The US Census Bureau thread

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by themaguffin

Ugh, Sigh. Here we go again. Not every city in a region is the same. Jesus, is that breaking news here???

Pittsburgh is not a coastal city, nor is it as big as its coastal peers, however the Northeast is home to a lot of cities on the coast, inland, in flat and mountain-like areas. Seriously, I would expect simplistic definitions of a region in City Data, but not here.

It's smack dab in the middle of Appalachia! It's Appalachian! Appalachia is a region and there are a gazillion books out there about it.

Also all regions border other regions and some cities are near the border, like Pittsburgh and DC are to other regions and share some influence from the neighboring region.

Again, so what? Pittsburgh is in the middle of a distinct region, which is Appalachia. The Great Lakes region overlaps the geographical Midwest and Northeast too, but it's still a distinct region.

"Big city Appalachia" is a ridiculous term to describe Pittsburgh, which is why I have never heard the term before now.

Well, apparently you've never read Pittsburgh's wikipedia page:

Regionally, it anchors the largest urban area of Appalachia[8] and the Ohio River Valley, and nationally, it is the 22nd-largest urban area in the United States.

[urbanactivist]

Originally Posted by Trae

DFW has some pretty big suburbs. Especially for a metro area of about 6.3 million. There were some just a few thousand below 100K, too (like Richardson).

Leeches.

It makes me sick to think that an amorphous non-centralized tax haven like Arlington can claim itelf as a "city" and therefore be larger than established urban centers like St. Louis, New Orleans or Cincinnati. Makes. No. Sense. At. All.

And yeah, I know I live in Houston. But dammit this city has something of an urban heart.

Ok, I need some lunch

[BevoLJ]

Originally Posted by Trae

Texas.

Even In-N-Out is invading Texas now, building a new distribution center in the DFW area with 12 locations around the Metroplex (and spreading to other parts of the state in a few years most likely). The Californication of Texas continues.

Oh, I would give just about anything for an In and Out in Austin. Carl's Jr was in Austin recently looking to move its HQ here. They have a bunch of places here now but it is not half as good as I remembered them being when I lived in LA. To be honest I have eaten at Carl's Jr. locations around town 3 times in the past couple years and all 3 times it was horrible. I am not sure why I liked it so much back in college (that I was smoking lots of pot back then may explain it). In and Out was my favorite and one of the very few fast food places I like.

Sorry for the off topic. But it is lunch time and reading a mention of an In and Out was bad timing on my part. =)

[Buckeye Native 001]

In-N-Out's expansion is diluting its quality. Say what you will about the burgers, at least they always tasted fresh.

[iheartthed]

Guess I'll take this one. Wisconsin is released:

Data for Wisconsin show that the five most populous incorporated places and their 2010 Census counts are Milwaukee, 594,833; Madison, 233,209; Green Bay, 104,057; Kenosha, 99,218; and Racine, 78,860. Milwaukee decreased by 0.4 percent since the 2000 Census. Madison grew by 12.1 percent, Green Bay grew by 1.7 percent, Kenosha grew by 9.8 percent, and Racine decreased by 3.7 percent.

The largest county is Milwaukee, with a population of 947,735. Its population grew by 0.8 percent since 2000. The other counties in the top five include Dane, with a population of 488,073 (increase of 14.4 percent); Waukesha, 389,891 (increase of 8.1 percent); Brown, 248,007 (increase of 9.4 percent); and Racine, 195,408 (increase of 3.5 percent).

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...117753693.html

Milwaukee shrank slightly, but nothing like the declines in Chicago and Cleveland; it was projected to have grown slightly this decade though.

[Antares41]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I don't think Allentown, PA shares many characteristics with New York City, but its not too hard to imagine the two being in the same region.

Given the population growth that Allentown, Bethlehem and the rest of Lehigh Valley is experiencing over the past 10 years due in great part to the exodus of people from the NYC Metro area (in search of affordable housing). Whatever characteristic differences they were in terms of demographics is very likely diminishing.

[ColDayMan]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

^Wasn't there that bad flood, too? What year was that?

It was three years prior in 1997.

[lawfin]

Originally Posted by JivecitySTL

I think the only Midwestern characteristics of Pittsburgh are demographic. Unlike most of the major cities of the East, Pittsburgh has a relatively low immigrant/foreign born population, which is more consistent with some major Midwest cities.

Actually, I take that back. Pittsburgh has a lot of architecture in common with Saint Louis and Cincinnati, although I guess one could also argue that those cities have some eastern qualities as well.

Yeah Because Chicago as we know has no immigrants

[lawfin]

Originally Posted by BevoLJ

Oh, I would give just about anything for an In and Out in Austin. Carl's Jr was in Austin recently looking to move its HQ here. They have a bunch of places here now but it is not half as good as I remembered them being when I lived in LA. To be honest I have eaten at Carl's Jr. locations around town 3 times in the past couple years and all 3 times it was horrible. I am not sure why I liked it so much back in college (that I was smoking lots of pot back then may explain it). In and Out was my favorite and one of the very few fast food places I like.

