The Great Canadian Skyline Thread! - Page 336

caltrane74 · #**6701** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 2:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

These two images really show the difference and are comparable in distance.

You just proved my point.

Toronto highrises are more than Downtown. ie: North York, Scarborough, and Etobicoke all have hundreds, if not thousands of skyscrapers exactly like those posted here. They are not visible in this picture of Downtown Toronto.

The Chemist · #**6702** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

You just proved my point.

Toronto highrises are more than Downtown. ie: North York, Scarborough, and Etobicoke all have hundreds, if not thousands of skyscrapers exactly like those posted here. They are not visible in this picture of Downtown Toronto.

So what? There are literally thousands of skyscrapers in Shanghai's outer districts, as well as the parts of the central districts not included in this photo (particularly Xuhui and Luwan, which are off beyond the right edge of the photo), that are not visible in the Shanghai photo.

caltrane74 · #**6703** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:06 PM**

Well using this photo to prove a point is misleading, when the majority of highrises in both cases is in a wider and more dispersed area. And therefore a much larger photo area is required to do a fair comparison.

Martin Mtl · #**6704** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:14 PM**

Caltrane, you are funny.

Ramako · #**6705** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:14 PM**

Why not just compare using Skyscraper Page maps? It allows you to zoom out, though it's apparently missing a lot of towers in Shanghai.

caltrane74 · #**6706** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Martin Mtl

Caltrane, you are funny.

Guy, I try.

The Chemist · #**6707** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:18 PM**

Cal, how many people do you think live in the area covered by the Shanghai photo? The Toronto photo? And what percentage of each population do you think lives in single family housing?

caltrane74 · #**6708** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Cal, how many people do you think live in the area covered by the Shanghai photo? The Toronto photo?

This is not about people, it's about highrises.

I'm sure the same amount of people live in Mumbai as Shanghai, and probably have nowhere near the amount of highrises. Fair to say, that alot of people moving into Shanghai are peasant farmers, and will likely not be able to afford brand new homes in the sky upon their arrival.

Ramako · #**6709** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:24 PM**

I think Cal's doing some — trolling, with a splash of homerism for flavour... at least I hope so.

The Chemist · #**6710** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

I think Cal's doing some — trolling, with a splash of homerism for flavour... at least I hope so.

I sure hope so. If not, he REALLY needs to get out to Asia to have his eyes opened.

caltrane74 · #**6711** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

I think Cal's doing some — trolling, with a splash of homerism for flavour... at least I hope so.

No way, I'm trolling. I was just stating that Toronto is closer to New York, Chicago and Hong Kong than it is to Vancouver, or Montreal.

Everything else is just gravy, as far as I'm concerned. Just responding to posts as they come up.

Ramako · #**6712** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

No way, I'm trolling. I was just stating that Toronto is closer to New York, Chicago and Hong Kong than it is to Vancouver, or Montreal.

Everything else is just gravy, as far as I'm concerned. Just responding to posts as they come up.

Looking at the numbers on SSP, Toronto is about halfway between Calgary/Vancouver/Montreal and New York/Shanghai/Hong Kong, and if anything is probably a little bit closer to the latter group than the former.

That being said, I think it's silly to directly compare Toronto to a place like New York, Shanghai or Hong Kong. I don't think Chicago is too much of a stretch though as Toronto's not dramatically smaller and is currently outbuilding Chicago by quite a clip.

caltrane74 · #**6713** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ramako

Looking at the numbers on SSP, Toronto is about halfway between Calgary/Vancouver/Montreal and New York/Shanghai/Hong Kong, and if anything is probably a little bit closer to the latter group than the former.

That being said, I think it's silly to directly compare Toronto to a place like New York, Shanghai or Hong Kong. I don't think Chicago is too much of a stretch though as Toronto's not dramatically smaller and is currently outbuilding Chicago by quite a clip.

That's the point, we are not doing a direct comparison.

We are finding the happy middle, ok, actually the happy upper middle closer to the bigger cities than the smaller cities. Based on building height, and number of buildings. This shouldn't even be a comparison really. It should be GAME OVER. And yes the comparison to Chicago is by far the most logical but that wasn't the initial post that started all of this.

