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Old Posted Oct 8, 2010, 8:05 PM
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I think that with the 'new Saskatoon' that's been emerging the last few years that City Halls needs to completely revamp the city's website from top to bottom. The current site is ugly and confusing and gives off the wrong impression about our city. There have been so many times I've gone to the website to look something up and was unable to find what I was looking and in the end just became angry and frustrated like when my garbage is getting picked up or when the public swim times are. None of the PDFs for the Circle Drive South Project load for me, you think a 200 million dollar project would have a bit better presentation. The site is just a piece of garbage to be frank. The City of Regina's website is actually very nice and clean and so much easier to navigate. If I'm thinking of relocating to Saskatoon from The States or something and see this garbage on my screen, screw that I'm moving to Regina instead.

Just saying since there's not much else to talk about.

Speaking of the CDS Project I was driving around the city and have to say I was darn impressed with all the work they're doing. The amount of heavy machinery they have going is just incredible.
You would think if you were so offended by the website that you would mail them complaining about it, especially if it's something you regularly visit. Saskatoon is by far more exciting then Regina. The population is larger and the city does have that much more to do. Hopefully you make the more exciting decision!
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2010, 8:37 PM
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You would think if you were so offended by the website that you would mail them complaining about it, especially if it's something you regularly visit. Saskatoon is by far more exciting then Regina. The population is larger and the city does have that much more to do. Hopefully you make the more exciting decision!
Oh no you didn't! It's what you make of it. I've lived in both cities, and have been living in saskatoon for the last two years and I find them to be very similar, with maybe a few things on either end that outdo one another. But that's just my opinion!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2010, 3:36 AM
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I think that with the 'new Saskatoon' that's been emerging the last few years that City Halls needs to completely revamp the city's website from top to bottom. The current site is ugly and confusing and gives off the wrong impression about our city. There have been so many times I've gone to the website to look something up and was unable to find what I was looking and in the end just became angry and frustrated like when my garbage is getting picked up or when the public swim times are. None of the PDFs for the Circle Drive South Project load for me, you think a 200 million dollar project would have a bit better presentation. The site is just a piece of garbage to be frank. The City of Regina's website is actually very nice and clean and so much easier to navigate. If I'm thinking of relocating to Saskatoon from The States or something and see this garbage on my screen, screw that I'm moving to Regina instead.

Just saying since there's not much else to talk about.

Speaking of the CDS Project I was driving around the city and have to say I was darn impressed with all the work they're doing. The amount of heavy machinery they have going is just incredible.
I completely agree. The search function is absolutely useless

Do not quote me on this, but from what I understand they do not have the resources nor expertise (lack of fresh blood directing the IT department) to develop a more sophisticated user interface. It is simply a matter of priorities. The City is also reluctant to provide data online (traffic count data in particular) because of liability concerns...probably many more reasons why the web experience is so 2001. They should take a page from Vancouver or Calgary -- they are inviting their citizens to mine municipal data!

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Old Posted Oct 9, 2010, 4:28 PM
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You would think if you were so offended by the website that you would mail them complaining about it, especially if it's something you regularly visit. Saskatoon is by far more exciting then Regina. The population is larger and the city does have that much more to do. Hopefully you make the more exciting decision!

lol. I have lived in both cities too. They are no different.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2010, 12:09 AM
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I guess I just have a personal dislike for Regina's downtown. Sure there is some ok architecture but the overall experience is lack luster in my opinion. I'm saying this as MY opinion.
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2010, 12:53 AM
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Regina has a more business focused downtown while Saskatoon is a more "living" focused downtown. A few more condos and maybe a movie theatre in Regina and they really will have a great downtown.
     
     
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Regina has a more business focused downtown while Saskatoon is a more "living" focused downtown. A few more condos and maybe a movie theatre in Regina and they really will have a great downtown.
There used to be 2 theatres in downtown Regina. Both closed. The Globe Theatre (live theatre in the round) is downtown and is a great thing to have. It would be GREAT if another movie theatre opened up downtown though.

As for condos, Capital Pointe and the Gardens on Rose are two more condo towers going up soon which should bring more residents downtown.

The Downtown Plan is now in place which is turning downtown into a more pedestrian friendly and vibrant place. There are many new restaurants/lounges/coffee shops that have opened up downtown recently which is starting to revitalize the area once again. It's definitely heading the right direction and fairly quickly. Downtown Regina is undergoing some major changes right now, for the better.

As far as Saskatoon goes, it's definitely more bland visually, but at the street level, is decently alive and has been more pedestrian friendly in recent years for sure.
     
     
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Personally, I find Saskatoon to be a very natural visually pleasing city. The River Valley (albeit somewhat small) gives the city the edge in terms of natural asthetics, IMO.
     
     
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It's funny that CoS's top item that's front and center on the webpage is the list of traffic detours, HAAA! Perhaps it's simply in response to what pages used to get clicked most...

Hate the alphabetical thing - it'd be much better to have an effective internal search engine. Searching the website for "parks" brought up an empty page, for "detours" brought up 512 documents, the first one dated 2009, and "taxes" brought up the first result dated 2005. WTF?

Regina's appeared to have a more useful quickpick list - Saskatoon listed 10 where Regina's had 28.

Saskatoon's looks especially dated cause it's still sized for 800 pixels wide. (snicker) where Regina's and Vancouver's appeared to be 960 or so. Stoon's webpage was lacking in visual distinction among its elements - Regina's has those bright green headers on grey boxes for different features, where Stoon's just has bolded green text for headlines. Vancouver's was simplest: slideshow, 3 sections of popular links, and a search bar (that I hope worked effectively).

http://www.saskatoon.ca/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.regina.ca/site3.aspx
http://vancouver.ca/
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 10, 2010, 2:33 PM
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Speaking of lacking services, I was out at the dump yesterday and found out they only take cash or cheque for payment. What is this? 1980? Who takes cheques anymore? Anyway, my bill was $35 and I only had a $20 on me, so he put the balance "on my plates" and told me not to worry about it, just settle up next time I come (which could be a very long time). I wonder how much cash owing they have using this system. Why not just get a debit machine?
     
     
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On the topic of Regina and Saskatoon, I grew up in Regina (18 years) and only in September moved to Saskatoon for school. S'Toon really does have a wonderful downtown to walk through and I absolutely LOVE walking down the river and hitting up the art gallery.
     
     
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The density dilemma
Is it time to reign in urban sprawl?
By David Hutton, The Star Phoenix October 9, 2010 Comments (7)


Saskatoon is now among the most spread-out cities in Canada. Building a more compact city is the key to keeping taxes at bay, but a stronger political will is needed, experts say. Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix

This is the first story of Face the Future, a series that steps back to examine issues challenging Saskatoon in the decades to come. The multi-part series will run during the next two months.


*****

Joel Teal pulls his black SUV over to the side of the road to admire the view.

The sound of air-powered nail guns ring out. The clamour of construction crews, hard at work building a new road on this rain-soaked morning, is like a civic anthem here in Stonebridge, the fast-growing south-end Saskatoon neighbourhood.

“Without urban sprawl,” Teal said, smiling, “there wouldn’t be all these jobs.” We are justifying more urban sprawl because it provides short-term work? Yeah, because building communities any other way fails to provide our economy with meaningful employment These are our business leaders! Saskatoon has an opportunity to produce innovative urban development but our leaders are too damn conservative to step out of their comfort zone. Another failure to launch.

Teal is a self-described “hired gun” who has spent a long career devoted to suburban development in Western Canada and is now president of home-building juggernaut Dundee Developments.

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The key is building suburbs that are complete communities, not just endless streets filled with single-family homes, Teal says. Complete communities by Dundee Development? Yeah, and just last week I saw a unicorn playing poker with a dragon in Friendship Park.

The developer has watched decades of Saskatoon’s growth with a ground-floor view. He was behind the push to annex what is now present-day Stonebridge in the mid-1980s. He bought the land that forms the neighbourhood in the early 1990s when he was with a different company. Then, when that firm wanted out of Saskatoon when growth slumped, Teal bought it back with Dundee.

Areas such as Lakeridge, Briarwood, Erindale, Silverspring and Arbor Creek came on stream when housing prices in Saskatoon were still among the lowest among major cities in the country and more people could afford single-family homes on large lots.

Stonebridge, one of the denser new neighbourhoods developed in Saskatoon since the 1960s at six units per acre, has begun an evolution toward a more diverse neighbourhood, Teal says. Dundee has designed the area with multi-family units along the main arterials to create a transit corridor and built up density close to the commercial big-box sector. Instead of single-family homes being the dominant form, there are more townhouses, condominiums and seniors complexes, which make new neighbourhoods more diverse, he said. Yawnnnn. Very few developers ever take off their motorist hats and contemplate walking or cycling through their idyllic Tuscany's and Arborcreek's. Big box development with ample parking surrounded by 4 storey walk-ups does not make a complete community.

Evergreen, the northeast neighbourhood being brought on line by the city’s land branch, will continue the trend toward more complete suburban neighbourhoods with a projected 8.6 units per acre, the densest neighbourhood ever built in Saskatoon.

Creating more diverse neighbourhoods has a proven track record during the last century, Grauer says. Areas such as Nutana, City Park and Caswell Hill, which have some of the highest densities in the city, have a gravitational pull to them because a variety of housing forms are provided.

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Nobody should be holding up Saskatoon as an example of urban sprawl, Teal says.

“We’re not Mexico City,” he says. OH RLY? So what are building here? Teal could have been more clear on what he has in mind for Saskatoon -- another city defined by clusterfuck urban design.

Walker questions the view there is ample choice available for homebuyers. While developers portray new areas as vastly different from the last, they are only incrementally different, he said.

There has to be a strong effort to show people the benefits of a more urban lifestyle, Walker said.

“Time and again we’re rolling out the same thing,” he said. “I really don’t believe that people know what they could have.”

Building up rather than out will take leadership from municipal and provincial politicians, Walker said.

“The limitations are just the will to do it,” Walker said. “We have to have a government that’s pretty serious about it and wants to make it their project and energizes the administration and the development community." The biggest obstacle to overcome.

“We’re not bringing the inner cities to the suburbs here. We’re talking about adding two more units per acre.”

Early in the tour of Stonebridge, Teal pulls his vehicle over and points to a number of similar-styled stucco-walled houses with attached garages.

This, he says, is the definition of the ‘cookie-cutter’ homes those who preach the anti-suburban mantra love to hate.

“The people that loathe suburban development say these homes with ticky-tacky attached garages are the enemy,” Teal says.

“If this is so bad how come they sell like hot cakes?” Because in Saskatoon there is no alternative to car oriented neighborhood development.

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Dundee shows no concern -- no understanding -- for the negative implications their poorly designed tract housing developments will have on this city.

Ugghhh, and to top it off we have several councilors who share the same myopic vision for Saskatoon.
     
     
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It is always interesting reading articles by developers and contractors. In this article it names several new areas which of course are on the east end or north-east end of he city. These are the people who cause the west end of the city not to develope. It's not the so called bad west side people who have stopped the developement to the west. Sure there is an area near the central core that may not be as attractive as other areas to people who don't live there or are afraid to drive thru there. How does the city ever hope to change the "west side" image if they do nothing to encourage developement. Hampton Village is a great new area, certainly it has several cookie cutter homes, but so does Stonebridge and Willowgrove. Sad when there is only one area being developed and the new Kensington waiting to go when Hampton is finished. I think if more new developement were starting on the western edge of the city, more people would buy into those areas. As long as the city does nothing but listen to developers about the bad west side we will see an out of balance city. I invite you to drive around many areas near the western end of the city and see that they are the same as anywhere else in the city. Not all people who live west of the river are bad people. Until the City gets off it's butt, we will always have that "west side" mentality.
     
     
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Can we get some photos/updates please. Some of us come here for that, not the dribble. Please. No offense, but is anything actually being built right now?
     
     
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Not all people who live west of the river are bad people. Until the City gets off it's butt, we will always have that "west side" mentality.
That's not going to go anywhere until the *insert violent crime here* at the corner of Ave __ and 2__ st incidents slow down which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Can we get some photos/updates please. Some of us come here for that, not the dribble. Please. No offense, but is anything actually being built right now?
If this town had another Tim Hortons on the horizon you would hear about it There is room for discussion in this thread.
     
     
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That's not going to go anywhere until the *insert violent crime here* at the corner of Ave __ and 2__ st incidents slow down which isn't going to happen anytime soon.
It's unfortunate because in some people's minds, the west side goes from Ave A to 2nd Street in Biggar. There is an increase in violate crimes on the east side of the city as well, but that covers a large area so it doesn't seem as bad.
     
     
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If this town had another Tim Hortons on the horizon you would hear about it There is room for discussion in this thread.
Well some of us have moved on from the city and the province, I used to actually get some decent updates from this construction thread, but obviously nothing is under construction right now.
     
     
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Well some of us have moved on from the city and the province, I used to actually get some decent updates from this construction thread, but obviously nothing is under construction right now.
It's pretty exciting to watch the construction on the new bridge project. The web cam on the river is interesting, can't wait for the other cameras. This project is so massive in size, you don't realize what all is happening unless you drive around the whole project. On the east end you can see the dirt being moved along the freeway and it doesn't catch your attention. The west end of the project is entirely different.
The realignment of 11th street starting at the Viterra elevator.
The new road alignments on Circle south at 11th street.
The railway track crossings on Circle have been moved.
Pilings are being put into place for overpasses in front of the old Intercon.
Go a little farther south toward the landfill and you will be amazed had how deep they have gone for the sewer lines.
More pilings north of the landfill.
There is an old saying about as busy as an ant hill, well that is the western end of the project for sure.
     
     
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The focus has been on the south downtown so much, people have not noticed the many smaller projects. The area between 60 and 71st Streets along Miller Ave has seen over two dozen new commercial buildings in the last few months, all because of the needs to support business for the city and provincial economy. Stonebridge and Blairmore have new commercial buildings going up on a regular basis. WE sometimes look at the big towering projects and forget all the little ones that help make jobs in the city. Hope this helps a little Dalreg
     
     
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