NFL coming to Toronto - Page 8

craner · #**141** Posted **Jan 26, 2011, 8:01 PM**

I guess attitudes have changed in 20 years and I'm getting old but I know when the Jays won the World Series there were plenty of fans and excitement accross the country.

craner · #**142** Posted **Jan 26, 2011, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mister F

The difference in talent level is hugely exaggerated and in a lot of cases not true. The AHL analogy doesn't hold up because the AHL is basically identical to the NHL game. The CFL and NFL are completely different games in a lot of ways - skillsets that work in one don't always work in the other. The NFL is very structured, every player must fit a defined role. OTOH, the CFL with its bigger field and fewer downs forces more creativity and less rigidity. It also doesn't reward size as much. Many of the giants on NFL defensive lines would never make it in the CFL. And there are lots of CFLers who are just as good as NFLers, but if they don't fit predefined roles they don't make it.

Obviously most CFL players would be NFL starters if they could, and all things being equal the talent is higher in the NFL. But all things aren't equal, and there are a lot of CFL players who are the best in the world at what they do.

Well said - thank-you.

I was dreading having to write a similar response.

Berklon · #**143** Posted **Feb 7, 2011, 11:56 PM**

Looks like the NFL is gaining even more popularity in Canada:

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=352871

Quite impressive especially when the league doesn't even have a Canadian team.

No-one in the office talks about the Grey Cup come Monday morning (even when the Argos are in it) but the Super Bowl is all that anyone talks about every year. Really, it's pretty much like that every Monday morning during the season... it just gets even more talk during the playoffs and Super Bowl.

It's obvious if Toronto were given their own team, it would get tremendous support.

MrOilers · #**144** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 12:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

Looks like the NFL is gaining even more popularity in Canada:

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=352871

That's excellent. That's good for football. Both CFL ratings and NFL ratings are gaining momentum in Canada year after year.

The NFL doesn't need a team in Canada. TV is already doing a fantastic job of marketing and bringing in revenue, and our own football league (which is a valuable independent developmental league for the NFL) is doing better every year as well.

Hopefully Toronto will get the collective bug out of their butts and throw more support behind the Argos and the CFL the same way they fawn over the NFL.

BretttheRiderFan · #**145** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 12:37 AM**

As for actual support of a league, the CFL is still ahead of the NFL in this country. There are far more people that genuinely give a damn about a particular CFL team than an NFL team

How many people actually have a rooting interest in the Super Bowl compared to the Grey Cup?

For me, the Super Bowl is more viewed as just an event or spectacle, like the World Cup

The Grey Cup is more viewed as a sports event, though even that is getting far more comercialized every year

Jay in Cowtown · #**146** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 1:30 AM**

For the first time in my life I was subjected to a horrifying sight... Canadian commercials during the Super Bowl, Holy Fuck are they sad! Good game though!

I need to get my Directv subscription address changed from Arizona to Montana so I can get the networks back for next year!

dennis1 · #**147** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

By this logic the Leafs shouldn't exist since the Marlies have one of the worst attendance in the AHL.

CFL attendance has no bearing on how an NFL team will do.

You can bet an NFL team in Toronto will do MUCH better attendance than the Argos in their best years.

I agree. I support this.

Besides, if the CFL was so popular out in ontario the ticats and argos would be making money.

The colts stadium only cost 750 mil. 1.7 billion for team and stadium in total is not a lot.

dennis1 · #**148** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Urban_Genius

See nobody was saying that before the Series began. If you recall, the claim was that Toronto would pay ANY price to get tickets, that this was the biggest sports event in Toronto's history and that there would be a line up from Skydome all the way to Mississauga. They even held a lottery, thinking that this would be a colossal success. What happened?

You want the NFL on a full time basis, expect those prices. Especially if you'd be playing in Skydome. Now obviously, the NFL isn't going to Toronto and certainly not to play in Skydome so it's a moot point.

The argos have gotten less attendance and they were in the playoffs.

What are afraid of. This is about money. The Argos and TiCats don't' make any. And the ticats still wont at IWS2

dennis1 · #**149** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 1:58 AM**

Most of the CFL ratings come from western canada. The CFL is not the majority of fans in Toronto. There is not a large percentage of CFL fans in the GTA. If you have been on the streets of Toronto you would know this. The NFL is also not Number 1 in New York and Chicago? why does no one mention this?

dennis1 · #**150** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:07 AM**

Let me ask those in western canada this?

