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[rypinion]

Originally Posted by Bdog

Nowhere did I suggest the lands become a "low income housing project" - I suggested the opposite, stating that if low-income housing is a priorty, it should be dispersed throughout, not concentrated in one area.

You all may be interested in an article in the Free Press from the other day that continues this thought - mega projects aren't necessarily the way to revitalization. Lots of smaller things with great street presence is where it's at.

This was linked to in the Winnipeg Construction forum, but some of you might be interested and may not follow the Winnipeg forum:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/w...-a-year-of-civic-progress-114919599.html

Some of the things happening in downtown Winnipeg are wonderful, and I'm really starting to be happy that (unlike what was proposed for a while) there isn't a humongous stadium going up two blocks from my condo - where there is so much more that could be done with the same (high potential value) land.

[thefourthtower]

Originally Posted by Migs

Its not his idea, although he'll try and make people think it is.
Sorry bdog but I ain't getting baited into another pissin match with you, you know my thoughts on this project and i ain't going to regurjitate them once again. When I said Mandryk finally gets it, it was in regards to the fact that this is project is about much more than just a new stadium, sorry I didn't point out the obvious to you. Its pretty obvious that the only reason why you participate in this thread is to talk down to and try to discredit those who want this project completed as is (ie. as evidenced by your suggestion that we put a lowincome housing project beside the Dewdney Avenue strip, the Casino, and Regina's biggest shopping mall) Brilliant idea lol

That said, if your continuous negative participation in this thread has something to do with a Winnipeg inferiority complex, I don't really know and don't really care. Welcome to my ignore list, you got one Regina stadium thread closed with your Debbie Downer negative "You can't do it" schtick, I ain't going to participate in letting you achieve another.

there is something not right with all his nasty hate filled posts i wish he was banned

[Bdog]

P3 money for Regina stadium unlikely by end of February
Regina MP Tom Lukiwski says feds have to be fair to all provinces

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ShareThisReported By Sarah Mills
Posted February 1, 2011 - 4:25pm

The final whistle won't get blown on the stadium proposal anytime soon.

There was renewed optimism that Regina may be used as a test case of the P3 fund, which the province has applied under.

And the government here is hoping for an answer either way of the end of February .

Regina MP Tom Lukiwski thinks that's doubtful.

"I would be doubtful that there would be word or a decision at that time because there are many other proposals coming in for P3," said Lukiwski.

Lukiwski argues the feds have to be fair to all provinces not just one. He thinks Saskatchewan should start considering other options.

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20110201/46479

[Migs]

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20110201/46479

P3 money for Regina stadium unlikely by end of FebruaryRegina MP Tom Lukiwski says feds have to be fair to all provinces

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ShareThisReported By Sarah Mills
Posted February 1, 2011 - 4:25pm

The final whistle won't get blown on the stadium proposal anytime soon.

There was renewed optimism that Regina may be used as a test case of the P3 fund, which the province has applied under.

And the government here is hoping for an answer either way of the end of February .

Regina MP Tom Lukiwski thinks that's doubtful.

"I would be doubtful that there would be word or a decision at that time because there are many other proposals coming in for P3," said Lukiwski.

Lukiwski argues the feds have to be fair to all provinces not just one. He thinks Saskatchewan should start considering other options.

LOL these guys just can't get their stories straight. I guess it depends which project they are refering to, the Quebec one or the Saskatchewan one. And the bolded statement above proves Likiwski is lying through his teeth as the P3 program closed round two of applications in June.

That said, regardless whatever the feds end up doing, I look forward to the provinces announcement later this month. Like I said in the other thread, my sources tell me in the end this project is going through with or without the fed funding. My guess is the announcement later this month will be to proceed with the purchase of land from CP with the intention of giving the feds a little more time to come up with the money (a good choice given the recent developments of P3 funding perhaps coming available as well as the budget coming down in March and the pressure being put on by QC). Everyone knows that construction cannot begin until 2012 at the earliest (as the railyards start their relocation later this year) so there still is time in that regard. The main point of concern right now is getting the deal finalized with CP.

I hate delays as much as anyone, but that is what happens when you are dealing with various levels of beaurocracy. Interesting times ahead....

[skthunder77]

Originally Posted by Migs

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20110201/46479



LOL these guys just can't get their stories straight. I guess it depends which project they are refering to, the Quebec one or the Saskatchewan one. And the bolded statement above proves Likiwski is lying through his teeth as the P3 program closed round two of applications in June.

