or the Vancouver. it is simply HRM.

And please no more juvenile retorts and smiley faces. Make statements. Defend them if challenged. But please refrain from Smiley faces. If challenged would you draw a smiley face and hold it up to the committee you are defending a dissertation in front of?
Hmmmm you would make a great politician by the sounds of it.....Or are you?
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 2:37 AM
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I believe that was a rhetorical question, but just in case it wasn't, I will answer - it is "the GTA" for "the Greater Toronto Area"
Thanks for clarifying the rhetoric...............
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 6:27 AM
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The most common thing people do when they don't want to or can't explain something said/written is to be sarcastic and insert juvenile smileys.
The reason for my terse response is that I didn't say what you claimed I said. My point is simply that there's a tendency for government revenues to grow with inflation, since for example revenue streams like property taxes increase automatically with assessments (in practice municipalities rarely seem to cut rates to compensate). I mentioned "inflation" as a shorthand for "inflation averaged across the entire economy".

On balance inflation can be good or bad for a particular government, but it is wrong to claim to know a priori that charging 102% of a price in 2011 is "more expensive" for a government than 100% in 2009. This is what the media are doing when they talk in terms of price hikes.

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Inflation is actually very bad for governments in that people/businesses spend less resulting in lower HST revenues for provincial and federal governments.
Plenty of healthy, growing economies experience inflation, ideally moderate inflation in the 1-3% range. This is what central banks try to encourage with interest rates. Your comment is easy to prove false -- in NS there have very likely been periods of simultaneous inflation and HST growth.

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And FYI. It is not "the HRM" anymore than it is the Montreal, the New York or the Vancouver. it is simply HRM.
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And please no more juvenile retorts and smiley faces. Make statements. Defend them if challenged. But please refrain from Smiley faces. If challenged would you draw a smiley face and hold it up to the committee you are defending a dissertation in front of?
What a bizarre question! This isn't a defense, it's a post on an internet forum.

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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:33 PM
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The reason for my terse response is that I didn't say what you claimed I said. My point is simply that there's a tendency for government revenues to grow with inflation, since for example revenue streams like property taxes increase automatically with assessments (in practice municipalities rarely seem to cut rates to compensate). I mentioned "inflation" as a shorthand for "inflation averaged across the entire economy".

On balance inflation can be good or bad for a particular government, but it is wrong to claim to know a priori that charging 102% of a price in 2011 is "more expensive" for a government than 100% in 2009. This is what the media are doing when they talk in terms of price hikes.


That is certainly how I interpreted your comment... hence why I had added that I wished that the press examined both sides of a ledger sheet (costs AND revenue). HRM clearly read into your statement something that they wanted to read into it.
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 1:40 PM
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The most common thing people do when they don't want to or can't explain something said/written is to be sarcastic and insert juvenile smileys.

Your comment was not lost. Far from it. It is just incorrect. Very incorrect. Inflation is actually very bad for governments in that people/businesses spend less resulting in lower HST revenues for provincial and federal governments. When inputs become more expensive one of the very first things to go are jobs, resulting in lower income taxes for both provincial and federal governments. So this leaves both levels of governments with less to spend. populations can grow but if there are no jobs for the masses then no tax revenue.

Why do you think interest rates go up when inflation becomes a problem? So inflation does not lead to a recession which would result in lower spending and ultimately lower gov revenues.

Inflation is now starting to be a concern in Canada (NS actually has the highest inflation rate in the country). So why would you think inflation would provide a benefit to governments but also think it would not affect the cost of a $500M project.

Plus an increase in HRM's population in great part is due to migration from other areas of the province so there is no relationship between intraprovincial migration and provincial tax revenue. The city does win however with increased property tax revenue.

And FYI. It is not "the HRM" anymore than it is the Montreal, the New York or the Vancouver. it is simply HRM.

And please no more juvenile retorts and smiley faces. Make statements. Defend them if challenged. But please refrain from Smiley faces. If challenged would you draw a smiley face and hold it up to the committee you are defending a dissertation in front of?

PS: Making a snotty comment about "And FYI. It is not the HRM..." etc is equally as "juvenile" as you claim the smiley faces are, but with the addition of being a hell of a lot of catty.

