The US Census Bureau thread - Page 29

kool maudit · #**561** Posted **Mar 7, 2011, 4:59 PM**

phlegmtropolis?

ChiSoxRox · #**562** Posted **Mar 7, 2011, 9:34 PM**

The press release has the usual 3:30 PM EST blurb.

Thundertubs · #**563** Posted **Mar 7, 2011, 10:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

The press release has the usual 3:30 PM EST blurb.

California is a beast of a state. It will probably warrant it's own thread, a'la Texas. It will be fascinating to see what changed in the Golden State over the last decade.

urbanactivist · #**564** Posted **Mar 7, 2011, 11:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by Thundertubs

California is a beast of a state. It will probably warrant it's own thread, a'la Texas. It will be fascinating to see what changed in the Golden State over the last decade.

Hopefully so!!! I think it's good that the larger states have their own threads. That way, we can discuss state trends in those areas, then bring them back to this one to compare on a national basis.

I just wish we had official numbers for Canada that came up around the same time

ChiSoxRox · #**565** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 1:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Thundertubs

California is a beast of a state. It will probably warrant it's own thread, a'la Texas. It will be fascinating to see what changed in the Golden State over the last decade.

I'm hoping somebody somewhere will publish a big CSV table for California; Urbanguy's city list will gain somewhere around sixty from California alone.

Tomorrow around the release time I should be able to keep an eye on the Census site to have the thread ready.

JDRCRASH · #**566** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 5:35 AM**

4 Million for LA seems absolutely realistic. If anything it's more.

And while signs do point to California's overall population growth slowing down, the inner cities like LA, SF, SAC are likely to grow faster as areas are zoned for higher development, and transit options greatly increase.

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Originally Posted by dktshb

I will certainly be curious about Los Angeles. I hope I am wrong but I really don't see the census reflecting the estimated 4.1 million people who live here. I am not even too sure if we will get the 4 million mark.

Why not? Are you really telling me that during the largest real estate boom in history, LA grew by only 140,000, and Chicago lost more than 200,000..... all while New York gained nearly 400,000?

... come on now. You don't think something is wrong here?

dktshb · #**567** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 1:36 PM**

^ I hope your optimism is right. We should find out some time today.

urbanactivist · #**568** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 2:57 PM**

I'm not going to start them (hopefully some other forumer will take the liberty of doing so), but it may be best to split Cali Census discussions into two threads... one for SoCal and one for NorCal.

ChiSoxRox · #**569** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 3:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanactivist

I'm not going to start them (hopefully some other forumer will take the liberty of doing so), but it may be best to split Cali Census discussions into two threads... one for SoCal and one for NorCal.

I'll try to be on them once the numbers come out.

themaguffin · #**570** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 6:41 PM**

shouldn't state specific threads be in you know, the regional threads anyway?

TexasBoi · #**571** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:32 PM**

California

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Data for California show that the five most populous incorporated places and their 2010 Census counts are Los Angeles, 3,792,621; San Diego, 1,307,402; San Jose, 945,942; San Francisco, 805,235; and Fresno, 494,665. Los Angeles grew by 2.6 percent since the 2000 Census. San Diego grew by 6.9 percent, San Jose grew by 5.7 percent, San Francisco grew by 3.7 percent, and Fresno grew by 15.7 percent.

The largest county is Los Angeles, with a population of 9,818,605. Its population grew by 3.1 percent since 2000. The other counties in the top five include San Diego, with a population of 3,095,313 (increase of 10.0 percent); Orange, 3,010,232 (increase of 5.8 percent); Riverside, 2,189,641 (increase of 41.7 percent); and San Bernardino, 2,035,210 (increase of 19.1 percent).

edluva · #**572** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:34 PM**

yup, my gut instincts were right about la's population. it wouldn't be anywhere near estimates, and even 3.9m would have been optimistic

california is maturing. it needs to look to europe and east asia for lessons, not inward. the southern states will carry the torch of low-cost auto-oriented growth that california had for the past few decades

fflint · #**573** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:36 PM**

The California zipfile is 80 meg! Downloading...slowly...

