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steveve · #**13181** Posted **Apr 20, 2011, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by alphachapmtl

I find the new 1 WTC to be a quite unremarkable building, in every respect.
I remember 4 projects selected and abandoned soon after 9/11.
Each of those 4 projects was far superior to what is currently being built.
(they reminded me of the Rockefeller center, a lasting masterpiece).
It is sad for New York to go ahead with such a weak and unsatisfactory project.
It certainly reflect the decline of New York and of the US.

what would you prefer? this?

and i agree that all the haters should wait till the whole complex is completed. these things will be stunners with their scale and all.
i bet no one will be complaining in 2015, they'll be amazed.

NYguy · #**13182** Posted **Apr 20, 2011, 9:09 PM**

Picture from wtc.com (April 7)

Fishman92 · #**13183** Posted **Apr 20, 2011, 9:18 PM**

Yeah, every one seemed to hate the twin towers as they were going up and before, but now they say they want them back. They should face it: They're not coming back. Put yourself in the position of someone directly effected by 9/11. Would you want to go out, see those buildings and be forced to remember what happened every day?

I think this is a fitting tribute. It brings back life to the place.

Jay in Cowtown · #**13184** Posted **Apr 20, 2011, 9:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fishman92

Yeah, every one seemed to hate the twin towers as they were going up and before, but now they say they want them back. They should face it: They're not coming back. Put yourself in the position of someone directly effected by 9/11. Would you want to go out, see those buildings and be forced to remember what happened every day?

I think this is a fitting tribute. It brings back life to the place.

Well said.

patriotizzy · #**13185** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 12:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Fishman92

Yeah, every one seemed to hate the twin towers as they were going up and before, but now they say they want them back. They should face it: They're not coming back. Put yourself in the position of someone directly effected by 9/11. Would you want to go out, see those buildings and be forced to remember what happened every day?

I think this is a fitting tribute. It brings back life to the place.

I agree everyone should move on, however, your argument doesn't really make sense. There is going to be a a giant memorial in the WTC complex, that is going to be a reminder of the events of 911. So saying that they shouldn't bring them back because of the memories is kind of pointless. Just to make things clear, I fell in love with the new WTC the instant I saw the first renders of the chosen design.

yarabundi · #**13186** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 1:16 AM**

It seems like there ner will be a consensus about these new towers -especially this one !! I personally find it horrible but it really doesn't matter. The real and only important opinion is the one from the citizens of the Big Apple. After all, they are the one who will look at it all the time. If most of the New-Yorkers are agreeing with the design then all have been said !!

sw5710 · #**13187** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 1:44 AM**

You will never find a consensus in any building.

mrnyc · #**13188** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 1:45 AM**

what a ridiculous exaggeration -- noone finds this tower "horrible" and i bet you dont either. bland maybe, but nothing worse.

i thought it bland myself from the renders. however, if you have no done so yet you really ought to get down to the site and take a good look. the glass and materials they are using are first class and already it really shows. it will be handsome tower just like stern's cpw apt building is a handsome cpw building.

NYYskyline · #**13189** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by steveve

what would you prefer? this?

and i agree that all the haters should wait till the whole complex is completed. these things will be stunners with their scale and all.
i bet no one will be complaining in 2015, they'll be amazed.

that design was just flat-out horrible. If that went forward and built, the terrorits would have won.

gramsjdg · #**13190** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 4:33 AM**

I think the design of WTC1 is fine, what bothers me is the roof height. Back in the 70's, or even the 80's, 1300-1400 ft was pretty significant, but in light of the last 20 years, and China, Dubai, and Singapore, it's an also-ran. Spire or no spire, its still a 1300ft building. In that sense, those who destroyed the original towers did win. But that's just my opinion. If I had my drothers, this building would be scaled to the 2000 ft U.S. height limit, putting the roof at around 1540ft, and the observation deck at around 1440 ft -nothing extreme about that kind of a height bump- but its way to late for that now. I just hope someone is willing to break the 1400 ft roof barrier in NYC before the next ice age.

sw5710 · #**13191** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 5:01 AM**

I don't go for the im taller so im better then you thing other cities around the world are doing with eachother.

