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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 6:12 PM
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But again, do you really want trucks on the Korean Corridor going through Downtown MTG on 85 and 65?

I agree wholeheartedly that 85 should've been built from the get-go to the south of the city, but that's not the reality we live in now. Right now, those trucks need an easier way to reach Hyundai then the Bypass or 85/65.
Exactly. The state needs to do everything it can to get those 18-wheelers off of 65 and 85. It's ridiculous the amount of trucks that are now hogging the interstates in the city. They will be required to use the "new" I-85 outer loop as the designated truck route. That will not take all of the "through traffic" trucks out of the city, but it will move enough of them to help traffic move better and safer.

After all, building the outer loop was part of the state's promise that Hyundai used to locate here. And I believe the state has only recently announced that it will finally live up to it's promise and restart the work on the outer loop because it was hurting their efforts to convince Hyundai to expand their manufacturing plant here. From Hyundai's standpoint: 'If you can't live up to your earlier promises for us to come here, what makes you think we can believe your new promises to expand here?'

Regardless of what happens with that, the state had no choice but to live up to it's obligations and restart the long-delayed highway.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2011, 11:41 PM
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Exactly. The state needs to do everything it can to get those 18-wheelers off of 65 and 85. It's ridiculous the amount of trucks that are now hogging the interstates in the city. They will be required to use the "new" I-85 outer loop as the designated truck route. That will not take all of the "through traffic" trucks out of the city, but it will move enough of them to help traffic move better and safer.

After all, building the outer loop was part of the state's promise that Hyundai used to locate here. And I believe the state has only recently announced that it will finally live up to it's promise and restart the work on the outer loop because it was hurting their efforts to convince Hyundai to expand their manufacturing plant here. From Hyundai's standpoint: 'If you can't live up to your earlier promises for us to come here, what makes you think we can believe your new promises to expand here?'

Regardless of what happens with that, the state had no choice but to live up to it's obligations and restart the long-delayed highway.
It's the double-edged sward of having a major manufacturing facility in the city. On the 1 hand, it's a huge economic boom(and considering the way those Sonatas and Elantras are selling, I don't see Hyundai letting up anytime soon).

On the other hand, Montgomery has to go the extra mile for certain infrastructure projects to handle the car plant. Mercedes and Honda don't have these issues because they are located well outside of urbanized cores and are right along the interstate. Hyundai's issue is that while it's located along I-65 on the southern end of Montgomery/Hope Hull, you now have all these suppliers setting up shop along I-85 between Montgomery, West Point, GA where the Kia plant is, and Atlanta. So suddenly you have a lot more medium distance travel along roughly 80-100 miles of interstate. This is direct contrast to Vance or Lincoln where the assembly plants are the hubs and the suppliers are located within very close distance(at least for the Tier I suppliers).

What Hyundai has done for East Alabama is incredible and will only continue to help those in the River Region. But in order to ease the city congestion and allow for easier transport of goods and products(Koreans have taken that just-in-time mentality that the Japanese made famous and raised it to the nth degree), the Outer Loop is going to have to be constructed.

What I hope is that there are limited access points along the loop(so as to gear it as a through route rather then add yet another commercial layer to the metro area) and that the development that does take place is more of the industrial form.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2011, 4:03 AM
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The section between I-65 and Hwy 231 (Troy Hwy) is needed the most and should be given priority. The land was acquired by the state years ago.
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SmartCode Zoning for Old Cloverdale

This is GREAT news. We have been working towards this for years!
Montgomery City Council OKs SmartCode zoning for Old Cloverdale
By Jill Nolin • [email protected] • March 2, 2011

The new SmartCode zoning for Old Cloverdale should take effect in mid March now that the Montgomery City Council approved the zoning change Tuesday night.

The change, which has been in the works for years, was neighborhood-driven and is intended to preserve the character of the historic Montgomery neighborhood.

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Old Posted Mar 3, 2011, 12:57 AM
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Will this stop the rumored Walgreen's that was said to have wanted to locate on the old Cloverdale school corner? Or will it just modify it to look like they do in the small towns north of Chicago? Those towns remind me of Old Cloverdale and they can be tastefully done to blend in nicely.
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Will this stop the rumored Walgreen's that was said to have wanted to locate on the old Cloverdale school corner? Or will it just modify it to look like they do in the small towns north of Chicago? Those towns remind me of Old Cloverdale and they can be tastefully done to blend in nicely.
SmartCode doesn't restrict what business or industry locates somewhere, just the form it's in. So, in theory, a chemical plant could open up in Cloverdale as long as they conformed. Basically, Walgreens can still build, but they'd have to construct their location in whatever manner the code demands.
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Old Posted Mar 3, 2011, 1:11 AM
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SmartCode doesn't restrict what business or industry locates somewhere, just the form it's in. So, in theory, a chemical plant could open up in Cloverdale as long as they conformed. Basically, Walgreens can still build, but they'd have to construct their location in whatever manner the code demands.
Yes, that's true of SmartCode. I'm just wondering if Walgreens will change their mind to build because of the adoption of the new zoning. But it' just a rumor, I know, it's only a rumor...let me make that clear.
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Yes, that's true of SmartCode. I'm just wondering if Walgreens will change their mind to build because of the adoption of the new zoning. But it' just a rumor, I know, it's only a rumor...let me make that clear.
Well, they very well could. Usually, the cost of building a business like Walgreens in a neighborhood like Cloverdale that has adopted SmartCode is enough to keep it out, so the Code winds up working how it was meant to.
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But it' just a rumor, I know, it's only a rumor...let me make that clear.
Thanks for clarifying that! You have no idea the WILDFIRE we had to contend with when this RUMOR initially surfaced!
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Thanks for clarifying that! You have no idea the WILDFIRE we had to contend with when this RUMOR initially surfaced!
I'm not saying anything, but I heard a McDonald's with two drive thru's is going where Dirk's soon will have used to be.
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I'm not saying anything, but I heard a McDonald's with two drive thru's is going where Dirk's soon will have used to be.
I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere... but, just as an FYI, the Cloverale Village area is our next target for SmartCode.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2011, 2:54 AM
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I gotta say, the alley was hopping today.

