The US Census Bureau thread - Page 34

MolsonExport · #**661** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 1:56 PM**

Those Ohio numbers are staggeringly bad ('cept for Columbus)

themaguffin · #**662** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 2:52 PM**

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Only three midwestern metros have lost population: Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Detroit (not released yet).

I know it's easy to group Pittsburgh with some Midwestern cities for a variety of reasons, it's not a Midwestern city...

wwmiv · #**663** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 3:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by themaguffin

I know it's easy to group Pittsburgh with some Midwestern cities for a variety of reasons, it's not a Midwestern city...

http://www.america2050.org/2005/12/d...megaregio.html

Just because the Census Bureau does not classify Pennsylvania as midwestern does not mean that Pittsburgh can not legitimately be classified as a midwestern city.

CentralGrad258 · #**664** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 3:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

I think Philly is the best story yet in this Census.

I thought it would show population decline.

Relative to the other big NE corridor cities, Philly has relative little immigration, vast areas of urban decay, and fairly limited gentrification. Yet it grew, and for that, it deserves high praise.

These stereotypes are at least 10 years out of date. Our growth came from strong influx of latinos and asians. Center City and its surrounding neighborhoods showed strong growth as well. Anybody who's spent any time here over the last couple years could have easily predicted it. Please stop pontificating about cities you clearly know little about.

This article has a very useful breakdown of Philly's census numbers:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ion_is_up.html

themaguffin · #**665** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 3:45 PM**

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Just because the Census Bureau does not classify Pennsylvania as midwestern does not mean that Pittsburgh can not legitimately be classified as a midwestern city.

Like I said, it shares some qualities etc, but geographically it is Northeastern and has Northeastern roots.

JivecitySTL · #**666** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

http://www.america2050.org/2005/12/d...megaregio.html

Just because the Census Bureau does not classify Pennsylvania as midwestern does not mean that Pittsburgh can not legitimately be classified as a midwestern city.

While Pittsburgh may have some Midwestern attributes, it is definitely not a Midwestern city.

Antares41 · #**667** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by JivecitySTL

While Pittsburgh may have some Midwestern attributes, it is definitely not a Midwestern city.

I lived there for 10 years and I never heard any of the natives described Pittsburgh as even remotely being affiliated with anything midwestern. Other than proximity to the midwest, and, topographic similarity to one midwestern city, Cincinnati, I just don't get how people reach that conclusion.

JivecitySTL · #**668** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Antares41

I lived there for 10 years and I never heard any of the natives described Pittsburgh as even remotely being affiliated with anything midwestern. Other than proximity to the midwest, and, topographic similarity to one midwestern city, Cincinnati, I just don't get how people reach that conclusion.

I think the only Midwestern characteristics of Pittsburgh are demographic. Unlike most of the major cities of the East, Pittsburgh has a relatively low immigrant/foreign born population, which is more consistent with some major Midwest cities.

Actually, I take that back. Pittsburgh has a lot of architecture in common with Saint Louis and Cincinnati, although I guess one could also argue that those cities have some eastern qualities as well.

Antares41 · #**669** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by JivecitySTL

I think the only Midwestern characteristics of Pittsburgh are demographic. Unlike most of the major cities of the East, Pittsburgh has a very low immigrant/foreign born population, which is more consistent with major Midwest cities.

Pittsburgh attractiveness to immigrants ebbed as its reliance on heavy manufacturing (i.e. steel) faded, which is still a relatively recent event given the history of the city.
So although it may now share a demographic statistic with other cities that relied on manufacturing, some in the midwest, some not (i.e. Buffalo), I still can't see that being enough to affiliate it with midwestern cities. Nevertheless, I do understand what you meant by "attribute" it just IMO not a strong one.

iheartthed · #**670** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Antares41

I lived there for 10 years and I never heard any of the natives described Pittsburgh as even remotely being affiliated with anything midwestern. Other than proximity to the midwest, and, topographic similarity to one midwestern city, Cincinnati, I just don't get how people reach that conclusion.

I don't think Allentown, PA shares many characteristics with New York City, but its not too hard to imagine the two being in the same region.

That said, Pittsburgh is probably best described as big city Appalachia.

themaguffin · #**671** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:23 PM**

Appalachia is part of different regions. In terms of general regions that people commonly discuss, Northeast is the relevant one.