Zapatan · #**13192** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 6:17 AM**

^yea but it should have been at least a little taller than the old WTC, even 100 feet would have been nice... but it's not that big of a deal and it's a little late for could'ves

There are still only a handful of buildings in the world that are really that much bigger than 1368 feet,(let alone 1776) it in itself is massive and will make the 750 foot buildings nearby look like lowrises, like the original twins. In any case, I'm all down for 4 skyscrapers instead of 2 (maybe 5)

sw5710 · #**13193** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 6:36 AM**

7 WTC it looked tall till 1 WTC passed it 2 weeks ago. The next 2 floors of steel could start in the morning. These floors onward will really start to change that 750' skyline in that part of town now.

The Grand Architect · #**13194** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 12:41 PM**

There isn't any point to be arguing about it now- the entire complex is already being built, and there's no turning back. I mean you could, and you could get some agreements on your point of view, but overall, your argument isn't going to change the outcome of the entire project.

RockMont · #**13195** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 2:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by steveve

what would you prefer? this?

and i agree that all the haters should wait till the whole complex is completed. these things will be stunners with their scale and all.
i bet no one will be complaining in 2015, they'll be amazed.

My thoughts, and response exactly. I wasn't happy that the restaurant was taken out of the equation, but when the #1 tower is done in '13 or '14, I'm anticipating seeing an observation deck or something in it that outdoes the original twin towers. I don't know what it is yet, but there is bound to be something that takes us by storm.

aquablue · #**13196** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 5:46 PM**

I agree. The roof height is dissapointing. I think the ideal height would have been around 500m to roof close to Shanghai WFC/HK ICC in size. I mean, it is entirely underwhelming when Shenzhen has 1 600m tower U/C another proposed, and Shanghai is doing the same!

Also, the USA having a height limit is pathetic! If other countries can operate planes safely and have buildings over 800m (Dubai with its very busy airport) so is Shenzhen, etc. the silly height limit is just another example of silly overly cautious approach. The USA will never match up to its Asian peers in building heights, even if we had the financial ability or need to.

For skyscraper enthusiasts who want to be around the future of construction, it seems you really have to be in the Middle East or East Asia. The USA has become the country of continual sprawl and low rise office parks will continue as suburbanization will. If you love watching your city be competitive and ambitious in building these super structures, your out of luck unless you move.

Onn · #**13197** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by aquablue

I agree. The roof height is dissapointing. I think the ideal height would have been around 500m to roof close to Shanghai WFC/HK ICC in size. I mean, it is entirely underwhelming when Shenzhen has 1 600m tower U/C another proposed, and Shanghai is doing the same!

Also, the USA having a height limit is pathetic! If other countries can operate planes safely and have buildings over 800m (Dubai with its very busy airport) so is Shenzhen, etc. the silly height limit is just another example of silly overly cautious approach. The USA will never match up to its Asian peers in building heights, even if we had the financial ability or need to.

For skyscraper enthusiasts who want to be around the future of construction, it seems you really have to be in the Middle East or East Asia. The USA has become the country of continual sprawl and low rise office parks will continue as suburbanization will. If you love watching your city be competitive and ambitious in building these super structures, your out of luck unless you move.

Oh clamor down, you don't know anything about the future of skyscraper construction! 75% of the supertalls going up in Asia and Dubai have been fueled by an easy credit binge and artificially low currency. It's not going to last and they’re going to pay for the mess they’ve created. Just be patient. The new WTC will be far more amazing than you realize, and will be more iconic around the world in decades ahead than anything else.

Zapatan · #**13198** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 6:50 PM**

^Agreed, I don't know if "dissapointing" is the right word. If you had ever seen one of the twin towers in person, they were fing HUGE. SWFC and ICC are huge yes, and they are barely 200 feet taller than 1WTC, that doesn't make 1 WTC a small building.

I feel like NYC could see more supertalls of the 1400 range in our lifetime so I wouldnt worry about it. I feel like the development of supertalls going up will eventually spur more supertalls, helping to get over NIMBYISM ect. ..if that makes any sense

bunky · #**13199** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 7:16 PM**

Why don't we reserve judgment till: a) It's finished, and b) we've seen it in the flesh.

As of right now, its a monster already. It's final height will fit the context of downtown Manhattan nicely.

15th row of glass going up.

aquablue · #**13200** Posted **Apr 21, 2011, 8:37 PM**

The Asian skyscrapers may be fueled by easy credit, etc, but at least they don't have the government limiting the ambitions of developers with ridiculous phony height limits that are no longer needed to protect aircraft. If so, how do a cities with a mega hub airport and massive air traffic like Dubai and Shenzhen/HK deal with keeping planes away from their mega talls? It is a dinosaur of a law. Scrap it.