Went to Dreamland, it was packed, inside and out. Headed to SaZa's, got a seat at the bar cause it was packed. Alley Deli looked busy as it could be, and probably Wintzell's too.

If someone had said 5 years ago that you could put 5 restaurants on lower Commerce and they'd boom, you'd have been laughed out of the city.

Work was progressing on iCantina, and it looked like people were working on the BrewPub building as well.
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I rode through earlier tonight but couldn't find a parking spot. And with the other projects coming online it's going to get even more crowded. And baseball hasn't even started yet.

Glad to see the underground utilities work finally underway along Commerce.

Looking forward to seeing the results of the Maxwell Blvd. charrette Friday.
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My Condolences to the Bronner family

I don`t know if any of you guys know Bronner personaly but the Mobilians are sending our condolences.God Bless
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I don`t know if any of you guys know Bonner personaly but the Mobilians are sending our condolences.God Bless
The daughter of David Bronner, chief executive officer for the Retirement Systems of Alabama, was found dead Thursday night.

A family friend found Allison Bronner, 25, dead at her home in Birmingham just before 11 p.m., said Philip Russell, a deputy coroner with the Jefferson County Coroner’s office.

She appears to have died of natural causes, and no foul play is suspected, Russell said.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2011, 2:12 PM
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My deepest condolences to the Bronner family...
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Bronner for Governor.

If Bronner was governor of Alabama.I think the state would be in the same category as North Carolina,Texas, Tennessee, and other progressive southern states.

What do you guys think ?
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If Bronner was governor of Alabama.I think the state would be in the same category as North Carolina,Texas, Tennessee, and other progressive southern states.

What do you guys think ?
I think, no, I KNOW that if Alabama could have avoided Fob James and Guy Hunt, we could've recovered from George Wallace.
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Here are some excerpts from The Montgomery Advertiser.
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Planners re-imagine Maxwell Blvd.
By Jill Nolin • March 5, 2011
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Planners envision a redeveloped Maxwell Boulevard area that would offer new residential and recreational opportunities for Montgomery residents, but beyond that, they see the area as a virtual clean slate that can be remade into a compelling economic development tool.

The area that is expected to benefit first from the revitalization efforts, which is an extension of the momentum building in downtown, is the block on Maxwell Boulevard that faces Overlook Park, according to Victor Dover with Dover, Kohl & Partners.

Dover predicted that, once the downtown urban farm is in operation and once improvements are made to Overlook Park, which literally overlooks the farm now, this block would become highly desirable real estate. The Riverwalk could be rerouted through Overlook Park as it continues on to Maxwell Air Force Base.

A "request for proposal" process, which is being done on lower Dexter Avenue, will likely be done for this block as well. The plan, which is still in its draft form, calls for the RFP process to happen within a year.

While planners see these improvements as the more short-term and immediately possible, the long-term vision includes mostly smaller scale, more affordable residences, a bike-pedestrian path, a 35-mph speed limit on Maxwell Boulevard, more public green spaces and a developed area on the river that would be set up like a "great urban terrace."

"It's not private. It's not walled off. It belongs to everyone in the city," Dover said of the promontory, which creates the opportunity for a stirring view of downtown Montgomery.

Planners have dubbed the hypothetical area they hope to develop on this river "Promontory Point Square," and the artistic rendering shows a wedding chapel and several upscale residences. Dover said this area could be used as a recruitment tool for new businesses and industry.

Through creative planning, Dover said it would also be possible to create a nine-mile bike path from Maxwell to Gunter Hill Park.

"It's a very achievable vision in our lifetime. What you see here is where you can begin," Dover said of a link from Maxwell to downtown.

City Council Vice President Tracy Larkin, who represents part of the targeted area, called Maxwell Boulevard "one of the most important corridors this city has." Larkin said the area has been in a shameful state, and he said Montgomery was ready to "make a different kind of statement to the world."
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Here are some excerpts from The Montgomery Advertiser.
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Great stuff there. A big step toward creating a fantastic riverfront for all Montgomerians.
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