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Old Posted Jun 12, 2011, 1:00 AM
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Definitely needs to be Highfield... If not I too would be extremely upset with a decision to build it off East Main. Come on, we have only one chance to do this right lets not mess it up!!!

I really hope the city checks out this forum, I know the media seems to.
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Public Meeting re: Events Centre

Just wondering if anyone will be attending next week's public meeting at City Hall re: ideas for a new downtown facility/events centre.

I am trying to get confirmation of the date and time. The story from the transcript says Wednesday, June 16th at 6pm however June 16th is actually Thursday. I'm assuming it will be in the Transcript Monday or Tuesday. In the meantime if anyone finds out if you can please post it here.

I just tweeted Mayor George LeBlanc so I might have an answer sooner than later.

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Old Posted Jun 12, 2011, 2:57 PM
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Are the numbers for years prior to 2011 full year, or jan-to-june?
The "housing starts" numbers from CMHC are year-to-date May 31 for every year shown. I'm told that these numbers are verifed each month by CMHC staff when they observe a foundation in place on a particular site. These housing start numers are different from building permit numbers, which are recorded in the month a building permit is issued. Sometimes construction only begins a month or more after a building permit is issued.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2011, 2:58 PM
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A few comments regarding the proposed downtown events centre. 1. Closer to downtown the better!. 2. Do whatever it takes to encourage use of the downtown restaurants and bars pre and post events. That is, have the main entrance to the building on the downtown side. For example, if the Highfield Square location is used - have the entrance on the East side of the building. As well, build the parking garages on the downtown side of the building!!! Perhaps even a pedestrian bridge over the tracks to the ALC building for added incentive to get people downtown. The last thing I want to see is the main entrance and parking lots on the Vaughan Harvey side where people drive in from the suburbs, go into the event then drive back home. 3. Build condos on top of the arena like they are currently proposing for the Vancouver's Rogers Centre. We need more people downtown period! I lived on Main Street across from the Capitol Theater for 5 years and I spent a lot of money in the restaurants and bars on Main. We need more of that!! No matter what the city does, downtown will only be successful if we have people living there and spending their money after 5pm when the offices shut down and on weekends. 4. Make sure the design of the building is urban in nature with the facade not a featureless brick wall. Have retail built right into the design and ensure the building goes right up to the sidewalk. Not a suburban style set back from the road. 5. I like the hotel concept as well but I don't think they should build a big bar/restaurant which will just hurt the existing downtown restaurants/bars. 6. I would like for the capacity to be as large as possible but at the same time feel comfortable for the vast majority of the events. i.e. the Wildcats games which I attend frequently. Wildcats average about 4500 people so ensure the lower bowl fits that amount then curtain off somehow the upper bowl that fits the rest. The best atmosphere is always when a rink feels at capacity. A game is more exciting when a 4000 seat rink is jam packed versus having 5000 in a 10,000 arena. 1000 people more but spread out just not the same. Realize we want a large arena (10,000) for special acts that will come along every once in a while. If it is well designed, the building should be adequate for both situations.
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Not really on topic, but I was thinking of some ideas. what does everyone think:
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2011, 11:23 PM
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@ MonctonDowntown:

First off, welcome to the forum!

Secondly, I agree with most everything in your post. That's why I am fearful of any (possible) plans to put the new events centre anywhere near East Main Street. Most importantly, this area is not really "downtown" (even if it does fall under the jurisdiction of DMCI). A new arena here would not do anything to build up the density of the core. If anything, it would just contribute further to our already existing "linear downtown".

The downtown needs to be bulked up or densified. That's why the Assomption Lands or Highfield Square would be better options. A facility in either of those locations would help to stimulate adjacent retail and residential growth. East Main Street, not so much.....

@ porchmouse:

Did you ever hear anything back from your tweet to the mayor?

@ josh cat eyes

Good plan.........I think it could work! Now, we just have to convince the province to come up with $10M to build it.
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New federal building takes shape in Shediac
Published Monday June 13th, 2011
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SHEDIAC - Construction of a second building to host employees of the federal Public Service Pension Centre is now underway at 522 Main St. in Shediac, about a kilometre east of the existing federal building.


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The department of Supply and Services are expanding and are building a new building on Main Street in Shediac near Tim Hortons and Pizza Delight. The pension centre is Shediac's largest employer.

Their new building will accommodate 140 workers when it opens in the spring.

The federal government has entered into a 10-year lease agreement with the building's owner, Heartland Developments Inc. of Moncton, starting April 1.

The structure is being built by Corbel Building Systems of Moncton, which is now erecting the steel work for the building.