ChiSoxRox · #**574** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:38 PM**

The top 20 for each category:

COUNTY

1 1 Los Angeles County………………………………………….. 9519338 9818605 299267 3.1
2 3 San Diego County…………………………………………… 2813833 3095313 281480 10.0
3 2 Orange County………………………………………………… 2846289 3010232 163943 5.8
4 6 Riverside County…………………………………………….. 1545387 2189641 644254 41.7
5 4 San Bernardino County…………………………………………… 1709434 2035210 325776 19.1
6 5 Santa Clara County………………………………………………….. 1682585 1781642 99057 5.9
7 7 Alameda County……………………………………………. 1443741 1510271 66530 4.6
8 8 Sacramento County……………………………………………. 1223499 1418788 195289 16.0
9 9 Contra Costa County………………………………………….. 948816 1049025 100209 10.6
10 10 Fresno County……………………………………………….. 799407 930450 131043 16.4
11 14 Kern County……………………………………………….. 661645 839631 177986 26.9
12 12 Ventura County……………………………………………….. 753197 823318 70121 9.3
13 11 San Francisco County ……………………………………….. 776733 805235 28502 3.7
14 13 San Mateo County…………………………………………… 707161 718451 11290 1.6
15 15 San Joaquin County………………………………………….. 563598 685306 121708 21.6
16 17 Stanislaus County……………………………………………. 446997 514453 67456 15.1
17 16 Sonoma County…………………………………………… 458614 483878 25264 5.5
18 21 Tulare County…………………………………………………. 368021 442179 74158 20.2
19 19 Santa Barbara County………………………………………….. 399347 423895 24548 6.1
20 18 Monterey County………………………………………………. 401762 415057 13295 3.3

INCORPORATED PLACE

1 1 Los Angeles city……………………………………………….. 3694820 3792621 97801 2.6
2 2 San Diego city………………………………………………….. 1223400 1307402 84002 6.9
3 3 San Jose city…………………………………………………. 894943 945942 50999 5.7
4 4 San Francisco city …………………………………………… 776733 805235 28502 3.7
5 6 Fresno city…………………………………………………. 427652 494665 67013 15.7
6 7 Sacramento city………………………………………………. 407018 466488 59470 14.6
7 5 Long Beach city………………………………………………… 461522 462257 735 0.2
8 8 Oakland city………………………………………………… 399484 390724 -8760 -2.2
9 12 Bakersfield city………………………………………………. 247057 347483 100426 40.6
10 10 Anaheim city……………………………………………………. 328014 336265 8251 2.5
11 9 Santa Ana city……………………………………………………….. 337977 324528 -13449 -4.0
12 11 Riverside city……………………………………………………… 255166 303871 48705 19.1
13 13 Stockton city……………………………………………………. 243771 291707 47936 19.7
14 19 Chula Vista city………………………………………………… 173556 243916 70360 40.5
15 14 Fremont city……………………………………………………. 203413 214089 10676 5.2
16 28 Irvine city……………………………………………………… 143072 212375 69303 48.4
17 18 San Bernardino city……………………………………………………. 185401 209924 24523 13.2
18 17 Modesto city……………………………………………………… 188856 201165 12309 6.5
19 20 Oxnard city…………………………………………………….. 170358 197899 27541 16.2
20 35 Fontana city…………………………………………………… 128929 196069 67140 52.1

VivaLFuego · #**575** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:50 PM**

Definitely curious to see the demographic breakdowns of changes in SF and LA. The totals aren't surprising, if anything after all of the other low urban totals I was thinking SF might even clock in at a slight loss, good to see it still posted a gain.

ChiSoxRox · #**576** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:53 PM**

Threads are up for Northern and Southern California

fflint · #**577** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 8:54 PM**

Okay, so how did I do?

*Oakland did indeed lose population, -2.2%.

*Sacramento did indeed grow fast, at 14.6%, and has overtaken Long Beach (which stagnated at .2% growth). That said, Fresno grew faster (15.7%), and Bakersfield, which added 40.6% to its population in a decade, now arguably qualifies as a big California city.

*San Francisco grew 3.7%, somewhere between stagnation and moderate growth. It's better than I feared but nothing special in the national context. Portland and Seattle are growing faster.

*San Jose grew by 5.7%, much less than I expected.

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Originally Posted by fflint

California is out next week. Oh boy.

Going on what I've seen so far I'm going to make some predictions, which I'm totally pulling out of thin air.

Oakland: I suspect Oakland will show either a population loss or basically no growth, despite a hearty increase in the downtown population--I'm thinking maybe the Reverse Great Migration will show blacks moving out of Oaktown and smaller family sizes among remaining residents.

Sacramento: I suspect Sacramento will have the best numbers for any big city in the state. Going on what I've seen so far in the Census releases, the cities that built suburban housing within city limits boomed the most, and Sacramento did that in spades.