How come CFL=NFL but NHL>>>>AHL in your minds? Because some get mad when you say CFL<<<<NFL but agree for AHL<<<<NHL

dennis1 · #**151** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

As for actual support of a league, the CFL is still ahead of the NFL in this country. There are far more people that genuinely give a damn about a particular CFL team than an NFL team

How many people actually have a rooting interest in the Super Bowl compared to the Grey Cup?

For me, the Super Bowl is more viewed as just an event or spectacle, like the World Cup

The Grey Cup is more viewed as a sports event, though even that is getting far more comercialized every year

Because of great marketing by TSN and western canada supporting their teams better than the east.

dennis1 · #**152** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Exactly, Toronto is not a football town. Toronto doesn’t support football and don’t deserve a storied team like the Argonauts.

Toronto is a hype market. I don't disagree. But the money is what's important right now and the argos don't make any.

BretttheRiderFan · #**153** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Because of great marketing by TSN and western canada supporting their teams better than the east.

And Easterners watch the NFL more than CFL...whats your point

BretttheRiderFan · #**154** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Toronto is a hype market. I don't disagree. But the money is what's important right now and the argos don't make any.

Yeah but they make more than any NFL experiment in TO has so far

BretttheRiderFan · #**155** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Let me ask those in western canada this?

How come CFL=NFL but NHL>>>>AHL in your minds? Because some get mad when you say CFL<<<<NFL but agree for AHL<<<<NHL

Maybe because there are millions of CFL fans in this country and thousands of AHL fans

The CFL has been a huge part of the sporting culture of this country for over 100 years, and continues to be

Not to mention the two styles of games are completely different with different athletic skillsets in each league. There are tons of starters in the NFL who would suck hard in the CFL.

The AHL is literally a minor league of the NHL with almost zero fanbase and the same rules.

Comparing the "big time" appeal of leagues to the average Canadian is laughable, the CFL is leaps and bounds ahead of the AHL

How many people have ever watched the Calder Cup vs the Grey Cup?

Its at least 100 to 1 most likely for the Grey Cup as far as in Canada

dennis1 · #**156** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

Yeah but they make more than any NFL experiment in TO has so far

Not True. The Bills made a profit while they were here. Argos have not in some time.

BretttheRiderFan · #**157** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

Not True. The Bills made a profit while they were here. Argos have not in some time.

Link to prove that statement?

dennis1 · #**158** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

Maybe because there are millions of CFL fans in this country and thousands of AHL fans

The CFL has been a huge part of the sporting culture of this country for over 100 years, and continues to be

Not to mention the two styles of games are completely different with different athletic skillsets in each league. There are tons of starters in the NFL who would suck hard in the CFL.

The AHL is literally a minor league of the NHL with almost zero fanbase and the same rules.

Comparing the "big time" appeal of leagues to the average Canadian is laughable, the CFL is leaps and bounds ahead of the AHL

How many people have ever watched the Calder Cup vs the Grey Cup?

Its at least 100 to 1 most likely for the Grey Cup as far as in Canada

The fact the Grey Cup get more viewers is an entire issue on itself. 10 years ago the CFL was not even this popular. It had crappy ratings.

But I am talking about face value, and the truth is a few people it as CFL=AHL and the skill argument as a cop out.

And if the CFL is so strong it should be able to handle competition. And drop the 20 Canadian players quota.

BretttheRiderFan · #**159** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by dennis1

The fact the Grey Cup get more viewers is an entire issue on itself. 10 years ago the CFL was not even this popular. It had crappy ratings. But I am talking about face value, and the truth is a few people it as CFL=AHL and the skill argument as a cop out.

And if the CFL is so strong it should be able to handle competition. And drop the 20 Canadian players quota.

The Canadian talent is far better now than it was in the past

Some of the best players in the league are Canadian, which you couldn't say 10 years ago

The CFL hasnt always been this popular, but it has always been one of the biggest sports in the nation for fanbase and the Grey Cup has always drawn millions of viewers even in the worst years

dennis1 · #**160** Posted **Feb 8, 2011, 2:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by BretttheRiderFan

Link to prove that statement?

Rogers lost money and the Bills made a profit.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2008-12-04-toronto-cover_N.htm
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/423169
http://football.ballparks.com/CFL/Toronto/index.htm

Bills made 9.7 million

Argos have lost money for the past 5 years.

What are you so afraid of? If the CFL is strong it will still be here. The CFL is for a record contract from the TSN family.