The three-storey building will be clad in brick and stucco.

It will offer almost 2,300 square metres of space.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2011, 12:22 AM
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Events centre brainstorm planned
Published Monday June 13th, 2011


Public event planned for Thursday, June 16 at city hall
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BY BRENT MAZEROLLE
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You've been hearing the talk about it for years. Now it's time to add your voice to the discussion.

Moncton city council is inviting all Monctonians to a public meeting to discuss the proposed new downtown multi-purpose sports and entertainment centre.

This is your chance to dream - and to tell council what you think should be part of the proposed new facility.

A community meeting has been called for this Thursday, June 16 at 6 p.m. in the council chambers of Moncton city hall, 655 Main Street.

"If you were building a house you'd have a wish list, and then you'd take it to the builder and architect. This is the wish list," City of Moncton spokesman Paul Thomson says.

With the long considered project moving ever closer to becoming a reality, Thomson said, "council felt it was time to really bring the general public in."

It should be noted a wide cross-section of private citizens have been involved in the past, particularly the task force led by well known Moncton resident James Lockyer that determined the desirability and feasibility of such a project in the first place.

Billed as a "blue sky brainstorming session," Thursday's event is about dreaming, Thomson said.

It's already been determined the main sports and entertainment venue within such a facility should have 9,000 seats, and $100 million is the anticipated budget, but beyond that, Thomson said every idea is worth putting on the table.

What do you think should be inside the facility itself? What should be part of the facility's outside space? And what developments should be around the facility?

The possibilities are wide-open and could include retail and restaurants, artistic, cultural and heritage elements, seniors and active living functions, community meeting space, a wall of fame, and public art in various forms - including the building's architecture.

Thomson said the evening will start with brief remarks from Mayor George LeBlanc, followed by a presentation from city manager Jacques Dubé bringing people up to speed on how the city has gotten to this point. As well, Kevin Silliker, the city's director of business development, will briefly show those gathered examples of other such facilities in North America.

Then those in attendance will break out into groups for roundtable discussions.

Last week, George LeBlanc told the annual general meeting of Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc. the time is right to proceed with building a downtown centre.

"Some may suggest the time is not right, that we have a significant infrastructure deficit and this is a want, not a need.

"To that I say, a prosperous and vibrant downtown is a need, not a want," LeBlanc said.
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Anyone interested in going as a group?
This sounds like an important meeting but alas, I am on call that night, so it isn't in the cards for me.....

I'll second anything you have to say though Myles.
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Anyone interested in going as a group?
I'd go, but I'm working too. This is something I would really love to be involved in, especially after following the progress on the forum for so long and with all the ideas we have had for the facility, I know that anyone going who read this forum will be valuable to the discussion.
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So is Moncton Airport affected by the Air Canada strike? Fredericton has said they aren't affected since they're under the Jazz agreements, but I couldn't find anything about Moncton. (A bit worried since I've got my vacation flights to Vegas coming up in 3 weeks and I'm going via Moncton. )
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There were people protesting at the entrance to the airport this morning. I assume they were for Air Canada.
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Good plan.........I think it could work! Now, we just have to convince the province to come up with $10M to build it.
Well I'm not sure how much it would cost, but alot of the infrastructure is already there. If they did it over a couple years, the could spread out the cost. If the got rid of the lanes crossing the highway in the north and added the 2 most southern ramps (the left one and right one on the diagram) and did some repaving in the first year. If they built the new underpass and do some work to the existing ones the second year. And the 3rd year the could finish it.
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Events centre visions closer to reality
Published Tuesday June 14th, 2011


Thursday night's brainstorming session will be another big step for long-awaited project
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Moncton city council and administrators have all been thinking the same thing: the sky's the limit.

They've been dreaming of a downtown events centre that could house a 9,000-seat stadium-style venue for arts, entertainment and sporting events, community spaces, a library, museum, art gallery, the farmers' market, Codiac Transit hub, retail and commercial spaces, and such a centre may soon be a reality.

Mayor George LeBlanc and city council members want to hear from the residents of Metro Moncton at this Thursday's Blue Sky meeting in council chambers at city hall. Anyone with a dream, wish list or vision for the downtown centre is urged to speak their mind at the meeting, beginning at 6 p.m.

Kevin Silliker, the city's director of business and tourism development, says the name Blue Sky conjures the image of thought, when one is "kicking back outside and relaxing, looking up at the sky and contemplating dreams."

"It's been a popular term around here, allowing us to dream a little bit and same for the citizens," said Silliker.

