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Old Posted Jun 8, 2011, 2:39 AM
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Haha! I didn't want to sound too judgmental on the Province of NB...but since you brought that point up....I agree on that front as well!

You know, as much as I hated living in Ontario for 2 years, if there was one thing I wish I could bring from that province to NB it is the determination of municipal and federal governments. When they wanted something done they did it, and they did it right the first time. Half assed stuff just didn't seem to happen, at least not while I was living in Toronto. When they needed to widen roads they actually did it right and for more than just a couple hundred metres.

Now, I do know that Ontario is bigger and has a better financial situation. But at the same time I think that governments in each province should do their best to do things right or just don't do them at all!

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I was in Ontario myself last week. Driving along the Gardiner Expressway, it struck me that it looked like it had been several years since the stretch of road I was on had been resurfaced. Now that really begs the question. How can a road in Toronto, one which presumably gets 100x the traffic of any highway in NB, and where the winters are just as bad, manage to build a road that lasts more than a season without needing patching?

And you know, it wasn't just the highways. Regular city streets were in far better condition than their counterparts here.

I expect the answer lies in both their construction, and in the fact that any kind of roadwork has huge traffic and congestion implications. You pony up the extra cash up front to build it right, but you save a pile of money down the line in terms of maintenance and lost productivity to congestion.
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Another example of classic NB half-assed road work: The Berry Mills road @ Horseman.
I absolutely agree about Berry Mills/Horsman being the shining epitome of typical NB half-assedness (is this a real word?)

The new intersection itself is wonderful, Berry Mills at five lanes and Horsman at four with the new access road to Moncton Industrial Park West going to be a divided boulevard. The street lights and traffic lights are great. The new Action Truck Caps HQ is huge and with the new Tim Horton's/Shell service station on the opposite corner, the area would be unrecognizable to anyone who hasn't driven through in the last two years!

but........

Berry Mills reverts to two lanes only 200m away, inbound to Moncton!!!!

I mean - what's up with that!!!

The other week, I went that way to work at the hospital in the morning (because of the roadwork at Evergreen/Mountain) and as I drove down Horsman to Berry Mills, what do my wondering eyes see - but traffic on Berry Mills backed up all the way from Edinburgh Drive to Horsman (and beyond)!!!

In other words - morning rush hour traffic on Berry Mills is as bad as ever!!!!

If they had been really serious about fixing the situation, they would have finished the job and made Berry Mills four lane at least as far as Edinburgh Drive (and ideally Millenium Blvd).

Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

I ended up turning around at the Shell station, backtracking up Horsman to Ryan and took Mountain inbound to work instead. I'm sure it ended up being quicker.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2011, 2:55 PM
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I was so excited when I heard they were finally widening that stretch of Berry Mills and signalizing the intersection at Horseman. I thought for sure this meant extra lanes would be added from that section at least up to Edinburgh. But foolish me! I just never learn to expect disappointment when they are finally "finished" road projects around here.

I mean I can't tell you how many mornings I have sat in a long queue of cars because of all the trucks and vehicles that slow down to make a turn onto Edinburgh. At the very least, a dedicated right turn lane should have been installed at that intersection.

I really fail to see the point of that great double left turn lane off of Horseman onto Berry Mills and then around 200 metres away they squeeze those two lanes of traffic right back to one just in time to get to an equally busy intersection at Edinburgh. What were they thinking?! And if anything, I would say this new "improvement" has made traffic worse in the mornings. They really need to complete this job (and soon) by adding lanes all the way to Edinburgh at least for now. But ideally, as you said, all the way to Millennium would be best.

As for the roads in Toronto, I really don't know what type of pavement they use, but there are stretches of the 401 I drove on that hadn't been resurfaced since the early 1990's or even earlier and they showed minimal signs of degradation.

