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Old Posted Dec 14, 2010, 5:56 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but if a project is scaled down -- say, a few stories are chopped off -- it doesn't have to re-enter the entitlement process again, does it?
It's my understanding that it does not, since it should have less of an environmental impact.

I'm one of the forumers that wishes this hotel/office would be built on one of Downtown's numerous empty parcels and leave the Wilshire Grand alone, BUT this is damn beautiful and will be great for the neighborhood, so bring it on!
     
     
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It will stand out nicely along the motley 1970's/80's corporate towers that, unfortunately, define much of our Downtown. Build, build, build! But ONLY if there is a guarantee that funds/financing for construction will be available immediately following the Wilshire Grand's demolition, so that we will not be left with yet another eyesore vacant alot, a la Wilshire/La Brea.
     
     
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Just read the LA Curbed article on the building. They said that if the building goes into construction, the developer will spen 9 million improving the 7th Street sidewalks, and will partially fund a study of the feasibility of the 101 Park. So, awesome all around.
     
     
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Dude! Where have YOU been? Target now attracts the same demographics as upscale chains like Neimans and Barneys.

No joke:

Girlfriend! Well, since you ask, I've been about everywhere and done about everything, sometimes when I wasn't even being paid! But Neiman sells shoes for well over $1000, dresses for 5k and jewelry for 30k and higher. I don't see the Target crowd going for much of that.

More seriously, the approach of putting Target on the lower levels and smaller retail and food on the upper level make more sense. My guess is Neiman, if it comes at all, will want to position in South Park, east on 7th or (hope against hope) on Broadway.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2010, 8:42 PM
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As I mentioned on another thread, the Astani project whether 35 or 53 stories will (I think) be the tallest building that far east. Hill, Bway and Spring were pretty built-up before the new height limits.

It will also get rid of one of the largest parking lots around and give impetus for fill-in on 8th, Olive and hopefully around the jewelry district generally. Some home furnishings, design or other home type stuff mixed in with the jewelry stores could make some sense there. Beautiful old buildings but not so much on the first two floors.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2010, 9:02 PM
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^Sounds great! The Jewelry district is ripe for more conversions and has many hidden gems....
     
     
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Blogdowntown reports that AEG will reveal the Stadium renderings tomorrow! exciting times in downtown.
     
     
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^ Since both of us are obviously sports fanatics, I will say to you that we should lower our expectations. That way we won't be nearly as disappointed. Bring on the blah stadium!
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2010, 12:05 AM
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Speaking of 8th and Olive, that large building on Olive just north of 8th has been cleaned up (retirement homes, I think), with new retail spaces. I think Related bought it last year. If they trim the trees out front, the retail will be great.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2010, 12:16 AM
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Those renderings of the Korean Air/Thomas Properties towers are simply breath taking.

In fact, it doesn't even look like something LA would build here because there are so few towers on that scale architecturally.

I really can't wait to see what the intersection of 7th/Fig will look like 10 years from now! It will be unrecognizable.
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Speaking of 8th and Olive, that large building on Olive just north of 8th has been cleaned up (retirement homes, I think), with new retail spaces. I think Related bought it last year. If they trim the trees out front, the retail will be great.

This is why OPUS is so important because it ties together the historic core with the fidi and those precious retail spaces that are responsible for activating streets with pedestrian activity!

Hopefully we get businesses akin to what's going on around the corner like D-Town Burger, Colori Kitchen, Golden Gopher, etc.

It would be nice if we had more cheaper eats and more ethnic variety such as some Cantonese restaurants you would find in Monterey Park (like JJ Cafe on Garvey Ave).
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This is why OPUS is so important because it ties together the historic core with the fidi and those precious retail spaces that are responsible for activating streets with pedestrian activity!
OPUS? Can you guys fill me in? First I've heard of this one.

EDIT: Nevermind...found it. Didn't realize its the 8th and Grand project you all were talking about earlier. Looks pretty great!
     
     
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Blogdowntown reports that AEG will reveal the Stadium renderings tomorrow! exciting times in downtown.
What?!? This is surly the best and biggest week for development in the past year. I mean, first Opus, then Wilshire Grand, now this? Wow.
     
     
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What?!? This is surly the best and biggest week for development in the past year. I mean, first Opus, then Wilshire Grand, now this? Wow.
Yeah, and it sounds too good to be true. Personally, I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
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nice that some things seem to be hitting the news right now. this thread is showing a bit of life after going though a looong lull.