CentralGrad258 · #**672** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by iheartthed

I don't think Allentown, PA shares many characteristics with New York City, but its not too hard to imagine the two being in the same region.

That said, Pittsburgh is probably best described as big city Appalachia.

It's funny, because once you get out of the Philly suburbs and into Lehigh County (which is where Allentown and Bethlehem are located) you're going to see far more Steelers flags than Eagles flags. Not to take away too much from sports teams affiliations, but outside of the Philly suburbs and perhaps the northeast corner of the state, most residents do not consider themselves part of the East Coast. I seriously doubt that residents of Pittsburgh believe they live in an eastern city. It's really more about shared cultural values than geographic proximity.

iheartthed · #**673** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by themaguffin

Appalachia is part of different regions. In terms of general regions that people commonly discuss, Northeast is the relevant one.

Well, you're discussing it wrong. Pittsburgh's ties are to Appalachia. The city is in the "northeast", but its culture is not borne of the cities we traditionally define as big city northeast. Like Cincinnati, Charleston, WV, Louisville, KY and other cities in that region, it came into being because of its location in Appalachia, and not because of a location along a coast or direct tributary (Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Trenton, Newark, Baltimore). It also isn't a Great Lakes city that exploded in growth because of the Erie Canal like Buffalo, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, or Milwaukee. Pittsburgh is big city Appalachia.

ChiSoxRox · #**674** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:46 PM**

