1021 W Hastings | 143M | 36Fl | Completed

[SpikePhanta]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Sorry, I will take the 145 meter pure office tower over ruining the entire project with a few floors of residential just to add some vertical. At least if it is pure office we have a far better chance of having a lighting feature and or Logo at the top of the tower, instead of it fading away into the night *cough* Shangri-La *cough*

Just look at what Shangrila could have been! Watch Tron Legacy and they feature the Shangri-LA as the Encom hq, with a giant sign.

[giallo]

I'm always up for good lighting in the city, but like everything, it needs to be well-implemented and suit the building/street it's on. That Shangri-La example doesn't really look that good.



I was in Hong Kong a couple of months ago, and took some pictures of decent lighting around Fortress Hill. HK, being HK, can get away with all kinds of neat and disastrous lighting set-ups.

The AIA building is a lesser-known building in the city, but looks nice at night.



Kowloon's skyline is starting to give HK Island's a run for it's money (not really). The minimal lighting effects on each building brings them together, and punches up the cityscape at night.






And totally unrelated, but hey, I love stopping in at Triple Os whenever I'm in Hong Kong for a little taste of home.







Shanghai's lighting is a bit more scant than HK's. In Shanghai, it seems to be more about flood lights. As long as the buildings look good, I don't see anything wrong with taking that approach.


The Jin Mao has never had any lighting attached to it except for the crown. It's lit up by flood lights nightly.





This new twin tower complex nearby takes the same approach.





The SWFC combines attached lighting and flood lights for a nice look overall - though they seems to be constantly fixing the blue LEDs that outline the tower. The Jin Mao had yet to be lit up that night.

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by SpikePhanta

Just look at what Shangrila could have been!

Would Shangri-La even be permitted in its current form now that the city has put an all-out moratorium on residential development in the CBD?

Oh yeah, I forgot that half of its units are "live-work" units.
I guess that would qualify?

Another question: any potential / rumoured tenants for 1021 W Hastings?

[dleung]

re: floodlights in shanghai... keep in mind that mainland China isn't quite as theoretically advanced as HK, so they don't mind petty things like bird migration and local ecologies as long as they're getting the most light pollution for the least money...

[giallo]

^Birds in Shanghai? Surely you jest.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by giallo

^Birds in Shanghai? Surely you jest.

"tweet tweet tweeet tweeeeet giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikk" (I couldn't find a picture of a dead bird)
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... now back on topic, please: 1021 W. Hastings St.

A question: what should the cladding be? Glass? if so, what colour? Reflective or not? Light or dark? Dark Blue? Bright nickel reflective, like the nearby CIBC building at the foot of Burrard? Coppery, to match the hues of the Marine building? ...... This may become a real issue. It's food for thought, IMHO. Thank you for your time, posters.

[cornholio]

Another option I thought about was double deck elevators, but I know those have been around for a while so I have no idea how efficient they are in real life. Maybe some of you who know more about this subject can say if its feasible in this situation to have double deck elevators(with modern routing systems to increase efficiency). That way you can again increase height without increasing the number of elevator shafts. Maybe you can even remove one.

Not sure how they have worked in the past but I would say that choosing your floor outside would allow the elevator system to choose the best way to route the double decker elevators(no longer first come first serve but overall efficiency of moving all people waiting for a elevator as fast as possible from point a to b). You can even display when approximately the elevator will arrive and what door and what floor it will be going to(when 2+ people on the same floor are going to different destinations).

Actually makes me wonder why we dont see more of them since it makes much better use of space with modern computer technology used to run them efficiently. Any one care to answer this part?

[officedweller]

I mentioned double decker elevators a couple of pages up.

I think it would require a two storey lobby (which would add to costs and use up space, but if the lobby is to be 2 storey high ceiling anyways, you can squeeze in a mezzanine for the upper cab if the double decker is a "fixed" carriage (i.e. both cabs remain a fixed distance apart (i.e. standard floor spacing)). On the internet I also saw reference to a double decker elevator that allows for variable floor heights.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I mentioned double decker elevators a couple of pages up.

I think it would require a two storey lobby (which would add to costs and use up space, but if the lobby is to be 2 storey high ceiling anyways, you can squeeze in a mezzanine for the upper cab if the double decker is a "fixed" carriage (i.e. both cabs remain a fixed distance apart (i.e. standard floor spacing)). On the internet I also saw reference to a double decker elevator that allows for variable floor heights.

Sorry didnt see your previous post
But I dont see why a two story lobby is a necessity, obviously majority of the users would be starting or finishing at the lobby level but you can still have the elevator stop there twice(top level then bottom level). Thats where selecting your floor on the outside would be important as the elevator then would route its self efficiently.