Also, the province of Ontario uses different road paint, it doesn't wash off like the markings in NB. I know in Moncton the paint seems to wear away within two months of being re-done leaving a very confusing network of roads for those unfamiliar with the area when thru lanes suddenly become turning lanes and so on. I think the markings in Ontario are actually a form of embedded plastic that is melted and hardened into pre-made grooves in the actual surface of the road. But whatever it is, I am surprised a province with as harsh winters as NB wouldn't invest in the same markings. I would think it would be a huge money saver for municipalities to only have to re-do road markings once every couple of years as a opposed to every year following the winter.

It always appears that by the time Moncton gets all of the lines actually painted, the next winter is upon us and the markings are already starting to wear away!

Just my thoughts anyway....
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Time is right for events centre
Published Wednesday June 8th, 2011

Public meetings to share opinions on proposed downtown facility will be held June 16 at Moncton City Hall
by alan cochrane
Times & transcript staff

Mayor George LeBlanc made an impassioned pitch yesterday, asking the people of Moncton to share his vision for a $100-million sports, entertainment and community centre that would be busy 360 days a year and become a focal point of downtown development.

"Some may suggest the time is not right, that we have a significant infrastructure deficit and this is a want, not a need. To that I say, a prosperous and vibrant downtown is a need, not a want," LeBlanc said yesterday as he addressed the annual general meeting of Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc.

"There will always be reasons to wait and not do it now, but I say this is the time, the time is now. If not now, then when."

Speaking to about 100 downtown business and property owners, LeBlanc's presentation included an editorial cartoon from the Times & Transcript showing the downtown centre built onto the back of a tortoise. He joked that the turtle could become the mascot of the centre.

He said the downtown centre would be much more than just a sports and entertainment arena. It could be surrounded by apartment buildings, a seniors' centre, an office tower, retail stores, a museum, art gallery, parking garage, a hall of fame and a tribute to Moncton's heritage. He even suggested its architectural design pay tribute to the old Moncton railroad station that stood for many years before it was demolished to make room for the current Via Rail station behind Highfield Square.

LeBlanc said the Moncton Coliseum is 40 years old and inadequate for many of the events coming to the city. It is too expensive to repair and upgrade and building a new one on the same location would do nothing for downtown redevelopment.

He said the new downtown centre would be the key to revitalizing the downtown.

"Moncton is at an apex, and I would say that it is the most successful city in New Brunswick and one of the most successful cities in the entire country," LeBlanc said.

"We have our financial house in order. We've reduced the tax rate three years in a row. Moncton has a 6.5 per cent growth rate, making our region among the top 10 fastest growing urban centres in the country, way above the national average, but in order to keep growing we have to build this city. I can assure you that your city council is treating this very seriously and it is council that must make a decision. But in order for council to make an informed decision, we need to hear from the community."

The mayor announced that a new round of public consultations on the centre will begin with a meeting next Wednesday, June 16, at 6 p.m. at City Hall. He said people will be given a chance to share their opinions on the centre.

The mayor praised Downtown Moncton Centre-Ville Inc. and the hotel association for promising financial contributions of $2.5 million and $7 million (through a hotel levy) over 10 years respectively toward the multi-use facility.

The city has applied for federal funding, is discussing the plan with the provincial government, analyzed potential sites and is now preparing a business plan for council to review, but it will still be a challenge to find a way to pay for the centre with minimal impact on taxpayers.

The topic of a downtown centre was front and centre at yesterday's DMCI meeting. Board president Louis Leger said Moncton has generated a lot of praise for hosting big events in recent years but the city's economy is largely dependent on a vibrant downtown as a place to do business. To this end, Leger said the time is right for the downtown events centre. He also announced that DMCI will form a new economic vibrancy task force that will work toward attracting more business and development to the downtown.

DMCI executive-director Anne Basque said the downtown has made improvements over the last year and will continue to work toward more growth and development. She attended a recent conference for downtown developers in Chicago where a common theme was the need for safety, cleanliness and vibrancy.

And although it falls just outside of the downtown Moncton core, LeBlanc said he will continue to work to find a way to save the historic Moncton High School building. He also wants to address the situation of downtown buildings and storefronts that are sitting unused.