That said, regardless whatever the feds end up doing, I look forward to the provinces announcement later this month. Like I said in the other thread, my sources tell me in the end this project is going through with or without the fed funding. My guess is the announcement later this month will be to proceed with the purchase of land from CP with the intention of giving the feds a little more time to come up with the money (a good choice given the recent developments of P3 funding perhaps coming available as well as the budget coming down in March and the pressure being put on by QC). Everyone knows that construction cannot begin until 2012 at the earliest (as the railyards start their relocation later this year) so there still is time in that regard. The main point of concern right now is getting the deal finalized with CP.

I hate delays as much as anyone, but that is what happens when you are dealing with various levels of beaurocracy. Interesting times ahead....

I've had it with these 🞵🞵🞵🞵-clowns....it's time for a change.

[CCF]

Lets just have Goodale represent Saskatchewan in every constituency. No one else has done a thing.

[Chaps]

Originally Posted by CCF

Lets just have Goodale represent Saskatchewan in every constituency. No one else has done a thing.

Agreed.

The feds need to **** or get off the pot. Their ho-humming and thumb-twiddling is wasting time and money.

And even if P3 applications were still coming in, would they not be evaluated on a FIFO basis? So why would that be holding anything up that they currently are looking at. A bunch of BS and hot air if you ask me.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by Chaps

Agreed.

The feds need to **** or get off the pot. Their ho-humming and thumb-twiddling is wasting time and money.

And even if P3 applications were still coming in, would they not be evaluated on a FIFO basis? So why would that be holding anything up that they currently are looking at. A bunch of BS and hot air if you ask me.

Let these guys know how you feel.

Tom Likiwsky
[email protected]

Andrew Scheer
[email protected]

[Migs]

I had a really good conversation with MP Tom Lukiwsky earlier tonight and I have to say I came away very impressed. First of all his comments on newstalk980 yesterday were taken out of context in that he didn't say the province should look at other options per say, just to do so if the end of February deadline is rock solid as unfortunately P3 won't have an answer that early. He said it is very frustrating when reporters pick and choose quotes without telling the whole context of what is said.

He said he wants the new stadium built as much as anyone, just that the feds are facing a very tough decision in that projects around the country are going to want fair and equal share. I then asked him if that is the same guidelines for every funding program in that if Saskatoon gets a new bridge then so does Winnipeg, he didn't have an answer. lol. Also he said to me that the province has 'about' $350-370mil already commited to the project (he said he thinks the numbers are $200mil province, $70-80mil city, $75mil private, and a significant number from the Riders) so even if the feds can't come through they can either look for more funding elsewhere or settle for something a little less 'cadillac' than whats being proposed.

Nevertheless he stressed to me the importance of the revitilization aspect (ie ped bridges, squares, etc) as well as the lowincome housing at the old stadium site as avenues to pursue federal funding in case P3 says no to the stadium. He said there is no doubt in his mind that the feds will be a part of this project, maybe just not the stadium itself. Funding for those types of infrastructure projects are very tough to say no to.

He also said there is zero chance that Quebec City will get funding for their stadium if we don't. He said the govt will be rock solid in that policy as they have been from the get go.

[Welkin]

Originally Posted by Migs

Also he said to me that the province has 'about' $350-370mil already commited to the project (he said he thinks the numbers are $200mil province, $70-80mil city, $75mil private, and a significant number from the Riders) so even if the feds can't come through they can either look for more funding elsewhere or settle for something a little less 'cadillac' than whats being proposed.

For the stakeholders in a community our size to have committed $370 million towards this project is very impressive. I was surprised to see the province being able to commit a giant chunk of $200 million. Lets hope they have better luck selling the bonds than Glendale, AZ. (NHL in Winnipeg thread). But again, overall it is very impressive.

Regardless of previous quotes on this thread, I still don't see this project happening (in its current form) without $100 million plus from the federal government. Since it is going to cost Winnipeg $190 million for their new stadium and Hamilton $160 million for their renovated stadium, how much "less Cadillac" are we talking about for our $370 million? I think the retractable roof is probably out of the question and that was the major selling point of this project. Are we looking at just a bigger version of the FargoDome? Are we really looking at Dome football in the summer?