The Chemist · #**6714** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

This is not about people, it's about highrises.

I'm sure the same amount of people live in Mumbai as Shanghai, and probably have nowhere near the amount of highrises. Fair to say, that alot of people moving into Shanghai are peasant farmers, and will likely not be able to afford brand new homes in the sky upon their arrival.

Number of people DOES matter. Central Shanghai has a population of 14 million, in an area of about 700 square kilometres. Basically an insignificant fraction of a percentage of that number live in single family houses (there are almost none of these in the entire city, except in the very far suburbs). Of that 14 million, I'd guess that perhaps half of them live in buildings of 10 storeys or more, the remainder living in multistorey (usually between 2 and 7 floors) multifamily housing. So that's the entire population of the GOLDEN HORSESHOE, counting only central Shanghai (i.e. not the outer districts, where plenty of people also live in highrises) living in highrises. Ergo, a hell of a lot more highrises than Toronto, especially since a large percentage of metro Toronto's 5.5 million people live in single family housing, given the vastness of Toronto's suburbs.

The_Architect · #**6715** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Looks like Toronto!

Count the cranes if you like.

It's ok, Cal. It is very obvious that you are stuck to your point of view, come hell or high water.

How 'bout them Loafs?

Now now now no need to bring bread into this.. ( I don't know who the "Loafs" are)

But if you misspelled "Leafs" (which I believe is the case), then no need to bring hockey into this.. as even the Marlies could blow the best Shanghai team out of the water..

But also let it be on the record that I don't consider Toronto in with Shanghai/HK/NYC..
I do, however consider it closer to Chicago than it's been given credit for.. and could possibly pass Chi town within 20 years with a couple supertalls.

caltrane74 · #**6716** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Number of people DOES matter. Central Shanghai has a population of 14 million, in an area of about 700 square kilometres. Basically an insignificant fraction of a percentage of that number live in single family houses (there are almost none of these in the entire city, except in the very far suburbs). Of that 14 million, I'd guess that perhaps half of them live in buildings of 10 storeys or more, the remainder living in multistorey (usually between 2 and 7 floors) multifamily housing. So that's the entire population of the GOLDEN HORSESHOE, counting only central Shanghai (i.e. not the outer districts, where plenty of people also live in highrises) living in highrises. Ergo, a hell of a lot more highrises than Toronto, especially since a large percentage of metro Toronto's 5.5 million people live in single family housing, given the vastness of Toronto's suburbs.

Ok, how many highrises in Shanghai?

Do you have a site than you can reference? I would like to see that data

Otherwise, I'll stick to the Emporis number which is the worldwide authority on Highrises and Skyscrapers.

The Chemist · #**6717** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

Now now now no need to bring bread into this.. ( I don't know who the "Loafs" are)

But if you misspelled "Leafs" (which I believe is the case), then no need to bring hockey into this.. as even the Marlies could blow the best Shanghai team out of the water..

But also let it be on the record that I don't consider Toronto in with Shanghai/HK/NYC..
I do, however consider it closer to Chicago than it's been given credit for.

Given the photos I've seen of Chicago and Toronto, and my personal experience with both cities (limited, to be sure, but I have been to both) I'd certainly say Toronto is on the same level as Chicago.

flar · #**6718** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:44 PM**

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The Chemist · #**6719** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Ok, how many highrises in Shanghai?

Do you have a site than you can reference? I would like to see that data

Otherwise, I'll stick to the Emporis number which is the worldwide authority on Highrises and Skyscrapers.

Here's the best I can do. This article is from 2005, so the number of skyscrapers in Shanghai has only gone up since then.

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/bu...er=MARKETWATCH

"The city says it now has more than 4,000 skyscrapers - buildings 18 stories or higher - far more than New York, according to Emporis, a global real estate research group based in Germany."

caltrane74 · #**6720** Posted **Jan 27, 2011, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by The Chemist

Here's the best I can do. This article is from 2005, so the number of skyscrapers in Shanghai has only gone up since then.

New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/18/bu...er=MARKETWATCH

"The city says it now has more than 4,000 skyscrapers - buildings 18 stories or higher - far more than New York, according to Emporis, a global real estate research group based in Germany."

Alright, thank you.