Winnipeg - Of Interest

[viperred88]

Originally Posted by h0twired

These types of traffic circles exist in many winter laden cities without issue.

The problem in Winnipeg is that people love their cars, love to complain about anything and generally hate change of any type.

yep, people in st . vital have one I know of and two on waterfront drive have for awhile and so far they adjusted.

but I wonder how speed bumps and deep grouted concrete patchs would work since it would be less confusing to the pedestrian crossing the traffic circle.

[vid]

People will just fly over the speed bumps. I see it all the time here in parking lots. Some of them even damage their cars doing it but don't seem to care. And it would probably be an obstacle to snow plows, I don't know how speed bumps affect them but I imagine it is similar to hitting a curb. That's a horrible sound to hear at 2am, btw. Sounds like a giant metallic Godzilla in terrible pain.

[viperred88]

Originally Posted by h0twired

These types of traffic circles exist in many winter laden cities without issue.

The problem in Winnipeg is that people love their cars, love to complain about anything and generally hate change of any type.

Originally Posted by vid

People will just fly over the speed bumps. I see it all the time here in parking lots. Some of them even damage their cars doing it but don't seem to care. And it would probably be an obstacle to snow plows, I don't know how speed bumps affect them but I imagine it is similar to hitting a curb. That's a horrible sound to hear at 2am, btw. Sounds like a giant metallic Godzilla in terrible pain.

I have put those things you mentioned into considerations.... Really the trick is take narrower residential streets and/ or more trees planted alongside the road to give it an optical illusion that it is narrow. maybe even add more fourway stops even though it would inconvenience alot of drivers and would probably end up having many stop signs as does the north end.

As a pedestrian i wish most intersection were raised so we would not get our feet always wait and it would probably slow traffic down somewhat.

[vid]

Another option is to have islands in the street or have parts of the boulevard jut out so the street winds. Something like the photo below but not as hideous.



This is something I want on my street. It's an arterial, two lanes with parking on either side, but parking is rarely used and people regularly use it to pass on the right at high speed. Replacing some parking spots with something like that wouldn't impact shoppers or traffic but would make it safer for people waiting to cross.

[JayM]

Originally Posted by vid

Another option is to have islands in the street or have parts of the boulevard jut out so the street winds. Something like the photo below but not as hideous.



This is something I want on my street. It's an arterial, two lanes with parking on either side, but parking is rarely used and people regularly use it to pass on the right at high speed. Replacing some parking spots with something like that wouldn't impact shoppers or traffic but would make it safer for people waiting to cross.

Wow that looks like a mess!

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by viperred88

I have put those things you mentioned into considerations.... Really the trick is take narrower residential streets and/ or more trees planted alongside the road to give it an optical illusion that it is narrow.

Or simply allow parking on both sides of the street where 4 cars (or even 3.75) will fit.

Many people have a tough time driving along side a row of parked cars and would probably just slow down due to their own nervousness.

[1ajs]

not realy u still have yahoos that will still speed down the strees

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by h0twired

These types of traffic circles exist in many winter laden cities without issue.

The problem in Winnipeg is that people love their cars, love to complain about anything and generally hate change of any type.

Granted other cities do have traffic circles and they do work, but they work because these roads where built to accommodate traffic circles to begin with, on a narrow roadway like Roch cars literally have to squeeze between the circle and curbs, we'll see how they work in winter with a meter of snow.

[JayM]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Granted other cities do have traffic circles and they do work, but they work because these roads where built to accommodate traffic circles to begin with, on a narrow roadway like Roch cars literally have to squeeze between the circle and curbs, we'll see how they work in winter with a meter of snow.

That's what I am talking about streets designed to accommodate the traffic circle. Narrow streets with the traffic circles will cause accidents because the lack of room. For anyone to say that this is acceptable is a moron and is a total waste of time. Welcome to Winnipeg where we half ass projects.

[flatlander]

Originally Posted by JayM

That's what I am talking about streets designed to accommodate the traffic circle. Narrow streets with the traffic circles will cause accidents because the lack of room. For anyone to say that this is acceptable is a moron and is a total waste of time. Welcome to Winnipeg where we half ass projects.

So far no accidents or scrapes that i can see on the traffic circle beside my house ... and traffic seems to be moving a bit more slowly but more efficiently too (no full stops - not that anyone did anyway).

[Only The Lonely..]

Collision at traffic circle sends one to hospital
By: Staff Writer | Winnipeg Free Press - October 20th, 2010


WINNIPEG - A Winnipeg man was taken to hospital Wednesday after a two-vehicle collision at one of the controversial traffic circles in River Heights.

