The Great Canadian Skyline Thread!

[G.S MTL]

Caltrane

What is there to prove? Even photos can tell you lol.
Toronto is up there but not as far up as you think.

[G.S MTL]

Don't really know how old these pictures are but you can clearly see....i dont need to say anything else.


Shanghai





http://www.flickr.com/photos/khedara/




Hong Kong



http://www.flickr.com/photos/roomman/




http://www.flickr.com/photos/49694825@N08/


New York City



http://www.flickr.com/photos/artolog/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/katysilbs/


Chicago



http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinglibrarian/



http://www.flickr.com/photos/over_leaf/


[B]Toronto


http://www.flickr.com/photos/lopoulin/






http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadragebunny/

Ill even post more of Toronto



http://www.flickr.com/photos/jameskoole/

this is a great shot of Toronto...stilll...it doesn't compare.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixiesing/

Montreal here...I would say roughly same distance compared to ^ that one.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/rice_cracka/

[caltrane74]

I think the discussion was along the lines:

Toronto's skyline is closer to Chicago, New York and Hong Kong.

Than it is to Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary.

Nothing in those pictures changes my mind. On numbers alone Toronto has 2 times few highrises than New York, and 1.5 fewer than Shanghai and Toronto actually has twice as many highrises as Chicago.

Toronto has 2.5 to 4 times as many highrises as Vancouver or Montreal. And 10 to 20 more landmark skyscrapers than either.

As far as I am concerned, Calgary, Vancouver, and Montreal need to duke it out for number 2 in Canada. With Calgary edging.

[caltrane74]

Actually, thinking about it, again.

It was close before Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary were pretty even.

Then...

Calgary threw up to massive 200 meter towers, and the game ended right there.
Unless Vancouver and Montreal come —, it will be like for a while. And The Turn alone, will not do it for Vancouver.

[The_Architect]

G.S MTL, to be fair only the second and last picture of Toronto you posted are close to being up-to-date.. A couple of them don't even have Bay-Adelaide!
That being said I agree Toronto is nuts and tops Canada and is a clear 3rd in NA, but it's still not caught up to the giants.
To me out of the cities we've mentioned it's:
1) HK, Shanghai, NY, Chicago, etc.
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2) Toronto
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3) Vancouver/Montreal/Calgary/Seattle/etc...

Though Toronto is gaining ground (on the NA ones at least), and if it gets a supertall that would catapult it even closer to the 1st tier.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

Guy you live there, give me some numbers.

Otherwise your whistling Dixie.

Everyone is talking big game, but no one can back up their talk with numbers.

I deal in hard facts. You say something prove it. give me a website or something. go to cityhall, you live there

scan it. It can't be that hard .

What a load of malarkey. You completely ignore contrarian facts, and utterly dismiss the criticism that existing lists completely lack validity. How many times has it been pointed out that the existing lists severely undercount skyscrapers (Esp. those under construction) in Chinese cities, and in the big cities of other emerging economies?

You just make yourself look ridiculous among the more senior members of the forum. Some of those 16-year old Marble-Loaf underwear-wearing crowd might be impressed, but the rest of us aren't.

What you call facts, I call incomplete data. If it is incomplete, it cannot be valid. And if it is not valid, then it is not a proper basis for comparison.

Quite frankly, the photographs are much more legitimate data.

You must love Forbes. They produce lists by the hour, nevermind that they suffer from extremely poor validity.

[MolsonExport]

Toronto is but a fifth of this (in terms of height, density, frequency, any fukin way you want to slice it). This of course is only a part of Shanghai's skyline:

seadragon@ssp

[giallo]

[QUOTE=caltrane74;5141491
Nothing in those pictures changes my mind. On numbers alone Toronto has 2 times few highrises than New York, and 1.5 fewer than Shanghai and Toronto actually has twice as many highrises as Chicago.[/QUOTE]

What numbers? Last numbers I saw stated Shanghai has 4000 buildings over 100m. Search online and you'll find various sources that attest to it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2004/nov/08/architecture.china

But really, forget the numbers for a moment, and let your eyes do the work. Does this city look like it actually has only 1.5 times more buildings than Toronto? Do you seriously want to defend that statement?




http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22762&page=1


And this is just the central city. Most of Pudong and West Shanghai are missing.

