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Old Posted Sep 7, 2010, 4:29 PM
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Heard some discouraging chatter this weekend about Lake Placid River Landing development. Apparently there are financing problems AGAIN!! A group of local investors supposedly have been having some discussions about how they can 'rescue' this project, but given the magnitude and scope of the deal, it seems this may be out of reach for just local money.

I hope this is all unfounded and that the discussion I heard was based on misinformation. It would be nice if we saw some construction action on the site to silence any questions about the project.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2010, 7:18 PM
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At this point, I would be very surprised if it doesn't fail. We've already had so many missed deadlines and false expectations (remember "one signature away"?), I lost faith in them a long time ago. I know people don't like to hear negative talk about this project, but I'm certain at some point the city will just have to cut its losses and move on.

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Heard some discouraging chatter this weekend about Lake Placid River Landing development. Apparently there are financing problems AGAIN!! A group of local investors supposedly have been having some discussions about how they can 'rescue' this project, but given the magnitude and scope of the deal, it seems this may be out of reach for just local money.

I hope this is all unfounded and that the discussion I heard was based on misinformation. It would be nice if we saw some construction action on the site to silence any questions about the project.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2010, 11:06 PM
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At this point, I would be very surprised if it doesn't fail. We've already had so many missed deadlines and false expectations (remember "one signature away"?), I lost faith in them a long time ago. I know people don't like to hear negative talk about this project, but I'm certain at some point the city will just have to cut its losses and move on.
I am getting so sick and tired of waiting. Someone should get Donald Trump to buy that piece of land and build. Anyone have his phone number?
     
     
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Well this fromer Saskatchewanian is currently down under in Perth, WA. The home of BHP. Kind of hope they do take over PCS as BHP is currently building a 245 metre skyscraper as the new flagship HQ in Perth. Love to see them build one even a third of that size in Saskatoon!
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2010, 9:10 PM
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Heh, looks like a screen door with no building behind it!
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2010, 10:55 PM
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What's the announcement for ???

Reported By Brendan Wagner - News Talk 650
Posted September 8, 2010 - 4:47pm
Prime Minister Stephen Harper will visit Saskatoon on Thursday to honour one of the legacies of John Diefenbaker.
Harper will be at the Diefenbaker Canada Centre at the University of Saskatchewan to celebrate the preview showing of the Canadian Bill of Rights exhibit.
Diefenbaker brought the Bill of Rights into existence as prime minister 50 years ago.
Premier Brad Wall will join Harper at the U of S in the afternoon for an announcement.


What will the announcement be ?

New funding for Victoria Bridge ??
Infrastructure extension to keep our city out of debt from all our delayed projects?
Both or something completely unrelated?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2010, 11:13 PM
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Looks much better in real life, I have seen this rise from ground level, to it's current height of roughly 2/3 total height. Saskatoon would kill for it, even at half it's full height.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2010, 11:32 PM
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What will the announcement be ?

New funding for Victoria Bridge ??
Infrastructure extension to keep our city out of debt from all our delayed projects?
Both or something completely unrelated?
A 30 story Government office building
     
     
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this is the render:

[ Image repeated too many times, already! ]

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Here is BHP Billiton's Tower project at SSC forum: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=502718

Great images from Perth, AU, outlining the project!
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 4:09 AM
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I am getting so sick and tired of waiting. Someone should get Donald Trump to buy that piece of land and build. Anyone have his phone number?
yeah exactly! ive had enough, whats going on? i dam well hope this thing gets off the ground, its an utter waste if it doesnt, then that piece of land will be yet worth more after. ugh!
     
     
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Here are the options laid out for dealing with the Victoria Bridge:

Report presents array of options for Saskatoon's ailing Traffic Bridge
Costs range from $4 to $60 million


Reported By Sheri Ebert
Posted September 9, 2010 - 6:40am

The City of Saskatoon now knows its options for the crumbling Traffic Bridge after the 103-year-old span was shut down following a failed structural inspection in August.

Now, the report from Stantec Consulting Ltd. has come back detailing the best options and how much they cost. And nothing's free even tearing the bridge down and leaving an empty space will cost a few million dollars.

The summarized options:

- A complete repair of the bridge for all types of traffic at a cost of $27 million dollars.

-Repair the bridge for cyclist and pedestrian use only at a cost of $23 million dollars.

-Repair the bridge and turn it into a "bridge park" for pedestrians and cyclists to enjoy at a cost of $31 million dollars.

- Replace the bridge with a standard concrete structure at a cost of $26 million dollars.

-Replace the bridge with steel bridge that looks somewhat like the original at a cost of $25 million dollars.

-Replace the bridge with an upscale, modern "signature bridge" with a cost of $60 million dollars.

-Replace the bridge with a conventionally designed, simple span for cyclists and pedestrians only at a cost of $17 million dollars.

-Replace the bridge with a slightly more fancy pedestrian and cyclist bridge at a cost of $22 million dollars.