San Francisco: This one is tough. We had a really big increase in downtown housing over the last decade, but we also tore down our public housing projects and replaced at a less than 1:1 ratio. Sound familiar? Add to that the anecdotes we've been hearing for the last decade that families with kids are bum-rushing the exits, and I fear SF will show population decline or, at best, stagnation. Then again, we might be able to pull off some moderate growth like Seattle and DC did. We built a lot of housing and have very low vacancy/repo rates.

San Jose: I expect to see some pretty decent growth in San Jose, not like Charlotte or Fort Worth, but solid gains from medium-density infill in a mostly suburban city with lots of families with children and a densifying, mostly Latino east side.

urbanactivist · #**578** Posted **Mar 8, 2011, 9:01 PM**

Same trend!! The IE is still growing like gang busters, while established coastal urban areas experienced slight to modest growth. Further effects of gentrification.

ChiSoxRox · #**579** Posted **Mar 9, 2011, 12:42 AM**

Los Angeles city, CA: 3,792,621 (+97,801)
Chicago city, IL: 2,695,598 (-200,418)
Houston city, TX: 2,099,451 (+145,820)
San Antonio city, TX: 1,327,407 (+182,761)
San Diego city, CA: 1,307,402 (+84,002)
Dallas city, TX: 1,197,816 (+9,236)
San Jose city, CA: 945,942 (+50,999)
Indianapolis city, IN: 829,718 (+37,792)
San Francisco city, CA: 805,235 (+28,502)
Austin city, TX: 790,390 (+133,828)
Fort Worth city, TX: 741,206 (+206,512)
Charlotte city, NC: 731,424 (+190,596)
El Paso city, TX: 649,121 (+85,459)
Baltimore city, MD: 620,961 (-30,193)
Seattle city, WA: 608,660 (+45,286)
Washington D.C.: 601,723 (+29,664)
Denver city, CO: 600,158 (+45,522)
Portland city, OR: 583,776 (+54,655)
Las Vegas city, NV: 583,756 (+105,322)
Oklahoma City city, OK: 579,999 (+73,867)
Fresno city, CA: 494,665 (+67,013)
Sacramento city, CA: 466,488 (+59,470)
Long Beach city, CA: 462,257 (+735)
Kansas City city, MO: 459,787 (+18,242)
Virginia Beach city, VA: 437,994 (+12,737)
Colorado Springs city, CO: 416,427 (+55,537)
Omaha city, NE: 408,958 (+18,951)
Raleigh city, NC: 403,892 (+127,799)
Tulsa city, OK: 391,906 (-1,143)
Oakland city, CA: 390,724 (-8,760)
Honolulu CDP (incl. East Honolulu) 387,170 (+15,513)
Wichita city, KS: 382,368 (+38,084)
Arlington city, TX: 365,438 (+32,469)
Bakersfield city, CA: 347,483 (+100,426)
New Orleans city, LA: 343,829 (-140,845)
Anaheim city, CA: 336,265 (+8,251)
Aurora city, CO: 325,078 (+48,685)
Santa Ana city, CA: 324,528 (-13,449)
St. Louis city, MO: 319,294 (-28,895)
Corpus Christi city, TX: 305,215 (+27,761)
Riverside city, CA: 303,871 (+48,705)
Stockton city, CA: 291,707 (+47,936)
Newark city, NJ: 277,140 (+3,594)
Greensboro city, NC: 269,666 (+45,775)
Plano city, TX: 259,841 (+37,811)
Lincoln city, NE: 258,379 (+32,798)
Henderson city, NV: 257,729 (+82,348)
Fort Wayne city, IN: 253,691 (+47,964)
Jersey City city, NJ: 247,597 (+7,542)
Chula Vista city, CA: 243,916 (+70,360)
Norfolk city, VA: 242,803 (+8,400)
Laredo city, TX: 236,091 (+59,515)
Winston-Salem city, NC: 229,617 (+43,841)
Lubbock city, TX: 229,573 (+30,009)
Baton Rouge city, LA: 229,493 (+1,675)
Durham city, NC: 228,330 (+41,295)
Garland city, TX: 226,876 (+11,108)
Reno city, NV: 225,221 (+44,741)
Chesapeake city, VA: 222,209 (+23,025)
North Las Vegas city, NV: 216,961 (+101,473)
Irving city, TX: 216,290 (+24,675)
Fremont city, CA: 214,089 (+10,676)
Irvine city, CA: 212,375 (+69,303)
Birmingham city, AL: 212,237 (-30,583)
San Bernardino city, CA: 209,924 (+24,523)