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Toronto is but a fifth of this (in terms of height, density, frequency, any fukin way you want to slice it). This of course is only a part of Shanghai's skyline:




seadragon@ssp

Honestly, there are 3 cranes in that panorama.

[caltrane74]

Originally Posted by giallo

What numbers? Last numbers I saw stated Shanghai has 4000 buildings over 100m. Search online and you'll find various sources that attest to it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2004/nov/08/architecture.china

But really, screw numbers. Let your eyes do the work. Does this city look like it actually has only 1.5 times more buildings than Toronto? Do you seriously want to defend that statement?

That's because all those buildings are concentrated downtown, Toronto's buildings are going into North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke. It is impossible to get a picture of that because of the area, unless you go into space.

[MolsonExport]

Looks like Toronto!

Jacks@SSP

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=177321&highlight=Shanghai


Count the cranes if you like.

It's ok, Cal. It is very obvious that you are stuck to your point of view, come hell or high water.

How 'bout them Loafs?

[Ramako]

As a side note, I notice that there's a lot of generic cookie-cutter — in Shanghai and Hong Kong. That's why New York is tops in my books.

[Bigtime]

Wow, I think most of us are actually dumber for having to read through the last couple of pages.

Edit: CONTENT!



You'll note that Eighth Avenue Place had most of its crown lit up, as well as the spine of LED lighting to the south (left side in the picture). It was looking very sharp.

[MolsonExport]

^only if you take the perspective that learning about other cities than the always posted CalgTor somehow makes one dumber.


Cookie cutter, for sure, but so is 80% of the GTA with their concrete slabs.

I've been longing to dampen the homerism of a few people on this site for quite some time.

[Biff]

I have to say that Toronto has no where near the amount of high-rises as Shanghai. Sorry, i thought that before those pictures but they illustrate it more than ever.

Same goes for New York.

I'm not sure there can be much argument comparing a metro area of around 6 million to an area around 30 million. If that is the case, Winnipeg is in the same category as Toronto.

.......That last pic of Shanghai is unbelievable Molson.

[giallo]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

That's because all those buildings are concentrated downtown, Toronto's buildings are going into North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke. It is impossible to get a picture of that because of the area, unless you go into space.

OK. Last reply to this insanity.

What do you think exists outside of the picture of Shanghai I posted? Farmland? Huts? The density just drops off in to single-family homes? It's highrises for miles and miles. That picture represents about 1/4 of Shanghai's total area. Toronto is not unique in TOD/hub/decentralized highrise development. They've got it down to a science in East Asia.

Caltrane, you're impossible, so it's pointless debating with you.


Nice picture, Bigtime!

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

^only if you take the perspective that learning about other cities than the always posted CalgTor somehow makes one dumber.

I've been longing to dampen the homerism of a few people on this site for quite some time.

Not dumber for learning about other cities, dumber (in the Billy Madison sense) of watching one poster continue to believe his own hype in spite of the massive loads of evidence to the contrary.

I'm all for learning more about the other cities out there.

[Biff]

These two images really show the difference and are comparable in distance.

[caltrane74]

Ok, If I were to agree with all the arguments being made here.

Then,

Based on how you guys are positioning it based on the number of buildings. Then you must grant that Toronto IS closer to Chicago than it is to Montreal or Vancouver. As we have twice the number of highrises of either of those two cities in addition to Chicago. And, maybe more.

[The Chemist]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

That's because all those buildings are concentrated downtown, Toronto's buildings are going into North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke. It is impossible to get a picture of that because of the area, unless you go into space.

That's not downtown - that's probably a little less than half of central Shanghai (i.e the area within the Inner Ring Road). Shanghai doesn't have a single downtown in the sense that North American cities do - instead there are several large 'clusters' where the biggest skyscrapers are found (such as around People's Square/Nanjing Road, Lujiazui - the largest and most prominent, home to Shanghai's supertalls, Xujiahui, Zhongshan Park, etc).