Personal note - George LeBlanc obviously "get's it".

This has to be a multifunctional facility and development. The big thing right now in cities such as Edmonton, Winnipeg and most recently Hamilton is to have a downtown "entertainment district" centred around the main sports arena for the city. We can accomplish the same thing here (albeit on a smaller scale).

Imagine a new 10,000 seat downtown arena with an attached convention facility and hotel, fronted on the street by a selection of restaurants, pubs and retail stores. Throw in a transit hub, a nearby parking garage, a large open public space and possibly a museum and art galleries and this project would be truly transformative for the downtown core!

The Wildcats have a minimum of 39 home games a year (with up to 16 more in the playoffs). Throw in an NBL franchise with perhaps 20 home games (plus playoffs), a dozen concerts a year and a few major conventions and this facility could be busy over 100 nights a year. Think of what this would mean for the city!

Let's git'er done Moncton!
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Just did a drive down Dieppe Blvd and things are really hopping over there!

- The new Dieppe Operations Centre is under construction.
- There is some type of retail plaza under construction as well.
- There is a major expansion under way at the Irving HQ building at the corner of Dieppe/Champlain. I'd say that the footprint of the building will increase by at least 50%.
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And did you read the uninformed comments on the T&T web site concerning the Mayor's vision of this downtown event center? I was going to post a comment myself, but chances are, the T&T's admin will fail to post it again.

2 years ago we were talking about a 9000 seat 75$ million project. Today, it's a 10,000 seat 100$ million project.

The longer we wait, the more it will cost.

If the Mayor is reading this, please, please, please don't build anything below 10,000 seats. 10k is the magic number which is perfect. AND don't go cheap on the seating arrangements. I need leg room and elbow room. That's all I ask. Make me comfortable and I'll be the first in line to buy season tickets to the Wildcats and NBL.

I live downtown and I'm 100% approving this project. We need this ASAP.
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10,000 is indeed the magic number. It sounds a lot more substantive than 9,000 and would likely be more marketable for major acts.

I know that some major events (like the Brier) refuse to look at any arenas with seating of less than 10,000. Moncton has hosted the World Men's Curling Championship twice. I'd be willing to bet that we won't host it again unless our new arena seats at least 10,000.
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I really hope this events centre pans out. This is exactly what Moncton needs and in my opinion, it is the right time for such a development. I am glad that the current Mayor of the city seems to understand how important it is to strengthen the downtown core.

I would love to see it built where Highfield Square is presently. That part of town is so run down and it is being underused! It basically houses nothing more than a run-down half empty dated looking mall and The Bay. The parking lots are expansive and take up vast amounts of prime land and are never full.

If you look at aerial shots of that part of downtown you don't have to be a professional city planner to realize that all of the paved above ground parking is such an inefficient use of prime downtown land! Lets get the events centre with perhaps another on-site hotel, some high rise commercial office space and even residential buildings. Plus, build a nice parking garage to accommodate cars.

Moncton needs to get away from all that above ground parking in the downtown...It looks horrible and is a really, really big detriment to a city that is trying to increase the density of its downtown core. Underground parking and parking structures are definitely the way to go.

Come on Moncton, Let's do this and do it right!
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In reference to the events centre, I am ignorant about construction times. Once financing, design and site selection is complete, how long would it take to build? Are we looking at 5 or more years away?
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Multiple Housing Starts as recorded by CMHC

The graph below illustrates Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation's record of multiple unit housing starts for the Fredericton CA, the Moncton CMA and the Saint John CMA. Note that "multiple" category includes duplexes that become semi-detached housing. The Moncton CMA leads New Brunswick in the construction of semi-detached housing which explains some of Moncton's larger multiple numbers - two thirds of urban multiple starts year to date.


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Are the numbers for 2011 YTD, or an estimate?

EDIT: Stupid question. I really should read the graph first.