-Replace the bridge with an upscale, modern "signature bridge" for pedestrians and cyclists only at a cost of $34 million dollars.

-Tear down the bridge and leave an empty space there at a cost of $4 million dollars.

The public can check out all the options and weigh in at an open house at Victoria School Wednesday, September 15 from 6-9 p.m. A final report, including the recommended option, will go to council in November

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My vote would be for replacing, either with the upscale modern "signature bridge" or a look-a-like steel bridge. Doing another patch job on it doesn't seem like a good idea after the last "it'll give it 20 more years of life!" debacle a few years back that has brought us to where we're at today.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 7:58 PM
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According to the Sept 13th council agenda, Meridian Development Corporation is applying for a zoning change to the former FNUC campus on 7th Ave in City Park.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 10:28 PM
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Do they own the property now? I wasn't aware that it had been sold.

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According to the Sept 13th council agenda, Meridian Development Corporation is applying for a zoning change to the former FNUC campus on 7th Ave in City Park.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 10:52 PM
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Bridge Options

Wyku,

I completely agree with you. Build a new replica bridge (maybe with a wider traffic area and a place for hanging pots ect.. to give the people who want the park something to be happy about).

Otherwise yes go all out a do a signature bridge and put us on the map as the City of bridges forever.

It would have been nice if Harper had some better news today like funding for a bridge. Hopefully Wall and Atch are bugging him a lot.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 9, 2010, 11:35 PM
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Extra! Extra! New projects ahead!

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According to the Sept 13th council agenda, Meridian Development Corporation is applying for a zoning change to the former FNUC campus on 7th Ave in City Park.
Go Meridian! They're going to do a fine job with this I'm sure. Good luck to them in their fight against the NIMBYs who will decry this increase in density.

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I dug something else up from the Sept. 13 Council agenda that appears to indicate a new project in the works for the southwest corner of 19th and 2nd (parking lot next to Clinskill Manor).

The matter in the agenda concerns an amendment to the Zoning Bylaw regarding Direct Control District 1 (River Landing) where Clause 13.1.3.3(b)(ii) stating that:

"all buildings must provide a five (5) metre minimum setback above 14 metres."

is repealed from the Zoning Bylaw and substituted with:

"All building elevations adjacent to a public street must provide a setback between the fourth and sixth storey which is appropriate to the scale of the building and the nature of the adjacent street and which provides appropriate sunlight penetration and wind effect protection."

This amendment is meant to address concerns regarding the "size, configuration, and edge conditions" that are inhibiting the development potential of the subject property (SW corner of 19th and 2nd), which Tonko Realty Advisors Ltd. "plans to develop".

(The report does make one reference to the southwest corner of 19th Street and 3rd Avenue, but that is most certainly a typo - that corner is Lake Placid's Parcel Y. The report later refers to "19th and 2nd" as the subject property which makes more sense - it's smaller, more constrained by its size, shape.)

Tonko Realty Advisors' website: http://www.tonko.com/index.html

So, what can we expect from Tonko for that property?

Of note:
- The properties in their portfolio on their website are mostly office type with some retail components.
- What should we make of them wanting to change the setback requirement from 14 metres to "between the fourth and sixth storey"?? The report states the 14 metre requirement is arbitrary and does not necessarily align with any particular storey of a building (makes sense). Considering the "size, configuration, and edge conditions" that are apparently constraining the property's development potential, Tonko must see the 14 metre setback requirement as awkward or inappropriate and sees the 4-6th floor setback requirement as more fitting to what they are planning. So, how high do they plan to go? What is the height max in the DCD1 anyway?
- Kindrachuk Agrey Architects is the applicant for this amendment on behalf of Tonko. Obviously they're the designing and/or project architect.

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^^^Interesting find.

As for Meridian owning FNUC, I did not think anything was ever released about that particular sale.

Maybe our local media can do some digging for us.
     
     
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Interesting find on the potential development of 19th and 3rd. I would hope that so many of the other 'proposed' projects for this city soon begin to take shape and that this is just not one more of those "on the books, but going no where" projects!

There was an article in todays Star Phoenix on the visioning process that Saskatoon is launching for the future of the city. Although I am not always a huge supporter of our current mayor, he was quoted as making some comments that I fully support. He cautioned about the risk of developing the city into a 'doughnut' where by the core is void of development and that we sprawl to the suburbs. He also made reference to the city planning for llight rail and rapid transit. Quite progressive thinking by him, now we just need him and other politicians to back this up with policies and plans that support it!

Here is link to article:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/City+launches+Saskatoon+Speaks/3504295/story.html
     
     
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So, how high do they plan to go? What is the height max in the DCD1 anyway?
DCD1 is here, and I believe the property in question has a 14 story limit.
     
     
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Interesting find on the potential development of 19th and 3rd. I would hope that so many of the other 'proposed' projects for this city soon begin to take shape and that this is just not one more of those "on the books, but going no where" projects!