Ideas, concepts and debate about the centre have been brewing for the past two years, ever since council heard a presentation of a report from IBI Group which suggested that Moncton had a lot to gain from building a multi-purpose entertainment and sports facility. The current downtown community would be revitalized with new energy, new businesses would emerge and the tourism industry would see gains. With 420,000 people within a 90-minute drive, and with another 530,000 people living within a secondary market area two to 2-1/2 hours away, IBI reported that there's a niche for Moncton in the events and sport entertainment business if the facility is looked at as a regional centre.

Silliker will present cases of a few North American cities that have recently built, or have started construction on multi-purpose centres, similar to the one Moncton is eyeing.

"We're trying to get people thinking about what ours could be," he said. Two buildings - the John Labatt Centre, completed in 2002, in London, Ont., and the currently under-construction Evansville Arena in Evansville, Indiana - will be looked at. Silliker says Evansville is an interesting case for Moncton to examine as the projects of both cities are related.

"It's a very interesting project as the city is similar in scope and size and since it's under construction now, the data is very current."

In the spring of 2010, after almost a year since the original report was presented, councillors voted unanimously to approve a report compiled by the Downtown Centre Task Force, which detailed a business case for the financial and logistic implementation of a new facility to host both major sporting events and concerts. At this point, the centre was estimated to cost about $80 million and would require funding from all levels of government. Hundreds of letters and e-mails were sent to the city and this newspaper's Forum page, in support of a multi-purpose events centre.

And the ball began rolling, so to speak.

An important step for the centre's future was reached last July, when the Moncton Wildcats inked a 15-year memorandum of understanding to play at a downtown Metro events centre, beginning as early as 2013. Mayor LeBlanc said the arrangement of having the hockey team as a primary tenant was a precondition for the centre's future development.

It also played a role in the fact that the aging Moncton Coliseum can't keep up with the modern stadium marketplace. An incident a few years ago saw country music superstar Brad Paisley pull out of a Moncton concert because of the Coliseum's inadequacies, and the melting ice at the 2006 Memorial Cup and 2009 World Men's Curling Championship all hurt the city's otherwise excellent events reputation. The city has said that renovating the Coliseum would cost close to $40 million and wouldn't create any long-term economic benefits in the downtown core.

As the federal election campaign heated up, so did promises concerning the metro centre. Prime Minister Stephen Harper talked funding for sports arenas across the country. At the time, Regina was seeking federal cash for a new multipurpose stadium that will house the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL. Quebec City was looking for about $170 million from Ottawa to help build a $400-million arena for an NHL team. Edmonton wanted a new $400-million stadium, while Calgary thought about a new arena.

Premier David Alward pledged support for Moncton during his campaign, saying "Moncton has become a world-class host for entertainment and sporting events and will continue to be an important part of New Brunswick tourism."

The minister of social development and MLA for Moncton West, Sue Stultz, is another advocate for the events centre. She said she has long believed the events centre makes sense and said that she'd bring that argument to the Conservative caucus and cabinet.

Speculation about where the centre would be built is endless and many residents assume the centre will replace Highfield Square. Earlier this year, Silliker said the Highfield Square property is a very visible part of the downtown and would like to see it developed into something spectacular.

The city is looking at three possible downtown locations which have not yet been revealed. The mayor won't comment on the possible locations but has agreed about the amount of speculation that the half-vacant Highfield Square property could be one of them. The locations will remain confidential until a deal has been worked out between the city and the property owners.

This March, the events centre project was unanimously approved in principle by city council and next on the to-do list was finding the appropriate funding for the facility. Now, the actual estimated cost the city is looking at is $90 to $95 million, but two things have led to the higher number of $100 million. The city's consultants recommended working a large contingency into the calculations, and the effects of inflation had to be considered.

Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc. confirmed to council that it would provide $2.5 million over 10 years toward the centre.

Council also endorsed a federal funding submission to P3 Canada, a federal Crown corporation whose mandate is to improve the delivery of public infrastructure by achieving better value, timeliness and accountability to taxpayers, through public-private partnerships.

The application seeking $25 million in federal funds was sent to Ottawa in early April, complete with multiple supporting documents including an independent economic impact analysis from Grant Thornton and a business study from Sierra Planning Consultants. The city also sent out an application for the more traditional tri-partite funding, where the financing of the events centre would be split between all three levels of government.

There has been recent talk of a hotel levy, which could bring in roughly $2 million a year to help pay for an events centre and bolster the tourism industry. Raymond Roberge, the head of the Greater Moncton Hoteliers Association and general manager of the Delta Beauséjour Hotel, said last week that if a levy was implemented, the association would commit to supporting a downtown metro centre.