Are the numbers for years prior to 2011 full year, or jan-to-june?
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Time is right for events centre
Published Wednesday June 8th, 2011

Public meetings to share opinions on proposed downtown facility will be held June 16 at Moncton City Hall
by alan cochrane
Times & transcript staff

Mayor George LeBlanc made an impassioned pitch yesterday, asking the people of Moncton to share his vision for a $100-million sports, entertainment and community centre that would be busy 360 days a year and become a focal point of downtown development.

"Some may suggest the time is not right, that we have a significant infrastructure deficit and this is a want, not a need. To that I say, a prosperous and vibrant downtown is a need, not a want," LeBlanc said yesterday as he addressed the annual general meeting of Downtown Moncton Centreville Inc.

"There will always be reasons to wait and not do it now, but I say this is the time, the time is now. If not now, then when."

Speaking to about 100 downtown business and property owners, LeBlanc's presentation included an editorial cartoon from the Times & Transcript showing the downtown centre built onto the back of a tortoise. He joked that the turtle could become the mascot of the centre.

He said the downtown centre would be much more than just a sports and entertainment arena. It could be surrounded by apartment buildings, a seniors' centre, an office tower, retail stores, a museum, art gallery, parking garage, a hall of fame and a tribute to Moncton's heritage. He even suggested its architectural design pay tribute to the old Moncton railroad station that stood for many years before it was demolished to make room for the current Via Rail station behind Highfield Square.

LeBlanc said the Moncton Coliseum is 40 years old and inadequate for many of the events coming to the city. It is too expensive to repair and upgrade and building a new one on the same location would do nothing for downtown redevelopment.

He said the new downtown centre would be the key to revitalizing the downtown.

"Moncton is at an apex, and I would say that it is the most successful city in New Brunswick and one of the most successful cities in the entire country," LeBlanc said.

"We have our financial house in order. We've reduced the tax rate three years in a row. Moncton has a 6.5 per cent growth rate, making our region among the top 10 fastest growing urban centres in the country, way above the national average, but in order to keep growing we have to build this city. I can assure you that your city council is treating this very seriously and it is council that must make a decision. But in order for council to make an informed decision, we need to hear from the community."

The mayor announced that a new round of public consultations on the centre will begin with a meeting next Wednesday, June 16, at 6 p.m. at City Hall. He said people will be given a chance to share their opinions on the centre.

The mayor praised Downtown Moncton Centre-Ville Inc. and the hotel association for promising financial contributions of $2.5 million and $7 million (through a hotel levy) over 10 years respectively toward the multi-use facility.

The city has applied for federal funding, is discussing the plan with the provincial government, analyzed potential sites and is now preparing a business plan for council to review, but it will still be a challenge to find a way to pay for the centre with minimal impact on taxpayers.

The topic of a downtown centre was front and centre at yesterday's DMCI meeting. Board president Louis Leger said Moncton has generated a lot of praise for hosting big events in recent years but the city's economy is largely dependent on a vibrant downtown as a place to do business. To this end, Leger said the time is right for the downtown events centre. He also announced that DMCI will form a new economic vibrancy task force that will work toward attracting more business and development to the downtown.

DMCI executive-director Anne Basque said the downtown has made improvements over the last year and will continue to work toward more growth and development. She attended a recent conference for downtown developers in Chicago where a common theme was the need for safety, cleanliness and vibrancy.

And although it falls just outside of the downtown Moncton core, LeBlanc said he will continue to work to find a way to save the historic Moncton High School building. He also wants to address the situation of downtown buildings and storefronts that are sitting unused.

Personal note - George LeBlanc obviously "get's it".

This has to be a multifunctional facility and development. The big thing right now in cities such as Edmonton, Winnipeg and most recently Hamilton is to have a downtown "entertainment district" centred around the main sports arena for the city. We can accomplish the same thing here (albeit on a smaller scale).

