NEW YORK | One World Trade Center | 1,776' Pinnacle / 1,373' Roof | 108 FLOORS - Page 544

JoePDX · #**10861** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 4:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by MadGnome

The tallest WFC buildings (the ones with the green tops) are 50 and 54 floors.
WTC 7 is 52 floors.
WTC1 floor numbers from 20 on up are apparently measured from the lowest part of the structure, 70 some feet below ground level.

What? That makes no sense. Why are the the floors from 20 on up based on measurements 70 feet below ground level? Someone give me a schematic drawing? I'm aware that the base consists of a tall lobby and that there are no "floors" per say in the base and some of the tower, but dont they compensate this by numbering the actual floors based on how they would be numbered if the tower had 105 floors top to bottom?

Pbellamy · #**10862** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 4:39 PM**

This thread is absolutely full of discussion on the height and floor numbering. Can we avoid going over this again?

There are lots of answers if you take a few minutes to search

Obey · #**10863** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pbellamy

This thread is absolutely full of discussion on the height and floor numbering. Can we avoid going over this again?

There are lots of answers if you take a few minutes to search

I agree. I never understand the constant bickering and questions about different heights. The buildings are what they are.

JoePDX · #**10864** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 4:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obey

I agree. I never understand the constant bickering and questions about different heights. The buildings are what they are.

Im not bickering But there is no way, by looking at current pics of WTC1 placed against current buildings in the skyline, that it is close to 50 stories tall. Im just trying to clear up why its supposedly NOW 47-48s stories tall when it obviously isnt.

Zensteeldude · #**10865** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 5:48 PM**

But it's not 48 floors high. They are erecting steel for the 47th and 48th floors.

They have to call each floor something, what number they give to a particular floor is really unimportant, except to the elevator manufacturer who has to make the numbered buttons.

One would be hard pressed to find a high rise building anywhere in the world with perfectly, consecutively numbered floors.

Just one of several reasions why the floor numbers don't mach the floor count:
The number 13 is considered unlucky in the western world so most buildings don't have a 13th floor. (By the way, neither does Tower One.)

In some parts of China the number four is considered unlucky becouse the number four sounds very simmiler to the word death. So there would be no floors 4, 14, 24, etc.

STR · #**10866** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 7:33 PM**

^Yeah, but Tower 1 doesn't have a 13th because they're skipping 7-19 inclusive. The old WTC buildings had 13th floors, except for maybe the hotel. I don't have any info on that building's scheme.

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Originally Posted by JoePDX

What? That makes no sense. Why are the the floors from 20 on up based on measurements 70 feet below ground level? Someone give me a schematic drawing? I'm aware that the base consists of a tall lobby and that there are no "floors" per say in the base and some of the tower, but dont they compensate this by numbering the actual floors based on how they would be numbered if the tower had 105 floors top to bottom?

I think they really just picked a nice round number. If they were going to use any logic, they'd probably count 13'4" increments from the lobby floor, which would put the office on about the 15th.

Actually, that's a pretty round number too. They should have gone with that. Oh well, they're not going to change it now.

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Originally Posted by MadGnome

The tallest WFC buildings (the ones with the green tops) are 50 and 54 floors.
WTC 7 is 52 floors.

Yeah, but the World Trade Center is using floors that are 13'4 to 13'6 high. The World Financial Center uses 12'6 floor heights. The original WTC used 12' floor heights. So 50 floors could mean anything from 600 feet to 675 feet.

sw5710 · #**10867** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 8:01 PM**

I understand different buildings have different floor heights. It may depend also where they start counting from. That is why things dont line up with Floors or feet from building to building. With 1WTC I just take the base from ground level to the start of floor 20 and compare that to the floors from 20 up to get an equivalent. The base comes out to near 14 or 15 office floors of 13'4'' in this building. Otherwise I think some kind of cladding or windows might be placed next week. but we have heard that before. Only they know the date!.

sw5710 · #**10868** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 8:40 PM**

It looks like they mix concrete with the fireproofing then apply it to the steel and smooth it out to look like concrete beams.

sw5710 · #**10869** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 8:48 PM**

I meant to say it looks like concrete was poured in form over the beams. it's smooth and you cant see the I-beam shape.

eXodius · #**10870** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 8:57 PM**

To think this was how the site looked exactly a year ago. Amazing how much progress has been made this year!

Draegen · #**10871** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 9:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zensteeldude

In some parts of China the number four is considered unlucky becouse the number four sounds very simmiler to the word death. So there would be no floors 4, 14, 24, etc.

Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary?

sw5710 · #**10872** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 9:55 PM**

I know it's off topic but did you know some hotels in vegas go from 39 to 60!.

STR · #**10873** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Draegen

Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary?

It's not that obscure of a fact. "Four" in mandarin sounds a lot like the word for death. So...bad luck.

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Originally Posted by Draegen

Hey STR do you think you could get a pic of 1WTC and the Empire State Building together?

The ESB isn't my work, so until I make one myself, I'm not going to stick it front and center in anything. You CAN compare 1WTC to another World's Tallest, albeit one I'm not quite done with.

Zensteeldude · #**10874** Posted **Nov 13, 2010, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by sw5710

I meant to say it looks like concrete was poured in form over the beams. it's smooth and you cant see the I-beam shape.

The fire proofing is cement based and about 2 to 3 inches thick so it does hide much of the beam profile.

You may also be looking at columns with stiffener plates so either with or without fire proofing they look like box sections.

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Originally Posted by Draegen

Lol, did you watch the elevator documentary?

Yes, but I also lived with a Zen Buddhist for three years, she happenes to be about 1/4 Chinese and lived in China working as an interpreter for 2 years.