Los Angeles city, CA: 3,792,621 (+97,801)
Chicago city, IL: 2,695,598 (-200,418)
Houston city, TX: 2,099,451 (+145,820)
Philadelphia city, PA: 1,526,006 (+8,456)
San Antonio city, TX: 1,327,407 (+182,761)
San Diego city, CA: 1,307,402 (+84,002)
Dallas city, TX: 1,197,816 (+9,236)
San Jose city, CA: 945,942 (+50,999)
Indianapolis city, IN: 829,718 (+37,792)
San Francisco city, CA: 805,235 (+28,502)
Austin city, TX: 790,390 (+133,828)
Columbus city, OH: 787,033 (+75,563)
Fort Worth city, TX: 741,206 (+206,512)
Charlotte city, NC: 731,424 (+190,596)
El Paso city, TX: 649,121 (+85,459)
Baltimore city, MD: 620,961 (-30,193)
Seattle city, WA: 608,660 (+45,286)
Washington D.C.: 601,723 (+29,664)
Denver city, CO: 600,158 (+45,522)
Portland city, OR: 583,776 (+54,655)
Las Vegas city, NV: 583,756 (+105,322)
Oklahoma City city, OK: 579,999 (+73,867)
Fresno city, CA: 494,665 (+67,013)
Sacramento city, CA: 466,488 (+59,470)
Long Beach city, CA: 462,257 (+735)
Kansas City city, MO: 459,787 (+18,242)
Virginia Beach city, VA: 437,994 (+12,737)
Colorado Springs city, CO: 416,427 (+55,537)
Omaha city, NE: 408,958 (+18,951)
Raleigh city, NC: 403,892 (+127,799)
Cleveland city, OH: 396,815 (-81,588)
Tulsa city, OK: 391,906 (-1,143)
Oakland city, CA: 390,724 (-8,760)
Honolulu CDP (incl. East Honolulu) 387,170 (+15,513)
Wichita city, KS: 382,368 (+38,084)
Arlington city, TX: 365,438 (+32,469)
Bakersfield city, CA: 347,483 (+100,426)
New Orleans city, LA: 343,829 (-140,845)
Anaheim city, CA: 336,265 (+8,251)
Aurora city, CO: 325,078 (+48,685)
Santa Ana city, CA: 324,528 (-13,449)
St. Louis city, MO: 319,294 (-28,895)
Pittsburgh city, PA: 305,704 (-28,859)
Corpus Christi city, TX: 305,215 (+27,761)
Riverside city, CA: 303,871 (+48,705)
Cincinnati city, OH: 296,943 (-34,342)
Stockton city, CA: 291,707 (+47,936)
Toledo city, OH: 287,208 (-26,411)
Newark city, NJ: 277,140 (+3,594)
Greensboro city, NC: 269,666 (+45,775)
Plano city, TX: 259,841 (+37,811)
Lincoln city, NE: 258,379 (+32,798)
Henderson city, NV: 257,729 (+82,348)
Fort Wayne city, IN: 253,691 (+47,964)
Jersey City city, NJ: 247,597 (+7,542)
Chula Vista city, CA: 243,916 (+70,360)
Norfolk city, VA: 242,803 (+8,400)
Laredo city, TX: 236,091 (+59,515)
Winston-Salem city, NC: 229,617 (+43,841)
Lubbock city, TX: 229,573 (+30,009)
Baton Rouge city, LA: 229,493 (+1,675)
Durham city, NC: 228,330 (+41,295)
Garland city, TX: 226,876 (+11,108)
Reno city, NV: 225,221 (+44,741)
Chesapeake city, VA: 222,209 (+23,025)
North Las Vegas city, NV: 216,961 (+101,473)
Irving city, TX: 216,290 (+24,675)
Fremont city, CA: 214,089 (+10,676)
Irvine city, CA: 212,375 (+69,303)
Birmingham city, AL: 212,237 (-30,583)
San Bernardino city, CA: 209,924 (+24,523)
Spokane city, WA: 208,916 (+13,287)
Montgomery city, AL: 205,764 (+4,196)
Richmond city, VA: 204,214 (+6,424)
Des Moines city, IA: 203,433 (+4,751)
Modesto city, CA: 201,165 (+12,309)
Fayetteville city, NC: 200,564 (+79,549)
Shreveport city, LA: 199,311 (-834)
Akron city, OH: 199,110 (-17,964)
Tacoma city, WA: 198,397 (+4,841)
Aurora city, IL: 197,899 (+54,909)
Oxnard city, CA: 197,899 (+27,541)
Fontana city, CA: 196,069 (+67,140)
Mobile city, AL: 195,111 (-3,804)
Little Rock city, AR: 193,524 (+10,391)
Moreno Valley city, CA: 193,365 (+50,984)
Glendale city, CA: 191,719 (-3,254)
Amarillo city, TX: 190,695 (+17,068)
Huntington Beach city, CA: 189,992 (+398)
Salt Lake City city, UT: 186,440 (+4,697)
Newport News city, VA: 180,719 (+569)
Huntsville city, AL: 180,105 (+21,889)
Santa Clarita city, CA: 176,320 (+25,232)
Grand Prairie city, TX: 175,396 (+47,969)
Brownsville city, TX: 175,023 (+35,301)
Jackson city, MS: 173,514 (-10,742)
Overland Park city, KS: 173,372 (+24,292)
Garden Grove city, CA: 170,883 (+5,687)
Santa Rosa city, CA: 167,815 (+20,220)