Imagine a new 10,000 seat downtown arena with an attached convention facility and hotel, fronted on the street by a selection of restaurants, pubs and retail stores. Throw in a transit hub, a nearby parking garage, a large open public space and possibly a museum and art galleries and this project would be truly transformative for the downtown core!

The Wildcats have a minimum of 39 home games a year (with up to 16 more in the playoffs). Throw in an NBL franchise with perhaps 20 home games (plus playoffs), a dozen concerts a year and a few major conventions and this facility could be busy over 100 nights a year. Think of what this would mean for the city!

Let's git'er done Moncton!
Its really cool about the part of the design of the arena looking like a railway station!!! Does everyone remember when I posted that idea here? I posted some pics of the station in montreal and of American Airlines Arena in Dallas.
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Events Centre - Highfield square- CNR building.. Coincidence?

A little food for thought.. Hopefully the City is Reading.

Well i must point out .. I love the Mayor's Idea.. as MOncton RAD has said.. GEORGE LEBLANC GETS IT!!!

Now on the note of the "insert-name-here" events centre.. The Mayor indicated he wanted it to look like " It belonged" downtown as well as take on the look of the Former train station? . well going back a few 100 pages.. someone displayed a pic of the Labatts Centre in London, Ont.and how well it fit in their downtown core. Well the Ass-end of that stadium .. does look quite a bit like the former CNR head offices that used to be on Main street ( Highfield square/ CN terminal ) .. HINT HINT HINT!!!!!.. ** the bay would look good here too.. **..

lets do some photo comparisson.





The first picture would be the Corner of Main and Highfield.
here is the other side..

"front" of Centre - Facing either the Tracks/ Riverview... or West * looking at Sobeys/ Shoppers) .




Thoughts??
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Well, the John LaBatt Centre is the right size (10,000 seat) and was designed to fit into the urban core, just like what we want here. As you have said, Somebody several hundred pages back did superimpose the LaBatt Centre over the Highfield Square site and it looked as if it belonged there.

Also, as Josh mentioned, it's intriguing that the Mayor suggested a railway motif for the project, something that was also suggested here. The media does pay attention to our thread and I think city hall does as well. This might not be a coincidence.

The Highfield Square site is the largest single block of land available in the core. As such, there would be no headaches over accumulating the land necessary for such a large project. The downtown Codiac Transit terminal is already at Highfield. It would therefore be natural to incorporate a new transit hub in the events centre at the same location. Highfield is big enough for the arena as well as a hotel/convention facility, parking garage, transit hub and public square. I think the events centre belongs there.

I approve of the concept of a railway theme for the project. This would be especially appropriate if the events centre were built at Highfield where the old ICR headquarters was located. Saint John unfortunately has already appropriated the "station" name for their arena. Personally, I think the new events centre should be called The Hub. This would also play homage to Moncton's past as the railway hub for the Maritimes.
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New industrial lands now available
Published Friday June 10th, 2011

Dieppe Industrial Park expansion opens 150 new acres for development
By James Foster
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Work is picking up steam on extending Aviation Boulevard, a move that will create 150 acres of new industrial-zoned land in Dieppe.

Already, Malley Industries, a long-time Dieppe Industrial Park tenant, has moved on to the extension of the street and into their new, greatly expanded plant, and industrial park officials say a number of new firms are expressing interest in setting up shop along the extension.

Some pending land sales are "moving along nicely," says Louis Godbout, director of business development with the Economic Development Corporation of the City of Dieppe, with an announcement to be made soon on another new tenant moving into the newly available lots.

Other than the availability of new industrial lots, there are other reasons that the expansion represents one of the keys to future growth in the city, including the fact that the existing section of the industrial park is pretty much full, and the extension creates an industrial park with an international airport smack in the middle of it. Considering the existing rail and ground transportation facilities that are already there - the park is home to about 40 local, national and international trucking companies and CN has a rail line directly into the park - it leaves DIP in an enviable position compared to some other industrial parks in Canada.