Spokane city, WA: 208,916 (+13,287)
Montgomery city, AL: 205,764 (+4,196)
Richmond city, VA: 204,214 (+6,424)
Des Moines city, IA: 203,433 (+4,751)
Modesto city, CA: 201,165 (+12,309)
Fayetteville city, NC: 200,564 (+79,549)
Shreveport city, LA: 199,311 (-834)
Tacoma city, WA: 198,397 (+4,841)
Aurora city, IL: 197,899 (+54,909)
Oxnard city, CA: 197,899 (+27,541)
Fontana city, CA: 196,069 (+67,140)
Mobile city, AL: 195,111 (-3,804)
Little Rock city, AR: 193,524 (+10,391)
Amarillo city, TX: 190,695 (+17,068)
Salt Lake City city, UT: 186,440 (+4,697)
Newport News city, VA: 180,719 (+569)
Huntsville city, AL: 180,105 (+21,889)
Grand Prairie city, TX: 175,396 (+47,969)
Brownsville city, TX: 175,023 (+35,301)
Jackson city, MS: 173,514 (-10,742)
Overland Park city, KS: 173,372 (+24,292)
Vancouver city, WA: 161,791 (+18,231)
Springfield city, MO: 159,498 (+7,918)
Eugene city, OR: 156,185 (+18,292)
Salem city, OR: 154,637 (+17,713)
Sioux Falls city, SD: 153,888 (+29,913)
Rockford city, IL: 152,871 (+2,756)
Pasadena city, TX: 149,043 (+7,369)
Joliet city, IL: 147,433 (+41,212)
Paterson city, NJ: 146,199 (-3,023)
Kansas City city, KS: 145,786 (-1,080)
Fort Collins city, CO: 143,986 (+25,334)
Lakewood city, CO: 142,980 (-1,146)
Naperville city, IL: 141,853 (+13,495)
Alexandria city, VA: 139,966 (+11,683)
Mesquite city, TX: 139,824 (+15,301)
Hampton city, VA: 137,436 (-9,001)
Cary town, NC: 135,234 (+40,698)
McKinney city, TX: 131,117 (+76,748)
McAllen city, TX: 129,877 (+23,463)
West Valley City city, UT: 129,480 (+20,584)
Killeen city, TX: 127,921 (+41,010)
Topeka city, KS: 127,473 (+5,096)
Cedar Rapids city, IA: 126,326 (+5,568)
Olathe city, KS: 125,872 (+32,910)
Elizabeth city, NJ: 124,969 (+4,401)
Waco city, TX: 124,805 (+11,079)
Bellevue city, WA: 122,363 (+12,794)
Lafayette city, LA: 120,623 (+10,366)
Carrollton city, TX: 119,097 (+9,521)
Thornton city, CO: 118,772 (+36,388)
Beaumont city, TX: 118,296 (+4,430)
Evansville city, IN: 117,429 (-4,153)
Abilene city, TX: 117,063 (+1,133)
Independence city, MO: 116,830 (+3,542)
Springfield city, IL: 116,250 (+4,796)
Peoria city, IL: 115,007 (+2,071)
Denton city, TX: 113,383 (+32,846)
Provo city, UT: 112,488 (+7,322)
Midland city, TX: 111,147 (+16,151)
Norman city, OK: 110,925 (+15,231)
Columbia city, MO: 108,500 (+23,969)
Elgin city, IL: 108,188 (+13,701)
Pueblo city, CO: 106,595 (+4,474)
Wilmington city, NC: 106,476 (+30,638)
Arvada city, CO: 106,433 (+4,280)
Westminster city, CO: 106,114 (+5,174)
Gresham city, OR: 105,594 (+15,389)
Wichita Falls city, TX: 104,553 (+356)
High Point city, NC: 104,371 (+18,532)
West Jordan city, UT: 103,712 (+35,376)
Everett city, WA: 103,019 (+11,531)
South Bend city, IN: 101,168 (-6,621)
Centennial city, CO: 100,377 (n/a)

Chase Unperson · #**580** Posted **Mar 9, 2011, 1:28 AM**

Decent showing by San Francisco. The city is packed and always will be. Young people in their 20s for a long time have shared small spaces and will continue to do so for as long as we live. Even with the Dot-Bust, absurdly high housing costs, and Great Recession, the city grew a little.

Los Angeles on the other hand didn't do so well. The Dot-Bust didn't affect them. Although the West-Central housing is through the roof, there is more economic diversity relative to SF, but the housing boom/bust/great recession did hit them hard. But still I think many of us assumed LA would continue to grow considerably and be 5-6 million in our lifetimes. That doesn't look probable. Maybe LA is plateauing towards 4 million. Kind of weak if you ask me.