YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[trofirhen]

The World Routes Forum starts very soon in Vancouver. Earlier in this thread are lists of unused routes (which presumably are available) and under-used routes.

I just hope we don't walk away empty-handed, or nearly-empty-handed.

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

The World Routes Forum starts very soon in Vancouver. Earlier in this thread are lists of unused routes (which presumably are available) and under-used routes.

I just hope we don't walk away empty-handed, or nearly-empty-handed.

Was YYZ invited to attend ?

[Vansterdam]

Originally Posted by awvan

Will YVR require a 3rd runway by the time the NE Terminal expansion comes around? Or the two they currently have plus the aircraft overpass over Grant McConachie Way? Anyone know?

YVR already has a 3rd Runway

[Overground]

^That would be runway 12/30


As for the above questions. If I remember from the Master Plan it says 2014 for the North-South Taxiway.

Let me take a look at it....Phase 1 for the proposed North East Terminal is 2015. Phase 2 is 2023. And medium-growth forecasts indicate a new runway by 2025.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

Was YYZ invited to attend ?

Yikes, I hope not! If it was, we WILL end up with nothing !!

[eduardo88]

Originally Posted by Vansterdam

YVR already has a 3rd Runway

Aren't there 4?

08L/26R - 3,029m
08R/26L - 3,505m
12/30 - 2,225m
26A - 1,066m...actually part of taxiway A, available for VMC day departures only, when runway 26L is active. Apparently, that means smaller aircraft are allowed to take off straight from the taxiway instead of waiting in line for the big runway.

[Gordon]

Runway 12/30 is the crosswind runway and is rarely used , comercially only 08L\26L & 08R\26R are the only ruways used

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Runway 12/30 is the crosswind runway and is rarely used , comercially only 08L\26L & 08R\26R are the only ruways used

Isn't 12/30 is used fairly frequently by props (Jazz, Pacific Coastal, Hawkair etc)?

[Yume-sama]

Are there any statistics on the current capacity of the two YVR runways? How many movements can they handle per year?

Is an additional runway an "urgent" need like it is in YYC?

An additional runway can provide a ton of new capacity. Look at Haneda, their new runway will take their capacity from 285,000 to 407,000.

[Overground]

In 2009 there was 238k runway movements at YVR. This is the lowest amount since before 1992. The South Runway is used more though as the North is primarily used for arrivals. They say with adding more departures on the North, YVR could increase capacity by 15%. Of course, building the North-South Taxiway would allow for better efficiency.

I have the info for each runway on a pdf somewhere I think....have to find it.

[Yume-sama]

278,000 would be quite remarkable, when you consider the population difference between Tokyo (285,000 movements for the population of Canada ) and Vancouver.

Though, I suppose almost all of those movements at HND are larger planes such as 777 or 747, even domestically.

[Van23H]

Air Canada announced direct flight to MEXICO CITY! They are probably just taking Mexicana's slot

[Yume-sama]

I think if they were smart they would conveniently allow the flight times to connect to Tokyo, as the JAL service from MEX - YVR - NRT is gone.

I'm sure they thought of that, especially with direct service to HND starting up~

Mexicans need to get to Japan, too

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

278,000 would be quite remarkable, when you consider the population difference between Tokyo (285,000 movements for the population of Canada ) and Vancouver.

Though, I suppose almost all of those movements at HND are larger planes such as 777 or 747, even domestically.

I'm gonna miss JAL's 747s... but alas, I digress.

If you include Narita, there's 550,000 combined. Add the fact that the Shinkansen Bullet Train takes away a considerable number of flights for domestic travel...

That being said, it is still a pretty good number for Vancouver. I suppose because of distances here, we have to fly a lot in Canada.

[Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I'm gonna miss JAL's 747s... but alas, I digress.

If you include Narita, there's 550,000 combined. Add the fact that the Shinkansen Bullet Train takes away a considerable number of flights for domestic travel...

That being said, it is still a pretty good number for Vancouver. I suppose because of distances here, we have to fly a lot in Canada.

is JAL pulling out of YVR?

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

is JAL pulling out of YVR?

No, but they're retiring all of their 747's, to be replaced by 777's and 787's.

They will be pulled out of service one by one starting in February

Even their cargo 747's are retiring, so 45 747's will be hitting the scrapyard soon.

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

No, but they're retiring all of their 747's, to be replaced by 777's and 787's.

They will be pulled out of service one by one starting in February

Even their cargo 747's are retiring, so 45 747's will be hitting the scrapyard soon.

For the Vancouver route, this will be the aforementioned change in aircraft for JAL.

Current Aircraft : Boeing 747-400
Substitute Aircraft : 777-200ER

Quite the changes coming for JAL, but other than the Vancouver aircraft change, most of it is off-topic for this discussion. More of the details can be seen here http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201004/001531.html

I will also be one that will miss the JAL Big bird. I am used to seeing this plane fly overhead everyday since I've been a child. However, from a travellers perspective, the 777 on JAL is newer and more comfortable.

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

For the Vancouver route, this will be the aforementioned change in aircraft for JAL.

Current Aircraft : Boeing 747-400
Substitute Aircraft : 777-200ER

Quite the changes coming for JAL, but other than the Vancouver aircraft change, most of it is off-topic for this discussion. More of the details can be seen here http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201004/001531.html

I will also be one that will miss the JAL Big bird. I am used to seeing this plane fly overhead everyday since I've been a child. However, from a travellers perspective, the 777 on JAL is newer and more comfortable.

It is a pretty big cut in service, I suppose. The route capacity will go from 447 seats (55 Executive (not first class) 392 economy) to 302 seats (63 executive (not first class) 239 economy). Though, I would venture to say it was never really actually full, especially after they stopped the MEX - YVR - NRT routing, and only went YVR - NRT. Still no first class seating for Canada, like their 777-300's that fly out of SFO and JFK with suites.

So be on the lookout, September 30th is our last JAL 747! I happen to be flying home from NRT that day on AC, so perhaps I'll catch a glimpse

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by teriyaki

I will also be one that will miss the JAL Big bird. I am used to seeing this plane fly overhead everyday since I've been a child. However, from a travellers perspective, the 777 on JAL is newer and more comfortable.

I liked that the upper deck (when I flew) was all economy... so it felt like a much smaller plane.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

It is a pretty big cut in service, I suppose. The route capacity will go from 447 seats (55 Executive (not first class) 392 economy) to 302 seats (63 executive (not first class) 239 economy). Though, I would venture to say it was never really actually full, especially after they stopped the MEX - YVR - NRT routing, and only went YVR - NRT. Still no first class seating for Canada, like their 777-300's that fly out of SFO and JFK with suites.

So be on the lookout, September 30th is our last JAL 747! I happen to be flying home from NRT that day on AC, so perhaps I'll catch a glimpse

Don't expect to see much First Class on a lot of routes anymore!

Funny that, I will also be flying in and out of YVR on 30 Sept. I may have a crack at seeing the last JAL 744 as well as I have a 3 hour layover.