It also fits well into efforts by the city and regional economic development agencies to create a node of air-services industries in the area around the airport, not to mention the Greater Moncton International Airport's own efforts to grow its cargo business into the biggest in Atlantic Canada.

The new lots are being touted as ideal for any company involved in transportation, distribution, warehousing, air cargo, light manufacturing and aerospace.

The almost $6 million project is being jointly funded by the city, the province and the federal government.

The work going on now is taking place north of the airport runways and near the junction of Highway 15 (Veterans' Highway) and Highway 2 (the Trans-Canada Highway,) and will extend Aviation Boulevard, the main street leading to the airport, for almost two kilometres, almost as far northeast as the TCH, with the potential for access and egress to and from the interprovincial four-lane highway at some point in the future.

The lots can be tailored to the needs of any firm wanting to set up there and the land sells for $40,000 per acre.

Some of the lots offer high visibility as they will front onto the highway, while others can offer direct access to the airport's taxiway. Lot sizes range from 2.5 acres up to 15 acres at this point, Godbout says.

So far, all the infrastructure such as sewer, water, natural gas, electricity and the like has been done, with curbing and asphalting starting within the next two weeks.
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Council talks Mountain Woods development
Published Friday June 10th, 2011

Conditions added to developer's plans for Ensley Drive extension
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Concern over a water pump had Moncton city council add a condition to the developer's plans in the expansion of the Mountain Woods subdivision near Magnetic Hill, specifically an extension off of Ensley Drive.

The executive director of the Greater Moncton Planning District Commission explained to councillors in Monday night's regular meeting the details of the minor changes to two development areas of Mountain Woods.

Bill Budd says that the development off of Ensley will see three 36-unit apartment buildings, instead of the planned single-family dwellings, and is to have a private water distribution system installed by the developer, Genivar, on behalf of Waterstone Developments.

The second change is the development continuing on Auberry Street, which intersects Chateau Drive, just off of Gorge Road. Instead of building condominium units, the developer has opted for 20 semi-detached units and 40 townhouses. What worried councillors are the issues surrounding a private water system for the three apartment buildings.

Councillor Nancy Hoar suggested that within the zoning amendment for the area, there should be a condition stating, "If the quantity or pressure of the water is affected in any way because of the development, the developer will be required to bring the water line from Ensley Drive immediately."

Even with this proposed condition, Mayor George LeBlanc voiced his problem with the water pump. He had reservations about the fact that there doesn't seem to be any residential zones in Moncton that have used a water pump.

"I'm a little uncomfortable using a private pump in a residential space, as when there's a problem, it will come back to us."

The city's director of design and construction said once the developer is notified of such a problem, it will take a minimum three to four months to connect the housing to the main water line.

"It's more of an operational issue on their end, not ours," Alcide Richard said. "The long-term plan is to connect it to watermain from Ensley, anyway."

Richard also stated that this condition would not have a negative effect in the design plan. Budd says if all goes as planned, the developer intends to proceed with construction on the two areas this summer.
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Regarding the events centre:

It's interesting that twice in the last several weeks, the "Sleuth" in the T&T had made obscure and obtuse comments about the events centre being built "somewhere off East Main Street". Doing this once might be considered as being off the cuff. Doing this twice however makes me wonder if there is not something afoot......

Also, although Valmond Robichaud's condo proposal for East Main was announced first, it seems that he may be preparing to move forward on his Dominion Street location instead. Why is this?

I may just be "loosely associating" here, but one does have to wonder if these two observations could be connected......

I wonder if a decision has not already been made to build the events centre on East Main Street.

I personally hope not. As far as I'm concerned, East Main Street would be a poor third choice for this complex. Either the Highfield Square site or the lands behind Assomption Place would be superior IMHO.
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I personally hope not. As far as I'm concerned, East Main Street would be a poor third choice for this complex. Either the Highfield Square site or the lands behind Assomption Place would be superior IMHO.
Agreed. Personally i'll be let-down if it's not at Highfield.
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