Unless we can figure out a way to raise another $100-$150 million in the province (unless the Feds kick in and solve all our problems), I'm not sure we should spend our $370 million on a basic dome stadium. I think we should either raise the money and spend $470 million on a really neat retractable roof stadium or spend $190 million on a really nice outdoor stadium. I see no reason to spend $370 million for something in the middle.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Welkin

Unless we can figure out a way to raise another $100-$150 million in the province (unless the Feds kick in and solve all our problems), I'm not sure we should spend our $370 million on a basic dome stadium. I think we should either raise the money and spend $470 million on a really neat retractable roof stadium or spend $190 million on a really nice outdoor stadium. I see no reason to spend $370 million for something in the middle.

good points.

the provincial money I can understand but the city's reported contribution of $80m is the most amazing....i dont know how a city of that size could possibly find that kind of money, but good on them if they have.....that would cripple winnipeg's civic government.

[Migs]

My letter to the editor was in the Leaderpost this morning, I am not sure however how they came up with that title??

http://www.leaderpost.com/opinion/letters/Stadium+right+idea+wrong+place/4215630/story.html

Also there were some very encouraging comments by Premier Wall on the radio this morning (@ 22:50) , every day I am more impressed with how articulate and well spoken this man is, future PM of Canada????... many think so.

http://www.newstalk980.com/audio/john-go...y-live-february-3-2011-premier-brad-wall

[dsim249]

Originally Posted by Migs

My letter to the editor was in the Leaderpost this morning, I am not sure however how they came up with that title??

http://www.leaderpost.com/opinion/letters/Stadium+right+idea+wrong+place/4215630/story.html

Yeah, 🞵🞵🞵?

[Scruff Bucket]

Originally Posted by Migs

My letter to the editor was in the Leaderpost this morning, I am not sure however how they came up with that title??

I notice in the print edition of today's L-P (Feb 3, 2011, page B-8), your letter is sharing the column with this letter by a person who would like to see the stadium located elsewhere in the city ...

http://www.leaderpost.com/Stadium+right+idea+wrong+place/4215626/story.html

Happy Chinese New Year! ... Year of the Rabbit (Feb. 3, 2011)!

[trueviking]

imagine if winnipeg had built a football stadium (and its parking) at the forks when the railyards adjacent to downtown were relocated.....what a lost opportunity that would have been.

just throwing that out there for those who think it is the best use for that type of land.

[Migs]

Originally Posted by trueviking

imagine if winnipeg had built a football stadium (and its parking) at the forks when the railyards adjacent to downtown were relocated.....what a lost opportunity that would have been.

just throwing that out there for those who think it is the best use for that type of land.

Apples and oranges, you guys have a river flowing through your city. And we already have one of the largest and most beautiful urban parks (larger than Central Park in NYC) in North American 5 blocks south of downtown. And I will trust those in reputable urban revilitization organization like Office for Urbanism to those who want to use Winnipeg as a template on how to revitilize a downtown core, thanks. Also of note in regards to the Regina plan, notice in the parking plan in that there will be no new large parking areas in the development.

http://www.cicorp.sk.ca/assets/Documents...Feasibility%20Study%20Infrastructure.pdf

[CCF]

Originally Posted by trueviking

imagine if winnipeg had built a football stadium (and its parking) at the forks when the railyards adjacent to downtown were relocated.....what a lost opportunity that would have been.

just throwing that out there for those who think it is the best use for that type of land.

Surely you don't believe a suburban location would be better? What is the benefit that comes with that location? Ease of parking?

Ask Saskatoon how they feel about CUC (Sask. Place) being located halfway to North Battleford.

[Migs]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=352263

Interesting poll, I thought it would be alot more one-sided with those strongly opposed with the highest percentage (says its only 24%). Its not too often you can get 41% in favour of a govt spending initiative, I am looking at this as a very good sign.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by CCF

Surely you don't believe a suburban location would be better? What is the benefit that comes with that location? Ease of parking?

Ask Saskatoon how they feel about CUC (Sask. Place) being located halfway to North Battleford.

contrary to mig's blind assertion that the office for urbanism has found a way to be successful where nobody else ever has, but no football stadium has been a good generator for urban redevelopment anywhere in north america...not one.....their scale and use is not congruent with urban areas....hockey arenas are a somewhat different story as their use is much higher intensity....even their use as a catalyst is borderline.

btw, the forks isnt a park....when completed it will be a mixed use urban neighbourhood.....a stadium would never have been a catalyst for an urban market, 2 museums, residential development, a theatre, playgrounds etc...we transformed our rail yards into the biggest tourist attraction in the province.....will a football stadium do the same in regina?

there are many excellent examples of transforming railyards in cities....sacramento is a good one.

anyways...i wont argue.....i know this isnt a place for critical debate....rah rah...go riders.

[jigglysquishy]

I pray to god that an arena isn't build out of town. Talk about a completely bonehead move.