Oceanside city, CA: 167,086 (+6,057)
Rancho Cucamonga city, CA: 165,269 (+37,526)
Ontario city, CA: 163,924 (+5,917)
Vancouver city, WA: 161,791 (+18,231)
Springfield city, MO: 159,498 (+7,918)
Lancaster city, CA: 156,633 (+37,915)
Eugene city, OR: 156,185 (+18,292)
Salem city, OR: 154,637 (+17,713)
Sioux Falls city, SD: 153,888 (+29,913)
Elk Grove city, CA: 153,015 (+93,031)
Rockford city, IL: 152,871 (+2,756)
Palmdale city, CA: 152,750 (+36,080)
Corona city, CA: 152,374 (+27,378)
Salinas city, CA: 150,441 (-619)
Pomona city, CA: 149,058 (-415)
Pasadena city, TX: 149,043 (+7,369)
Joliet city, IL: 147,433 (+41,212)
Paterson city, NJ: 146,199 (-3,023)
Kansas City city, KS: 145,786 (-1,080)
Torrance city, CA: 145,438 (+7,492)
Bridgeport city, CT: 144,229 (+4,700)
Hayward city, CA: 144,186 (+4,156)
Fort Collins city, CO: 143,986 (+25,334)
Escondido city, CA: 143,911 (+10,352)
Lakewood city, CO: 142,980 (-1,146)
Naperville city, IL: 141,853 (+13,495)
Dayton city, OH: 141,527 (-24,652)
Sunnyvale city, CA: 140,081 (+8,321)
Alexandria city, VA: 139,966 (+11,683)
Mesquite city, TX: 139,824 (+15,301)
Hampton city, VA: 137,436 (-9,001)
Pasadena city, CA: 137,122 (+3,186)
Orange city, CA: 136,416 (+7,595)
Cary town, NC: 135,234 (+40,698)
Fullerton city, CA: 135,161 (+9,158)
McKinney city, TX: 131,117 (+76,748)
McAllen city, TX: 129,877 (+23,463)
New Haven city, CT: 129,779 (+6,153)
West Valley City city, UT: 129,480 (+20,584)
Killeen city, TX: 127,921 (+41,010)
Topeka city, KS: 127,473 (+5,096)
Thousand Oaks city, CA: 126,683 (+9,678)
East Los Angeles CDP, CA: 126,496 (+2,213)
Cedar Rapids city, IA: 126,326 (+5,568)
Olathe city, KS: 125,872 (+32,910)
Elizabeth city, NJ: 124,969 (+4,401)
Waco city, TX: 124,805 (+11,079)
Hartford city, CT: 124,775 (+3,197)
Visalia city, CA: 124,442 (+32,877)
Simi Valley city, CA: 124,237 (+12,886)
Stamford city, CT: 122,643 (+5,560)
Bellevue city, WA: 122,363 (+12,794)
Concord city, CA: 122,067 (+287)
Lafayette city, LA: 120,623 (+10,366)
Carrollton city, TX: 119,097 (+9,521)
Roseville city, CA: 118,788 (+38,867)
Thornton city, CO: 118,772 (+36,388)
Beaumont city, TX: 118,296 (+4,430)
Allentown city, PA: 118,032 (11,400)
Evansville city, IN: 117,429 (-4,153)
Abilene city, TX: 117,063 (+1,133)
Frisco city, TX: 116,989 (+83,275)
Independence city, MO: 116,830 (+3,542)
Santa Clara city, CA: 116,468 (+14,107)
Springfield city, IL: 116,250 (+4,796)
Vallejo city, CA: 115,942 (-818)
Victorville city, CA: 115,903 (+51,873)
Peoria city, IL: 115,007 (+2,071)
El Monte city, CA: 113,475 (-2,490)
Denton city, TX: 113,383 (+32,846)
Berkeley city, CA: 112,580 (+9,758)
Provo city, UT: 112,488 (+7,322)
Downey city, CA: 111,772 (+4,449)
Midland city, TX: 111,147 (+16,151)
Norman city, OK: 110,925 (+15,231)
Waterbury city, CT: 110,366 (+3,095)
Costa Mesa city, CA: 109,960 (+1,236)
Inglewood city, CA: 109,673 (-2,907)
Columbia city, MO: 108,500 (+23,969)
Elgin city, IL: 108,188 (+13,701)
Pueblo city, CO: 106,595 (+4,474)
Wilmington city, NC: 106,476 (+30,638)
Arvada city, CO: 106,433 (+4,280)
Ventura city, CA: 106,433 (+5,517)
Westminster city, CO: 106,114 (+5,174)
West Covina city, CA: 106,098 (+1,018)
Gresham city, OR: 105,594 (+15,389)
Norwalk city, CA: 105,549 (+2,251)
Carlsbad city, CA: 105,328 (+27,081)
Fairfield city, CA: 105,321 (+9,143)
Wichita Falls city, TX: 104,553 (+356)
High Point city, NC: 104,371 (+18,532)
West Jordan city, UT: 103,712 (+35,376)
Richmond city, CA: 103,701 (+4,485)
Murrieta city, CA: 103,466 (+59,184)
Burbank city, CA: 103,340 (+3,024)
Everett city, WA: 103,019 (+11,531)
Antioch city, CA: 102,372 (+11,840)
Erie city, PA: 101,786 (-1,931)
South Bend city, IN: 101,168 (-6,621)
Daly City city, CA: 101,123 (-2,498)
Centennial city, CO: 100,377 (n/a)
Temecula city, CA: 100,097 (+42,381)