I wish the wilshire grand hotel could be fixed up & its replacement built somewhere not too far way. A good location would be the parking lot across Fig from the 7th marketplace shopping ctr. but since the current hotel yells "1950s!!!" & has always been kind of an eyesore in its own right, I can see why the owners want to tear it down.

something about the drawings of the wilshire/grand----which look quite good-----make me think of the park fifth proj across from Pershing sq. Imagine if that proj had broken ground when originally estimated & if it & the korean airlines proj were both rising in 2011.

I parked in the lot several months ago where opus is supposed to be built. the lot's surface is in bad shape, lots of potholes. If it has to remain a parking lot, why can't the owner at least clean it up?! Put some landscaping around it. is that asking too much? at least some of the lots around staples ctr don't look so semi abandoned & makeshift.

I'm very curious about what the proposed stadium will look like. I recall AEG first talking about building a stadium a few blocks east of Staples, around where eleven/evo/luma are now located. but that was over 5 yrs ago, & AEG sold all its land where the stadium could have gone up.

I saw a report on sunday's 60 minutes about the new stadium in Dallas. One thing that stood out to me is it has a huge display board, or what really is the world's largest TV. I've also seen aerial shots of that shiny new stadium & it's surrounded by nothing but a sea of parking lots. Looks boring, where a spectator definitely will do nothing but drive in to see the game, park, go to the game & then drive out ASAP. that's why I think a stadium next to staples & la live, & not surrounded by huge lots (like at dodgers stadium) at least will offer a better experience to more visitors.
     
     
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My guess is Neiman, if it comes at all, will want to position in South Park, east on 7th or (hope against hope) on Broadway.
that type of store is totally dependent on being near alot of potential shoppers who have plenty of $$ to spend. Ppl who run high end businesses may give more than 2 seconds of consideration to the hood if thousands & thousands----& thousands----of more ppl, with lots of disposable income, move to DT. Not sure if that level will be reached soon enough so that talk about neiman moving in is no less realistic than talk about wal mart moving in.

meanwhile, the idea of trader joe's moving to the hood is way more realistic than the idea of a $$ dept store doing the same thing. But for whatever reason, TJs continues to avoid setting up a branch in DT.
     
     
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I'm very curious about what the proposed stadium will look like. I recall AEG first talking about building a stadium a few blocks east of Staples, around where eleven/evo/luma are now located. but that was over 5 yrs ago, & AEG sold all its land where the stadium could have gone up.
Current plans for the stadium is that they would put it where the West Hall of the Convention Center is now, and that they would move the West Hall to a different location.
     
     
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But Neiman sells shoes for well over $1000, dresses for 5k and jewelry for 30k and higher. I don't see the Target crowd going for much of that.
I believe the Neiman in the renderings is not a standard Neiman Marcus but a Last Call, Neiman's outlet store equivalent to Nordstrom Rack. Big difference there. There probably is a lot of overlap between hipsters who shop at Target and folks who frequent outlet stores.
     
     
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The latest issue of Access magazine (published by the UC Transportation Center at UC Berkeley) has an interesting article about density in the LA metropolitan region. It looks at both average density and perceived density. The Los Angeles metro region has the nation's highest average density (number of people divided by the amount of land), higher than both NY and SF.


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The article notes that population in the LA metro region is much more evenly distributed than other large urban areas such as New York, San Francisco, or DC. This leads the author of the article to use perceived density as a measure of how dense a region is.

The article notes:

"A good way of conceptualizing the difference between "standard density" and "perceived density" is that where standard density measures the average amount of land around each resident of a city, perceived density measures the average number of people around each resident of that city. Measuring perceived density involves four steps: 1. Divide the city into small geographic units such as census tracts. 2. Calculate the standard density of each of these census tracts. 3. Assign a weight to each census tract that is equal to its share of the total population of the city. 4. Average the weighted densities of all of the city's census tracts. This produces a weighted or "perceived" density for the city."

Based on this measure of density, the NY metropolitan area is nearly three times as dense and the Los Angeles metropolitan region. LA is denser, however, than Philadelphia, Chicago, and Boston, all cities thought by most people to be older, dense pre-WWII cities.


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http://www.uctc.net/access/37/access37_sprawl.shtml
     
     
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^What a weird list. I guess I don't understand moves 3 and 4 in the methodology. Having lived in/been to a few of those places I guess my subjective perception would produce a quite different list.

Would be great to put in city discussions though.
     
     
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