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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 3:45 PM
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Check out the http://circledrive.ca/ webcam. Right now they are starting to install the large steel girders.
Why steel, there is a 50 year old bridge in Winnipeg being replaced BECAUSE it was all steel construction.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 3:49 PM
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Police HQ cost soars
New price tag tops $130 million for larger facility

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
March 31, 2011 9:16 AM


The cost of Saskatoon's police headquarters could now top $130 million.

City of Saskatoon administration will ask council Monday to authorize a new payment plan for the headquarters that will see up to $40 million added to the budget.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/Police...173/story.html
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 3:51 PM
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Why steel, there is a 50 year old bridge in Winnipeg being replaced BECAUSE it was all steel construction.
They are using Stainless
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 4:02 PM
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This is a really fun link, all the city needs is a stellar radio tower and some increased density that showcases impeccable architecture and voila! PARIS II!!!

http://ashleighrajala.com/2011/03/18...-the-prairies/
That is quite funny! It was actually quite surprising to see the similarities...I always thought the reference/comparison was due to our vibrant cultural and arts community and amenities, but I guess we actually DO kind of look like Paris! Let's start the movement for our own little eiffel tower...

Will be interesting to see what now happens with the new police station given the new pricing. Sounds like it is still definitely moving forward with a new funding formula being developed.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 4:07 PM
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Why steel, there is a 50 year old bridge in Winnipeg being replaced BECAUSE it was all steel construction.
Those steel girders should last well over 100 years if properly maintained.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 4:35 PM
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Agree 100%. However, a quick glance at the recent Remai portfolio leads me to believe it will be something less than that.
I've always thought north Clarence was a bit of an eyesore in a good part of town. Lots of traffic, no amenities and filled with 70's-style box apartments. Maybe that will start to slowly change, a la the JB Black development nearby.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 5:24 PM
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I've always thought north Clarence was a bit of an eyesore in a good part of town. Lots of traffic, no amenities and filled with 70's-style box apartments. Maybe that will start to slowly change, a la the JB Black development nearby.
I can't see any of those boxes going away anytime soon. Hopefully the renderings of the College&Clarence Remai project are an indication of their future direction, and the days of those hideous brown (sometimes with yellow and white striped balcony wraps that really pop!) 4 storey walkups are OVER.

Now.... who is it that's building those cookie-cutter 2 storey duplexes all over the city, with the little connector piece between? Not sure I like em at all, cept for their nod toward density.
     
     
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Why steel, there is a 50 year old bridge in Winnipeg being replaced BECAUSE it was all steel construction.
That bridge was probably designed for a 50 year lifespan. Also there are many other factors as to why it needs replacing but I haven't researched this specific bridge.

Because concrete has no tensile strength, it only works under compression. A beam under bending has to overcome both tensile and compressive forces. In order to span the distance of the supports, you have to use steel unless you make more supports, and make concrete arches that support the load by (almost) pure compression. You can use reinforcing bar to take the tensile forces on a concrete beam, but when you span that sort of distance, it's no longer economical. The amount of concrete plus the increased labor results in an a significant increase in cost. In addition to this, concrete structures also require a certain amount of maintenance due to our climate. Concrete also has more uncertainty, as the material can vary due to how it's mixed, conditions when pouring and curring, and the accuracy of the dimension (of the forms). Steel is made and tested in a factory, concrete is in this case is not. Steel also has better cyclical loading properties than concrete ( if you jump on concrete a bunch, it'll fail sooner than if you jumped on a steel beam a whole bunch)

This bridge isn't going to be a signature bridge, therefore the architects and engineers designed it based on economics and, most likely, 100 year life span. Sure a concrete arch bridge would have been nice, but it wasn't worth it. Most people won't see much of that bridge anyway unless they are driving on it (you can't see it from other bridges or from downtown very well)

Essentially the answer to your question: It's cheaper, faster, and more reliable.