And also just last week, Mayor LeBlanc shared his vision for the centre, which he says would be busy 360 days a year and become a focal point of downtown development.

"Some may suggest the time is not right, that we have a significant infrastructure deficit and this is a want, not a need. To that I say, a prosperous and vibrant downtown is a need, not a want," LeBlanc said as he addressed the annual general meeting of Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc.

LeBlanc notes that he and council are eager to hear from the public at Thursday's Blue Sky meeting.

"We have our financial house in order. We've reduced the tax rate three years in a row. Moncton has a 6.5 per cent growth rate, making our region among the top 10 fastest growing urban centres in the country, way above the national average, but in order to keep growing we have to build this city. I can assure you that your city council is treating this very seriously and it is council that must make a decision. But in order for council to make an informed decision, we need to hear from the community."

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With 420,000 people within a 90-minute drive, and with another 530,000 people living within a secondary market area two to 2-1/2 hours away, IBI reported that there's a niche for Moncton in the events and sport entertainment business if the facility is looked at as a regional centre.
Living in Saint John, it is impressive to see the city of Moncton looking for feedback on the potential project and attempting to engage the community as much as possible.

Isnt the 420K number basically identical for SJ, Fredericton, and Moncton since it is basically just the population of those three cities plus Sussex, etc..?

Well I hope that Moncton can get something done, isnt this realistically one of the worst times in modern history to be attempting to solicit the Federal and Provincial governments for money for an entertainment venue?

I have not been paying close attention if there has been progress I am unaware of but Harper has been very clear he is not interested and the Province is on the verge of bankruptcy.
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Isnt the 420K number basically identical for SJ, Fredericton, and Moncton since it is basically just the population of those three cities plus Sussex, etc..?
Not really. There is no question that the 90 minute limit would include the eastern suburbs of Saint John, but it would not include Fredericton (which is a good two hours away).

90 minutes however would extend into northern NS as far as Truro and would also include portions of central PEI (but not Charlottetown). 90 minutes would also extend as far north as Miramichi.

The 420k figure is valid but should not be considered synonymous with the SJ/Freddy/Moncton triangle.
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Not really. There is no question that the 90 minute limit would include the eastern suburbs of Saint John, but it would not include Fredericton (which is a good two hours away).

90 minutes however would extend into northern NS as far as Truro and would also include portions of central PEI (but not Charlottetown). 90 minutes would also extend as far north as Miramichi.

The 420k figure is valid but should not be considered synonymous with the SJ/Freddy/Moncton triangle.
Interesting...

So it looks as though the numbers are basically the same but include different groups of people. For instance SJ is with 90 minutes of both Fredericton and Moncton. That alone counts for 340,000. Add in Oromocto, St. Stephen, etc.. and you must be getting very close to 375K.

While Moncton clearly has more people within 90 minutes, it really isn't very many more.

Regardless, if anyone attends the meeting please report back.
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Not really on topic, but I was thinking of some ideas. what does everyone think:
That's an interesting suggestion. It would require some pretty significant grade changes in such a small area though. Unfortunately, you really can't do much about realigning any of the corridors: Main/Salisbury, Wheeler/Causeway and the CN mainline without massive disruptions to local traffic, rail traffic, and knocking down a big chunk of the industrial park. Obviously, some kind of terrifying three-level stack might work there, but you'd still need to completely re-route everything for months. Roads you can detour, but trains you can't, or at least without considerable difficulty and expense. Otherwise it's a straightforward parclo interchange that are heavily used all over and are quite effective.

I guess the biggest drawback to this would be that it wouldn't really address the biggest issue at that interchange - periodic flooding. I think a more pragmatic solution would be to elevate Main and Salisbury to the same grade as the tracks and have a level crossing, with Wheeler going underneath directly onto the causeway. Access could then be controlled with some kind of interchange. This would still involve some huge inconveniences, not to mention earthworks, but could be done in stages and would be a lot less costly than huge flyover ramps. Since you'd be tearing the whole place out anyway, you might as well raise the whole show by a meter to avoid future flooding.

Until there's 10,000 people living along Salisbury Road or a permanent 2km backlog up Main and Wheeler at 7pm every day, I don't expect we'll see any design changes at all at that end of the highway. I think we'll see the Halls Creek circle replaced before anything happens there.
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I was over to Chapters at Crystal Palace last night and noticed that they are starting to fence off a portion of the parking lot in preparation for the expansion and renovations to the cinemas. I would say that the new cinema complex will be roughly double the size of the old one.
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