Sorry for the off topic. But it is lunch time and reading a mention of an In and Out was bad timing on my part. =)

Saying in-and-out has great burgers is like saying olive garden or red lobster have great italian or seafood respectively......

it's sad but most of america thinks this

[pip]

Originally Posted by lawfin

Yeah Because Chicago as we know has no immigrants

^maybe you didn't notice the word some.

Pittsburgh has a relatively low immigrant/foreign born population, which is more consistent with some major Midwest cities.

[lawfin]

With the wisconsin numbers out any of our number crunchers ready to figure out MSA / CSA figures for Chicago?

[relnahe]

Very surprised Philly didn't grow even larger than the number showed. I live in a fairly low income neighborhood but I 'd say nearly half the current population of the residents are fairly recent Hispanic & Asian immigrants and post-grad & hipster residents. A lot of the younger, white residents have very little ties with the Delaware Valley before moving here.

[ColDayMan]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001

Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are regional anomalies. While Cincinnati is, for all intents and purposes, a part of Ohio and therefore "Midwestern," go south or east outside the 275 beltway for a half hour to find areas/regions that are about the farthest thing from the Midwest imaginable.

Pittsburgh never felt like an actual Midwestern city when I visited, but I can see some of the cultural ties that make it easy to classify it as one to some people. Then again, I'm from Cincinnati and have a hard time calling it Midwestern, given the amalgamation of regions (southern to the south...duh, and Appalachian to the east) within a short drive of the metro.

Bingo. Cincinnati is technically in the "Midwest" but in reality is far from any association with the region due to age, history, ties, etc. Same with Southeast Ohio (Marietta, Zanesville, Chillicothe, etc). Same could be said for New Orleans with the South. Sure, New Orleans is in the south but it's quite an anomoly for that region. I think the case for Pittsburgh is the same with the "Northeast." Take away those state boundaries and Youngstown, Pittsburgh, Altoona, Coshocton, Wheeling, Steubenville, Johnstown, all the same Northern Appalachian folks!

[lawfin]

Originally Posted by pip

^maybe you didn't notice the word some.

Pittsburgh has a relatively low immigrant/foreign born population, which is more consistent with some major Midwest cities.

Well accepting the fact that there is more than 1 major midwestern city....which is arguable....Detroit has a fairly high share of immmigrants.


I don't recall the numbers for Minneapolis both are around 9-10 % in metro


Not Miami but not exactly devoid of immigrants either. That being said Chicago is really the only major city in the midwest......the other 2 candidate Minny and Detroit are arguable.
The rest are regional centers but not major in any sense other than to those who live near them.

[ColDayMan]

To say Detroit ISN'T a major city in respect to this country is quite crazy.

[pip]

Originally Posted by lawfin

Well accepting the fact that there is more than 1 major midwestern city....which is arguable....Detroit has a fairly high share of immmigrants.


I don't recall the numbers for Minneapolis both are around 9-10 % in metro


Not Miami but not exactly devoid of immigrants either. That being said Chicago is really the only major city in the midwest......the other 2 candidate Minny and Detroit are arguable.
The rest are regional centers but not major in any sense other than to those who live near them.

weak...

anyway

2000 census:

Detroit 4.8% immigrant
Piitsburgh 5.6%

[lawfin]

Originally Posted by pip

weak...

anyway

2000 census:

Detroit 4.8% immigrant
Piitsburgh 5.6%

Its 2010 not 2000.

BY metro Pittsburgh has around 3% immigrant pop. That is demonstrably lower than several metros in the midwest. Source: 2009 ACS survey via Brookings Institute.

Chicago for instance is roughly 6 times that rate. Minny and Detroit are both 3 times that rate. Milwaukee is twice that rate. Grand Rapids is more than twice that rate. Columbus is more than twice that rate. Indy is roughly twice that rate.

Now if you are considering Youngstown, Cincy Toldeo and Dayton as major cities then I would agree with the original statement. But I would disagree with the underlying premise that these cities are in any way major again other than to those who live near them.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by lawfin

Saying in-and-out has great burgers is like saying olive garden or red lobster have great italian or seafood respectively......

it's sad but most of america thinks this

Compared to other fast food places, In n Out is pretty good. If we're talking local burger joints, then In n Out isn't even close.

[alex1]

Originally Posted by ColDayMan

To say Detroit ISN'T a major city in respect to this country is quite crazy.

What he said.

My jaw fell off my face when I read that.

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

Originally Posted by lawfin

With the wisconsin numbers out any of our number crunchers ready to figure out MSA / CSA figures for Chicago?

I just posted this in the Chicago thread. I haven't done the CSA yet though I can add that information easily enough.

Originally Posted by Ch.G, Ch.G

Now that the census data for Wisconsin has been released, we can calculate the 2010 population of the Chicago MSA. (Kenosha County in WI is at 166,000, up from 149,000 in 2000.)

If I crunched the numbers correctly, then the metro (which includes nine counties in Illinois, four in Indiana and one in Wisconsin) is at 9,461,105, up from 9,098,316 in 2000. That's 362,789 more people-- a 3.8% increase.

The CSA is at 9,686,021, up from 9,312,255 in 2000.