There was an article in todays Star Phoenix on the visioning process that Saskatoon is launching for the future of the city. Although I am not always a huge supporter of our current mayor, he was quoted as making some comments that I fully support. He cautioned about the risk of developing the city into a 'doughnut' where by the core is void of development and that we sprawl to the suburbs. He also made reference to the city planning for llight rail and rapid transit. Quite progressive thinking by him, now we just need him and other politicians to back this up with policies and plans that support it!

Here is link to article:
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/todays-paper/City+launches+Saskatoon+Speaks/3504295/story.html
Some actual words of wisdom from the mayor. But are these just talking points, or something he truly believes in and is committed to? Council has done more for the downtown and city centre in general in the last 5 or so years than they have in a very long time. But at the same time, the suburbs keep marching onward. It's about striking balance. But as it stands, I think there is still a suburbs > city centre imbalance. Hopefully the results of Saskatoon Speaks will help aid in a fundamental shift in how our city functions and grows.

I'm very excited for the community engagement process and the kinds of ideas it's bound to bring forward. I have a feeling that the kinds of people this process will engage most will be the more progressive urban thinkers such as those on these boards. Even in the City's intro video on the Saskatoon Speaks website, the ideas it is pushing are infill and core revitalization, improved transit, etc.

I encourage everyone on this board to be a part of the Saskatoon Speaks process. This is a unique opportunity for us to have an influence, and there is an exciting line-up of discussion panels, workshops and summits.

www.saskatoonspeaks.com

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DCD1 is here, and I believe the property in question has a 14 story limit.
Thanks swilley, the 14 story limit is what I seemed to recall. Will they go that high even I wonder?
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A great viewpoint in yesterday's S-P from Dr. Bob Patrick from the U of S. Go Bob!

Building our way out of congestion impossible task


By Robert Patrick, The StarPhoenix September 9, 2010

Following is the viewpoint of Patrick, an assistant professor in the school of environment and sustainability at the University of Saskatchewan.

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Saskatoon's current roadway congestion has left many wondering when this all will end.

The recent, and indefinite, closure of the Traffic Bridge is the latest piece of bad news for area motorists. Gridlock on Broadway Avenue was something unimaginable to me as a new resident to Saskatoon just two years ago.

However, will wider roads, more connectors, and additional (modern) bridges be the cure for increasingly frustrated motorists in Saskatoon? The experience in other urban regions across North America and the world says "No."

What is well known is that the addition of road capacity with bridges, highways and the like has proven time and time again to increase our automobile dependency, a condition that leads to more road congestion, not less. So, like everywhere else, the traffic woes of Saskatoon will not go away by adding more roadways.

That said, there are many good reasons to build efficient road networks.

Emergency services need good roads, and so does public transit and taxi service. Moving hazardous goods and commercial transport, too, depend on efficient roadways. As well, the private motorists needs accommodation too, and let's not forget the increasing presence of cyclists, boarders, joggers, and pedestrians.

Accommodating these multiple road users is a huge challenge. However, the thought that more bridges and roads will decrease congestion is wholly misguided.

Cities with the greatest road infrastructure also have the highest per capita usage of cars, leading to, yes, more congestion. To make things worse, higher rates of private car usage equates to higher per capita carbon dioxide production, road accidents and fatalities and, generally, less livable cities.

Adding road capacity also encourages urban sprawl, a condition that requires more roads and encourages more car use, all counter to good urbanism principles.

In North America, Portland, Ore., long ago made the connection between road capacity, congestion and livable cities. By dismantling an inner-city highway in the 1960s and embarking on a highly efficient public transit system, it jumped to the forefront of good urbanism. San Francisco and Boston both took similar action in the 1980s. The trade off was not more traffic, but less, as alternative, and more sustainable forms of mobility took hold.

Cities such as Toronto and Sydney, Australia, today lament their construction of auto-era elevated freeways in the inner city, and are considering their demolition. Vancouver in the 1970s looked at extending a freeway into the downtown to its north shore, but cancelled those plans over public protest.

A 1990s survey of world cities by Australian transportation experts showed the direct relationship between road capacity, car usage and carbon dioxide production.

Adding road capacity may, for a short period of time, relieve road congestion. But along with that relief is enticement to get back into that single occupant vehicle. The vicious cycle resumes of congestion, followed by adding road capacity, followed by more congestion.

So what to do? First, we need to recognize these associations: Road capacity, congestion, livable cities, good urbanism. A good transportation system first moves people, not cars.

So, find ways to make public transit more viable through dedicated bus lanes, taxi lanes, and perhaps for Saskatoon, a back-to-the future downtown streetcar? Find ways to prioritize accessibility and not just provide the means for mobility.

Populate downtown areas where services already exist (the city has some good examples). Encourage alternative forms of mobility, better bike lanes and pedestrian routes. Good examples are now spreading across North America.

None of this is easy, but all of this is necessary. Attempting to build our way out of congestion will never work. It never has. The current situation in Saskatoon provides proof.

The traffic snarls in Saskatoon should motivate us all to demand a different future for this terrific city. Planning for people, not cars, is a good place to start.
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