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BStyles · #**14741** Posted **Jul 15, 2011, 9:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by JesseNewYorkCity

(Sigh) Geez, that sounds like a long time.. A YEAR and 4 months until the building is all covered with glass? Ugh..

They're also counting the base glass too. The main building glass will have finished long before that (its only a bout a dozen floors behind the topmost floor). Besides, the building isn't going to open until 2013, so what's the rush?

The best part of construction (as stated above) is the actual construction itself. After the site is completed all you can do is enjoy what's on the outside.

Roadcruiser1 · #**14742** Posted **Jul 15, 2011, 10:08 PM**

This is the definition of topping out.

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In building construction, topping out (sometimes incorrectly referred to as topping off) is a ceremony held when the last beam is placed at the top of a building. The term may also refer to the overall completion of the building's structure, or an intermediate point, such as when the roof is dried in. A topping out ceremony is usually held to commemorate the event.

While common in the United Kingdom, Germany, Czech Republic, and Poland, the origins of the ceremony are obscure. Its practice has long been an important component of timber frame building. This tradition migrated to America with European craftsmen. A tree or leafy branch is placed on the topmost beam, often with flags and streamers tied to it. A toast is usually drunk and sometimes the workmen are treated to a meal. The ceremony has also been common in the United States when a skyscraper is completed. The last beam to be hoisted is painted white and signed by all the workmen involved. In other types of building, the ceremony typically focuses on the bedding of the last block of masonry or brick. The ceremony is akin to the practice of placing a newspaper or coins under the cornerstone of a building.

This is from the PA's website.

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Q. Since the tower is coming closer to being topped out, will there be a topping out ceremony toward the end of the year? – Dominic, Grants, NM

A. We anticipate the tower will be topping out in early 2012. Our focus right now is getting the tower built. When the time comes, we will focus on whatever announcements or ceremony is appropriate. For now, it's just build, build, build.

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Q. When will the spire go on 1 WTC and how long will it take for the spire to be installed? – Logan, New York, N.Y.

A. Installation of the tower's spire will begin in mid 2012, and will take approximately six months to complete.

This proves the topping out will be done before the mast is installed therefore it's the roof that needs to be completed and not the mast. The real fact is to never really question a person that had taken architecture classes before.
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q-a-response-lynda-tollner3.html

Traynor · #**14743** Posted **Jul 15, 2011, 10:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

Topping off a building means when the roof of the building is laid, and not the mast. If it was the mast that counted then the original One World Trade Center would have had been topped off on 1977, but that isn't true, because it was topped off on 1972 when the roof was complete, and that would have had made the original 2 World Trade Center as a building that was never topped off which isn't true.

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Originally Posted by MadGnome

You might want to rethink logic as a career. The antenna on the original was just an added on antenna. And the thing about number two is stretching even that nonsense too far.

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

This is the definition of topping out....

This proves the topping out will be done before the mast is installed therefore it's the roof that needs to be completed and not the mast. The real fact is to never really question a person that had taken architecture classes before.
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q-a-response-lynda-tollner3.html

The fact MadGNome was questioning (and which I believe he was right to do so)... Is you are confusing an antenna with a spire. CTBUH does not count the antenna as part of the official height because it is not part of the structure. The Top Out dates for the old twins were accurate and independent of the later additions of antennas. The north tower had a couple of versions of antennas and the South Tower never received one. They can not be counted as part of the architectural structure despite the fact that both towers were designed to support future antennas.

As we all know from countless debates on here about the new 1WTC... It will have a Spire and not an antenna (Though I will always debate that distinction) and it therefore must be counted as part of its official height and not until its last piece has been installed will 1 WTC be indeed Topped Out OFFICIALLY. Despite what the Port Authority wants to call it.

And finally there is no need for the boastful addition of your credentials at the end of a post. It is too common for members on here to get all high and mighty and it only makes them look silly. Particularly when that bragging backfires.

Roadcruiser1 · #**14744** Posted **Jul 15, 2011, 10:48 PM**

Oh I just call it a mast whether it's a spire or not. Fine I will just call it a spire.

JesseNewYorkCity · #**14745** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 12:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by Traynor

The fact MadGNome was questioning (and which I believe he was right to do so)... Is you are confusing an antenna with a spire. CTBUH does not count the antenna as part of the official height because it is not part of the structure. The Top Out dates for the old twins were accurate and independent of the later additions of antennas. The north tower had a couple of versions of antennas and the South Tower never received one. They can not be counted as part of the architectural structure despite the fact that both towers were designed to support future antennas.

As we all know from countless debates on here about the new 1WTC... It will have a Spire and not an antenna (Though I will always debate that distinction) and it therefore must be counted as part of its official height and not until its last piece has been installed will 1 WTC be indeed Topped Out OFFICIALLY. Despite what the Port Authority wants to call it.

And finally there is no need for the boastful addition of your credentials at the end of a post. It is too common for members on here to get all high and mighty and it only makes them look silly. Particularly when that bragging backfires.

Why are you constantly trying to start a fight or argue with people on here?

Spire/Antenna.. It's technically pretty much the same thing.. A long rod on top of a building.

animatedmartian · #**14746** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 1:54 AM**

Don't mind this post.

STR · #**14747** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 3:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

Oh I just call it a mast whether it's a spire or not. Fine I will just call it a spire.

It IS a mast. Nobody builds 300+ foot tall antennas on office buildings. They build masts, to which antennas are attached. The antenna is only the part that is broadcasting. The non-emitting structure is a mast.

animatedmartian · #**14748** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 12:09 PM**

Klaus Harbo

MadGnome · #**14749** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 12:37 PM**

I'm not even sure the spire will have much in the way of antennas since the deal with the broadcasters fell through. Two way wireless services will probably mostly be from the ring.

The Grand Architect · #**14750** Posted **Jul 16, 2011, 1:18 PM**

Those last 2 pics animatedmartian posted shows the east portion of the blue cocoon safety wrap being lifted by the cranes to complete the next jump.

Speaking of which, I was busy on these:

We need some building porn around here: