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That's the gist of it. This would be in conjunction with making Metcalfe a two-way street.
For the Queensway on and off-ramps to make sense (and work), wouldn't O'Connor have to made two-way at the same time?
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The Chist Church Cathedral Project

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainme...al+gets+promised+land/3915157/story.html

A good write up about the Chist Church Cathedral Project.

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That's the gist of it. This would be in conjunction with making Metcalfe a two-way street.
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For the Queensway on and off-ramps to make sense (and work), wouldn't O'Connor have to made two-way at the same time?
It's a nice idea, but this is a big can of worms.

A great deal of road infrastructure and some major traffic patterns are at stake. The whole downtown is set up so that Metcalfe and O'Connor function more or less as efficient offramp/onramps into/from the CBD. Not just the Queensway interchanges themselves, but also things like the placement of parking garage ramps downtown (think World Exchange, among others). You mess with this and, I would guess, you'd see gridlock in the whole area around Metcalfe/O'Connor/Laurier/Queen.

If O'Connor and Metcalfe both went two-way, I imagine that O'Connor (and Elgin) would have to take the bulk of the load. Having traffic destined for Metcalfe cut out onto Elgin and then back to Metcalfe via Argyle and McLeod would be untenable, and create chaos on Elgin.

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It's a nice idea, but this is a big can of worms.

A great deal of road infrastructure and some major traffic patterns are at stake. The whole downtown is set up so that Metcalfe and O'Connor function more or less as efficient offramp/onramps into/from the CBD. Not just the Queensway interchange themselves, but also things like the placement of parking garage ramps downtown (think World Exchange, among others). You mess with this and, I would guess, you'd see gridlock in the whole area around Metcalfe/O'Connor/Laurier/Queen.

If O'Connor and Metcalfe both went two-way, I imagine that O'Connor (and Elgin) would have to take the bulk of the load. Having traffic destined for Metcalfe cut out onto Elgin and then back to Metcalfe via Argyle and McLeod would be untenable, and create chaos on Elgin.
I agree, it will not be a simple undertaking. If additional underground parking and green space is the goal I wonder what it would take to tunnel Metcalfe in its current configuration, having the park continue overtop of it?

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I agree, it will not be a simple undertaking. If additional underground parking and green space is the goal I wonder what it would take to tunnel Metcalfe in its current configuration, having the park continue overtop of it?

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Sure, lots of real cities do stuff like that, Connecticut Ave under Dupont Circle in DC would be an obvious example.
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Don't know if anyone has seen this. A few days ago in the Ottawa Citizen:

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OTTAWA — Peter Hume wants to add some clarity to City Hall's urban planning and simultaneously restore a little faith in the city government.

The Alta Vista councillor and chairman of city council's planning committee is set to launch an ambitious process to overhaul some of the more nebulous language in the city's official plan that seems to consistently allow developers to build higher-than-called-for buildings, against the wishes of their neighbours.

Hume is calling for more specific height restrictions with less wiggle room for exceptions: a five-storey maximum for traditional pedestrian-friendly main drags, like Bank Street, and 10 storeys for car-oriented arterials, like Carling Avenue.

"We've experienced a lack of certainty (in planning) that hurts our credibility as a city and as a planning department," says Hume. "People say we're in the development community's pocket, that we only do what they want.

"It doesn't inspire confidence in the community or in the planning process."

No kidding.

During the three-day planning committee meeting that dealt with Ashcroft Homes' controversial rezoning application for the Soeurs de la Visitation site in Westboro, residents didn't pull any punches.

One man referred to the community's "outrage" at the city's planning department. Another mused that "staff have spent too much time drinking developer Kool-Aid." One woman said that Ashcroft didn't need to attend the planning meeting because the city's own staff was doing "a great job of representing them." Yet another turned in her seat, looked directly at the city planners sitting beside her and said, "Who are you guys working for, anyway?"

It's clear where anger comes from. Developers routinely ask for exceptions to heights and density, city staff usually backs them up. And when the elected council disagrees, usually at the urging of the community, the developer virtually always wins on appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board, a provincial tribunal that can overturn city planning decisions.

This conflict presents the planning committee -- and, by extension, council -- with "an incredible dilemma," says Hume.

On one hand, as stewards of the public purse, councillors don't want to decide against developers knowing that they'll likely lose at a subsequent OMB hearing. Indeed, the city has spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions, on legal bills defending decisions that were ultimately overturned. On the other, city politicians don't want to vote against the wishes of the community.

So Hume has come up with a possible solution. But first, a few definitions.

The official plan is a legal document, passed by a post-amalgamation city council in 2003 and given a major update last year. It calls for, among other things, intensification in some areas of the city. While the plan does give height limits for traditional and arterial mainstreets, it also contains vague language allowing developers to build higher if they meet certain conditions.

For example, they can ask for greater height if the development "fosters the creation of a community focus where the proposal is on a corner lot or if a higher building is compatible with the existing neighbourhood."

In addition to the official plan, there are also community design plans and secondary plans. These are sort of mini-versions of the OP (as those in the know call the official plan), that pertain to a specific area in the city. Unlike a community design plan -- which is a set of guidelines, not rules -- a secondary plan is a legal document that is fully part of the OP.

So here's Hume's blueprint for greater clarity.

First of all, he needs to be reelected as planning committee chairman. Membership in city council's standing committees is expected to be decided at the Dec. 15 council meeting. If Hume is not re-elected by his colleagues, it will be considered a major upset.

Once that's confirmed, Hume says the plan needs to be clearer about exactly when and where intensification is meant to be allowed. He also wants to update the existing zoning. Right now, it's a compilation of the zoning bylaws from the pre-amalgamation cities, just written together into one law. In many parts of the city, zoning does not match the official plan. Match zoning to plan, Hume's thinking goes, and developers will know not to even ask for exceptions, except in rare cases.

Hume says he'll be "proposing to strengthen the language in the main plan, but secondary plans and community design plans are very neighbourhood specific and therefore are best reviewed by the local councillor." To that end, he's suggesting that each councillor and their communities be given a chance "to determine if the heights in the local secondary or community design plan meets unique nature of each community."

It's a mammoth job that will take the new council's entire four-year term, maybe longer. But Hume believes it's worth it to repair a process that now "seems mysterious to most taxpayers."

Take the case of 793 Richmond Rd., a 15-storey condominium tower about halfway between Westboro to the east and Woodroffe Avenue to the west.

What is promising to be a hand some building from award-winning Charlesfort Developments was one of the first projects to come along after the OP was passed by council in 2003.

In a conflict that would play itself out a number of times over the next several years, the proposed project pitted the community against the developer, with the city trying to play referee.

The existing zoning for the area allowed for 13.8-metre high structures, or about four storeys. But the official plan called for intensification in the area, so the developer understandably expected a zoning variation for the property. That part of Richmond Road is deemed an "arterial main street," and the official plan at that time called for up to eight storeys on arterials.

So how did 793 Richmond end up being 15 storeys high?

Although the condo building towers over everything else in the vicinity, the developer argued that the building was compatible with the neighbourhood. City planners agreed. Neighbours did not.

If Hume has his way under his new proposal, the official plan would call for 10 storeys on that part of Richmond Road, period. The zoning for that height would have already been in place. The developer would have known that before purchasing the property, tailoring his bid accordingly.

"If the neighbours had known in advance that it was zoned for 10 storeys, would they have been happy?" says Hume. "Maybe not. But they would have known what was going to happen, and there'd be an acceptance of it."

If fact, he points out, he doesn't think that the changes he's proposing are going to please everyone.

"Most people resist change," Hume says, but it's coming. He hopes his proposals will help reduce the friction intensification inevitably brings.

He's facing a number of obstacles.

Because amendments to the official plan naturally get the full municipal-process treatment, there will likely be rounds of intense discussions with stakeholders and public consultations, not to mention legal arguments over any proposed changes.

Michael Polowin, an Ottawa lawyer who often represents local developers, professes skepticism about the plan. He says that a city's intensification plan requires flexibility to deal with things like site-specific issues, and the ever-changing trends in development.

"A city's growth is a fluid, living thing, it isn't written in granite," says Polowin. "People may look down on Merivale Road today, but not so many years ago it was considered the height of modernity."

The city's planning staffers are so far reserving formal comment. They haven't seen a formal submission yet from Hume. Privately, they favour some flexibility in the plan, but agree some of its language could be more prescriptive.

Some community leaders are cautiously optimistic.

Gary Ludington of the Westboro Village Community Association says developers want greater heights, especially in the north end of the city, because upper-level condos offer "tremendous views" of the Ottawa River and the Gatineau Hills. So he's not expecting that to abate any time soon.

"Maybe we can come up with something that's more definitive for everybody and it's not the developers having one view, city planners have something similar, and the community having another view and on and on," he says.

Hume doesn't pretend that exceptions would never happen, but says increases in height will be exactly that, exceptions rather than the rule.

"The goal of my proposals is to limit the amount of developer-driven rezoning and create an environment in which the building only needs a site plan or building permit."

Hume argues that more certainty is also better for developers, who he says get a bad rap when "a lot of it is the city's fault." Developers are simply doing what they usually do: build as much as is allowable. The city needs to make the rules clearer for everyone. Then if someone doesn't agree with it, they can work to try to change the policy.

Hume is quick to point out that he's not trying to pick on a certain developer by using 793 Richmond as an example of how intensification policies -- and projects -- have led to conflict in the community in last few years.

In fact, he says growth depends on more developments from respected companies like Charlesfort, "just with less controversy."
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I might feel better about where he intends to go with this if the example chosen to illustrate the problem were not such a good building.
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The new building on St-Joseph behind Place Vincent Massey will be 10 floors and will be occupied by Environment Canada.
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They are excavating the lot formerly occupied by an Ultramar gas station on Montcalm street just beside an existing appartment building. The lot is small so I don't think there is anything big planned there unless I'm wrong. Probably just some decontamination work right now.
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http://www.obj.ca/Local/Tourism/2010-12-...e-Plaza%3B-plans-%2425M-in-renovations/1

Looks like the Crown Plaza has been sold and is to be renovated and converted into a Delta. Makes you wonder if the Delta Hotel just up the street will be sold off or redeveloped.

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Looks like the Crown Plaza has been sold and is to be renovated and converted into a Delta. Makes you wonder if the Delta Hotel just up the street will be sold off or redeveloped.

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Opps I just made a thread...I had not seen your post. Sorry I was not trying to one-up you

I am wondering if Crowne Plaza has something to do with the Rideau Centre's Rumoured hotel.

Crowne Plaza was the big winner the Congress Centre was torn down (and on strike). Probably a good time for them to sell since that temporary business is pretty much done now. This leads me to believe they may want of the action around the new convention centre.
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I am wondering if Crowne Plaza has something to do with the Rideau Centre's Rumoured hotel.

Crowne Plaza was the big winner the Congress Centre was torn down (and on strike). Probably a good time for them to sell since that temporary business is pretty much done now. This leads me to believe they may want of the action around the new convention centre.
It deserves its own thread, no worries. A new soaring hotel and residence combo would anchor the Rideau St./Nicholas corridor nicely, especially if the Arts Court redevelopment goes forward. Lets see what happens.
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New Charlesfort condo called "The Merit" has an ad in today's paper saying the launch is in early January. I suspect, by the art deco shape of the logo, that this is the Lisgar site (at last).
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New Charlesfort condo called "The Merit" has an ad in today's paper saying the launch is in early January. I suspect, by the art deco shape of the logo, that this is the Lisgar site (at last).
Here's the thread, needs an updated title now that the condo has a name.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=178393&page=3
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Can anyone tell me how someone can be allowed to build a sidescraper in Centretown? The same neighbourhood that fought tooth and nail to save the Metropolitan Bible Church's fascade (yuck) is now home to a 12-15 storey highrise covered in what appears to be aluminum siding. Where was David Gladstone to fight this one? It's an apartment building on Maclaren between Kent and Bank and it used to be all brick. Over the last year, they replaced the railings with disgusting white ones and have covered some (but not all) of the faces of the building with greige siding. A large part of me still hopes that this "renovation" is temporary and the brick will be replaced, but it looks pretty permanent. It's embarassing that many great buildings and proposals have to fight for their existance with council and the OMB (with some even being cancelled due to too much resistance), while some cheap idiot can leave a scar like this on our urban landscape. I wonder if there is a mechanism to complain about these types of things and if theree is anything that can be done about it. A photo I took from my balcony this morning showing the top of the building in question:



A shot from 1 year ago:




Someone please tell me the siding is temporary!?!

With the stagnation at Bank and Somerset, the Distributel building (those of you in Centretown know what I mean), that empty lot beside the James Street Pub full of weeds, and now this, Centretown is a great neighbourhood that is at risk of becomming one of the ugliest in Canada IMO. I am moving from Centretown in 6 months, but I still work here regularly and I am very worried that red tape (and lack thereof in the case of our new sidescraper) is going to stifle any momentum this neighbourhood once had. Am I being too cynical?

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Unfortunately there is no way the city can dictate in subjective aesthetic issues like that. Technically the building is not decrepit, the finishing materials are just questionable in taste. Asking the property owner to change the cladding is like telling someone to change their clothes because you hate the way they look.
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Add this ugly patch on that building too and the Doyle & Salewski building as well. This is right beside a lot where there was a building that was victim of an arson a few years ago and still by the looks of it has not filled and the neighbors not putting decent renovations/repairs and keep it as a god afwul scar.
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Can anyone tell me how someone can be allowed to build a sidescraper in Centretown?
It's subsidised housing / affordable housing / social housing, it's called Maclaren Towers, it's run by Ottawa Community Housing I think. http://www.och.ca/site/index.php?option=com_ezrealty&Itemid=123&task=detail&id=24

They clad it because it's poorly insulated; by adding extra insulation they will save on heating/cooling costs. It was built in 1972, I assume as a part of the 1960s-1970s wave of building this type of subsidised apartment building in cities across the western world. It does stick out like a sore thumb, being over the height profile of surrounding buildings by about 15-18 storeys.
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From the 18th floor this morning, I've noticed a tall crane way to the south. I would estimate roughly around the Alta Vista/Elmvale area. It is not in the Trainyards because the crane is well past the Hampton Hotel and it is behind the Riverside Drive and Lees Avenue towers. Actually, it is near or right along the Hydro Corridor and there are already some low to mid-rise buildings around it. My thinking was probably something being built at the Hospital Complex, being on the east side of downtown and over 15 stories over ground level, I think you should be able to see the Hospital Complex, more specifically the General and CHEO from east downtown. Maybe those at the Mondrian and Hudson Park might be able to see it if you are not obstructed by L'Esplanade Laurier.

I'm posting this because I don't think it has its own thread, or it doesn't look to be significant.
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whatever it is i can just see it through the trees in front of my window. if you look closely you can see a crane. the arrow is the main building of the general.
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