Buckeye Native 001 · #**675** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:47 PM**

Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are regional anomalies. While Cincinnati is, for all intents and purposes, a part of Ohio and therefore "Midwestern," go south or east outside the 275 beltway for a half hour to find areas/regions that are about the farthest thing from the Midwest imaginable.

Pittsburgh never felt like an actual Midwestern city when I visited, but I can see some of the cultural ties that make it easy to classify it as one to some people. Then again, I'm from Cincinnati and have a hard time calling it Midwestern, given the amalgamation of regions (southern to the south...duh, and Appalachian to the east) within a short drive of the metro.

iheartthed · #**676** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by CentralGrad258

It's funny, because once you get out of the Philly suburbs and into Lehigh County (which is where Allentown and Bethlehem are located) you're going to see far more Steelers flags than Eagles flags. Not to take away too much from sports teams affiliations, but outside of the Philly suburbs and perhaps the northeast corner of the state, most residents do not consider themselves part of the East Coast. I seriously doubt that residents of Pittsburgh believe they live in an eastern city. It's really more about shared cultural values than geographic proximity.

Yeah, I know the cultural divide once you get west of the Poconos. I'm pretty familiar with Pennsylvania, and feel like I may have seen every square inch of it at one point or another. I never got the sense that the residents west of Scranton lumped themselves in with the coast. And that whole "Alabama in the middle" saying was said for a reason...

Trae · #**677** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Thundertubs

Denver, Boise, Portland, Reno, Albuquerque, Bend, Flagstaff, Bozeman...

It's a pretty common lament in western states that all the Californians coming in are driving home/land prices up.

Heck, even Jacksonville, FL is reputed to have a lot of California transplants.

Texas.

Even In-N-Out is invading Texas now, building a new distribution center in the DFW area with 12 locations around the Metroplex (and spreading to other parts of the state in a few years most likely). The Californication of Texas continues.

northbay · #**678** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

Garden Grove city, CA: 170,883 (+5,687)
Santa Rosa city, CA: 167,815 (+20,220)
Oceanside city, CA: 167,086 (+6,057)
Rancho Cucamonga city, CA: 165,269 (+37,526)
Ontario city, CA: 163,924 (+5,917)

thanks Dralcoffin for compiling all this. we forumers appreciate it.

interesting how similar size-wise these cities are and how we are all here in cali. as of now that's the only string of five straight cities from the same state.

themaguffin · #**679** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 6:16 PM**

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Well, you're discussing it wrong. Pittsburgh's ties are to Appalachia. The city is in the "northeast", but its culture is not borne of the cities we traditionally define as big city northeast. Like Cincinnati, Charleston, WV, Louisville, KY and other cities in that region, it came into being because of its location in Appalachia, and not because of a location along a coast or direct tributary (Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Trenton, Newark, Baltimore). It also isn't a Great Lakes city that exploded in growth because of the Erie Canal like Buffalo, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, or Milwaukee. Pittsburgh is big city Appalachia

Ugh, Sigh. Here we go again. Not every city in a region is the same. Jesus, is that breaking news here???

Pittsburgh is not a coastal city, nor is it as big as its coastal peers, however the Northeast is home to a lot of cities on the coast, inland, in flat and mountain-like areas. Seriously, I would expect simplistic definitions of a region in City Data, but not here.

Also all regions border other regions and some cities are near the border, like Pittsburgh and DC are to other regions and share some influence from the neighboring region.

"Big city Appalachia" is a ridiculous term to describe Pittsburgh, which is why I have never heard the term before now.

Pittsburgh was first settled by the French at the confluence of the rivers, which would be a significant reason for the growth of the area pre-industry. Appalachia is irrelevant to anything.

Trae · #**680** Posted **Mar 10, 2011, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

Dallas city, TX: 1,197,816 (+9,236)
Fort Worth city, TX: 741,206 (+206,512)

Arlington city, TX: 365,438 (+32,469)
Plano city, TX: 259,841 (+37,811)
Garland city, TX: 226,876 (+11,108)
Irving city, TX: 216,290 (+24,675)
Grand Prairie city, TX: 175,396 (+47,969)
Mesquite city, TX: 139,824 (+15,301)
McKinney city, TX: 131,117 (+76,748)
Carrollton city, TX: 119,097 (+9,521)
Frisco city, TX: 116,989 (+83,275)
Denton city, TX: 113,383 (+32,846)

DFW has some pretty big suburbs. Especially for a metro area of about 6.3 million. There were some just a few thousand below 100K, too (like Richardson).