In other news, rumor is that FIAT is moving into 2nd avenue lofts beside the lobby.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 6:33 PM
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In other news, rumor is that FIAT is moving into 2nd avenue lofts beside the lobby.
Help me out here. Is there some other FIAT besides the Italian car maker?
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Those steel girders should last well over 100 years if properly maintained.
Luckily Saskatoon has a much milder climate than Winnipeg or Minneapolis where road salt is used!
     
     
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Those steel girders should last well over 100 years if properly maintained.
agreed our bridge issue is the result of a city not investing properly in maintance for 30yrs
     
     
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That bridge was probably designed for a 50 year lifespan. Also there are many other factors as to why it needs replacing but I haven't researched this specific bridge.

Because concrete has no tensile strength, it only works under compression. A beam under bending has to overcome both tensile and compressive forces. In order to span the distance of the supports, you have to use steel unless you make more supports, and make concrete arches that support the load by (almost) pure compression. You can use reinforcing bar to take the tensile forces on a concrete beam, but when you span that sort of distance, it's no longer economical. The amount of concrete plus the increased labor results in an a significant increase in cost. In addition to this, concrete structures also require a certain amount of maintenance due to our climate. Concrete also has more uncertainty, as the material can vary due to how it's mixed, conditions when pouring and curring, and the accuracy of the dimension (of the forms). Steel is made and tested in a factory, concrete is in this case is not. Steel also has better cyclical loading properties than concrete ( if you jump on concrete a bunch, it'll fail sooner than if you jumped on a steel beam a whole bunch)

This bridge isn't going to be a signature bridge, therefore the architects and engineers designed it based on economics and, most likely, 100 year life span. Sure a concrete arch bridge would have been nice, but it wasn't worth it. Most people won't see much of that bridge anyway unless they are driving on it (you can't see it from other bridges or from downtown very well)

Essentially the answer to your question: It's cheaper, faster, and more reliable.

In other news, rumor is that FIAT is moving into 2nd avenue lofts beside the lobby.
winnipegs heavy into precast concreat construction though witch prolly why were going with concreat

lafarge has a sizeable yard were they make the stuff
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2011, 8:10 PM
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Fiat is starting to sell cars here. I saw a new Fiat 500 in Regina the other day.
In Regina they are being sold out of Triple 7 Chrysler (Dilawri family). I assume the Chrysler dealer in Saskatoon is selling them up there.
     
     
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Luckily Saskatoon has a much milder climate than Winnipeg or Minneapolis where road salt is used!
Huh? Milder climate? I like that they don't salt here, but I'm pretty certain its not because we're milder (in fact if we were milder they'd probably use more salt since its really only very effective in milder climates anyhow).
     
     
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By Cassandra Kyle, The StarPhoenix
March 31, 2011


A proposed River Landing office building is being billed as a potential Saskatoon “landmark” after it was tweaked to meet
strict city architectural guidelines for the south downtown.
Photograph by: Submitted, The StarPhoenix


Terry Scaddan isn’t a Realtor, but he does understand the theory behind the real estate adage “location, location, location” — especially if that location is downtown.

Scaddan, executive director of The Partnership, the downtown business association, says the idea of at least 750,000 square feet of new office space being developed in the city’s centre is promising. [...]

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their calling that design a land mark sad
     
     
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their calling that design a land mark sad
Ha...yeah...no, it is not anything like a landmark. It is ok but it is the sort of generic modern office development that is a dime a dozen in any number of office parks or suburban developments. Don't get me wrong, it could be much worse but it is no landmark.

On another note I think Saskatoon missed a huge opportunity with the design of the new bridge, but ah well, that ship has sailed.
     
     
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their calling that design a land mark sad
Well, it is April Fools Day.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2011, 4:20 PM
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their calling that design a land mark sad
They must have read your post.
The story is updated here.
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I went up to the "Weird House" on College and Clarence to see what was happening and the story is it has to be moved by the end of March or it will have to be demolished. Apparently the owner is going to move it out of town somewhere and is going to leave it up on blocks till he decides a use for it.
Did it get moved yesterday? I drove past at around 5:30pm and it was still sitting there, just like the workers . It looked like they had a trailer getting ready though.
     
     
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