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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 3:59 PM
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Why can't we all just get along? Seriously folks...calm down.
Yes, the technical title for the City is HRM - that's what's on the logo, but who cares. Some of us call Toronto 'the City of Toronto'. We all speak and write differently.
Let's just stick to the discussion and ensure that when we post, we are clear on why we say what we do and be prepared to defend it in a polite discussion.
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2011, 4:47 PM
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Why can't we all just get along? Seriously folks...calm down.
Yes, the technical title for the City is HRM - that's what's on the logo, but who cares. Some of us call Toronto 'the City of Toronto'. We all speak and write differently.
Let's just stick to the discussion and ensure that when we post, we are clear on why we say what we do and be prepared to defend it in a polite discussion.
Sorry, but HRM's rant was way out of line. This isn't a case of "why can't we all just get along". I am always happy to clarify what I post. Sometimes I'm wrong or just not specific enough, usually because I'm too busy to explain things in detail (everybody does this, and often what seems clear to one person isn't clear to somebody else or is misunderstood because we think in different terms). That's not a good justification for HRM using personal insults as he did when he called me juvenile.

In any case, looking forward to news about this. Hopefully we'll hear back in the next few days.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 4:41 PM
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Peter McKay w/Steve Murphy on CTV - saying a decision from the federal government would be forthcoming in days, rather than weeks or months.
This was a week ago....
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 4:52 PM
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This was a week ago....
I guess the key word is weeks and not week.

I really expected to hear an answer on this by weeks end. It's a pretty big announcement so does anybody know if Harper or one of his delegates will come to Halifax to make the announcement, or will it be announced from Ottawa?
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 5:35 PM
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I guess the key word is weeks and not week.

I really expected to hear an answer on this by weeks end. It's a pretty big announcement so does anybody know if Harper or one of his delegates will come to Halifax to make the announcement, or will it be announced from Ottawa?

My thinking is that they will not make a high profiled announcment on this.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 5:36 PM
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I guess the key word is weeks and not week.

I really expected to hear an answer on this by weeks end. It's a pretty big announcement so does anybody know if Harper or one of his delegates will come to Halifax to make the announcement, or will it be announced from Ottawa?
Someone noted in the Stadium thread that an announcement around August 2nd was coming for the stadium and may also include Nova Centre? Perhaps I mis-read that.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2011, 7:32 PM
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Someone noted in the Stadium thread that an announcement around August 2nd was coming for the stadium and may also include Nova Centre? Perhaps I mis-read that.
Aug 2nd, eh? So if the U.S. defaults...
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2011, 2:54 PM
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Are there any rumblings on this at all yet? I thought we might have heard something yesterday. Im just getting pretty impatient with this one...
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2011, 10:53 PM
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Are there any rumblings on this at all yet? I thought we might have heard something yesterday. Im just getting pretty impatient with this one...
The massive hole in the ground is an embarrassment to the city.
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2011, 11:48 PM
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The massive hole in the ground is an embarrassment to the city.
They can always move on to developing plan "b" and get on with it.
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2011, 5:10 AM
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They can always move on to developing plan "b" and get on with it.
I don't think any developer would move on with plan "B" while there is still the prospect of millions of dollars of government funding.

This is actually a pretty good example of how the government can slow down development in the core by trying to help. If the development does not move forward than all of this intervention will have simply hurt. Of course, as far as I know, it's still possible that this development will move forward.
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2011, 5:58 PM
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Feds non-committal on Halifax convention centre
CBC News Posted: Aug 4, 2011 12:38 PM AT

Proponents of a new convention centre in Halifax are not getting a commitment of support from Tony Clement, president of Canada's Treasury Board.

Clement wouldn't make any funding promises while on a visit to Halifax on Thursday.

He said the Harper government would wait to hear from municipal and provincial officials.

"I'm hoping that we can make a decision that is the right decision," he said. "When he have all the facts and we've considered all of the arguments then we'll make a decision."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/08/04/ns-convention-centre-clement.html
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Old Posted Aug 4, 2011, 6:26 PM
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Boilerplate non-announcement and non-story. They'll give an answer when they're ready, unless they're trying to intentionally stall to force the developer to kill the project.
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