Winnipeg police said a man, believed to be in his 50s or 60s, suffered upper-body injuries when his car collided with a pickup truck at Grosvenor Avenue and Waverley Street shortly after 9 a.m. He was taken to hospital in stable condition.

Police said the collision is under investigation.

But Don McNeill, the driver of the pickup truck, slammed the city for installing the traffic circles.

"A child could look at that and say there is something wrong," McNeill said, gesturing towards the circle.

"It’s probably one step away from criminal."

McNeill said while waiting for emergency responders several area residents told him they believe the circles are dangerous and have been asking the city to take them out. He said the residents told him there had been another collision at the same intersection on Tuesday night, while emergency crews said they have been responding to collisions at traffic circles across the city.

A passerby, who didn’t wish to be named, said "what did they expect? There has been no education how to use them.

"This was only a matter of time."

[flatlander]

This is why I moved out of River Heights... everyone is so uppity!

I agree there has been no education on how to use these things. That being said you don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure them out. There are big freakin arrows pointing you in the right direction ... yield means yield. Not play chicken.

I have one immediately outside my house. Most people slow down, look at them for a second, then proceed. No near misses that i've seen and no damage to the circle itself. It is much simpler to drive down the street now without a four way stop every short block.

It's easier for bikes, it's easier for cars - what is the problem??

[vid]

Originally Posted by flatlander

It's easier for bikes, it's easier for cars - what is the problem??

It's change, and change is scary.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

Collision at traffic circle sends one to hospital
By: Staff Writer | Winnipeg Free Press - October 20th, 2010


WINNIPEG - A Winnipeg man was taken to hospital Wednesday after a two-vehicle collision at one of the controversial traffic circles in River Heights.

Winnipeg police said a man, believed to be in his 50s or 60s, suffered upper-body injuries when his car collided with a pickup truck at Grosvenor Avenue and Waverley Street shortly after 9 a.m. He was taken to hospital in stable condition.

Police said the collision is under investigation.

But Don McNeill, the driver of the pickup truck, slammed the city for installing the traffic circles.

"A child could look at that and say there is something wrong," McNeill said, gesturing towards the circle.

"It’s probably one step away from criminal."

McNeill said while waiting for emergency responders several area residents told him they believe the circles are dangerous and have been asking the city to take them out. He said the residents told him there had been another collision at the same intersection on Tuesday night, while emergency crews said they have been responding to collisions at traffic circles across the city.

A passerby, who didn’t wish to be named, said "what did they expect? There has been no education how to use them.

"This was only a matter of time."

Agreed with the passer by. At the same time though, people need to be assertive on what they want, not just sit around on their ass and wait for the city to feed them with information on a traffic circle they should know about.

[rrskylar]

Saw the story on the 6:00 news about the accident at the traffic circle in River Heights, what struck me was the size of the traffic circle in proportion to the intersection, the circle itself seemed minuscule and cars would barely have to veer to go around it. On the other hand the traffic circles on Roch in EK take up most of the intersection leaving little room to turn around them, are all of these so-called traffic calming devices the same size irregardless of the size of the intersection?

[drew]

I think that a lot of drivers in this city are retarded. Traffic circles, regardless of their physical size are FAR SUPERIOR to 4-way stops.

Maybe on the general lack of knowledge, and straight out stupidity of drivers here, the city should send around leaflets in the mail to explain to the people of River Heights (as if they were 5th graders) how to drive through these intersections.

Christ. In Australia, where traffic circles are the norm, intersections like this would have a small concrete bump in the middle of the intersection, and that's it.

[The Jabroni]

There's a live feed right now on the Free Press site of the intersection of Grosvenor and Waverley, and so far, I've seen quite a few cars "doing it wrong" in that intersection. Although that circle is a bit small, but the road is wide enough for buses to pass through.

What irritates me is that some of the cars cut to the "wrong side" of the traffic circle to turn left when the signs in front of them CLEARLY states they must yield to the right!!

[Only The Lonely..]

Dammit!

Fucking traffic engineers and their 'worldly' ideas!

Four way intersections have been a staple of Winnipeg transportation for over 100 years..

But Noooooo, them tony River Heights folks with their big metrosexual ideas of European living just had to have them.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

Dammit!

Fucking traffic engineers and their 'worldly' ideas!

Four way intersections have been a staple of Winnipeg transportation for over 100 years..

But Noooooo, them tony River Heights folks with their big metrosexual ideas of European living just had to have them.

LOL!

[Riverman]

Anyone know what the police dive team has been doing under the Redwood Bridge for the last 4 days?