Example for a 10 floor building:
---8 people waiting in lobby(Person A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H)
---going to
------A = 1, B = 3, C = 4, D = 5, E =7, F = 8, G = 10, H = 10

results per stop
#1---Top level stops at lobby and picks up
---------Passengers A, C, F, G, H.
---------Bottom level meanwhile is stopped at level one parkade.
#2---Bottom level stops at lobby and picks up.
---------Passengers B, D, E.
---------Top level drops of passenger A at level 1.
#3---Top level stops at the 4th floor and bottom on 3rd floor.
---------Top level drops of passenger C on the 4th floor.
---------Bottom level drops of passenger B on the 3rd floor.
#4---Top level stops without opening, bottom level stops on the 5th floor.
---------Bottom level lets out passenger D on the 5th floor.
#5---Top level stops at the 8th floor, bottom on the 7th.
---------Top level drops of passenger F on the 8th floor.
---------Bottom level drops of passenger E on the 7th floor.
#6---Top level stops on the 10th floor, bottom level is now empty.
---------Top level drops of passengers G and H on the 10th floor.

Normally elevators just pick up passengers and then drop them off depending on where they want to go which would slow double deck elevators down and require two story lobbies to stop everyone from piling on to the first level. But a smart elevator would spread the passengers out between the elevator levels and reduce the number of stops for everyone(infact reduce the number of stops over a single level traditional elevator as you can make two stops at the same many times)

[officedweller]

The two level loading is the way that both First Canadian Place and Scotia Plaza in Toronto do it. Passengers load even floors on one level and odd floors on another level. i.e. so the elevator wouldn't move in as many one floor increments - particularly in the morning rush.

That minimizes the the number of times that one cab is waiting (doors closed) while the other cab is letting people on or off. In FCP, years ago, they had a lighted sign in the elevator that said something like "Serving other floor" whenever the elevator stopped and nothing happened in your cab (doors stayed closed). i.e. passenger exitting on 12, but no one in lower cab exitting on 11.

It would be painful if passengers for both 11 and 12 were in the same cab (or worse still, if passengers for both 11 and 12 were in each cab since that would mean the elevator would have to stop twice at floor 11 and twice at floor 12 to empty each cab). Remember that people entering at lobby level just "pile into" the elevator. A smart elevator cannot select who to pick up at the lobby the way it can from people accessing from upper floors. Now imagine that for 20 storeys (we've all been in elevators that stop at practically every floor) - the elevator would make twice as many stops and take twice as long.

But it does happen, because for inter-floor movements, a passenger travelling from, say, floor 9 to floor 12 needs to be accommodated (so above the ground floor, the cabs are not strictly even and odd floor cabs and each cab has a full complement of buttons).

[trofirhen]

Does all of this mean they could go higher with this building? It seems to me that that's what people have in mind. If we can go for it, let's go for it! How high would the maximum allowable height be, if this elevator configuration turns out to be economical regarding floor space? There's something shaping up here ... and it seems dynamic.

[jlousa]

This thread amuses me.

Surprised no one has mentioned installing two independent cabs in each shaft with a transfer floor part way.

Oxford knows what they are doing, the new development application board has been installed onsite. WYSIWYG, enjoy.

[Metro-One]

Is this likely to be the first new office tower in Vancouver to break ground? If so that would be nice given that it is currently the tallest and most impressive we have seen at the public proposal / render stage.

[jlousa]

It certainly has the potential to be the first out of the ground. It's all up to Oxford.
One of the other office tower proposals is moving ahead very quickly as well. We'll have to wait a bit longer to see which starts first.

[Metro-One]

Well I got my fingers crossed, I love this tower, 145 meters and all

Just hope there is some lighting component with it.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well I got my fingers crossed, I love this tower, 145 meters and all

Just hope there is some lighting component with it.

I love the building too.

Given all the constraints and the size of the lot, I think they came up with a great design.
I am fascinated by this infill-skyscraper concept and I think it opens up many possible locations for consideration that were ignored before.

[Mininari]

Originally Posted by jlousa

One of the other office tower proposals is moving ahead very quickly as well. We'll have to wait a bit longer to see which starts first.

Would this "other" proposal perhaps be the Bentall 6 tower?
Or perhaps the Aquilini Tower?

Or something else...?

Just curious

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by Mininari

Would this "other" proposal perhaps be the Bentall 6 tower?
Or perhaps the Aquilini Tower?

Or something else...?

Just curious

Whatever the "other" office tower proposal may be, its unveiling does not seem too far in the future.

[wrenegade]

745 Thurlow is going to be next.

[Mininari]

The minutes are up for 1075 W. Hastings.
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/planning/udp/2011/Minutes/Feb9.html#1

...
Applicant’s Response: Mr. Katz thanked the Panel and said that he though most of the comments were very reasonable and hoped to integrate them as the building moved forward. Mr. Katz said he didn’t know how to resolve the height but agreed that it would look better a few storeys taller.
...

I hope they're actively working on "resolving the height"