YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[MalcolmTucker]

I remember last year Edmonton's transborder hadn't dropped very much, and Calgary's had fallen through the floor - if my memory is correct then Calgary's jump and Edmonton's fall this year is just the market returning to a common equilibrium.

Why shouldn't YVR have more service than YEG? YVR has twice the population to draw from in its immediate catchment. You think Edmonton feels hard done by by Calgary? think if an airport with USA cost structure was actively poaching just miles away. YVR has to compete with Seatac and whatever that even closer US airport is ... Bellingham? for those precious flights to MCO, LAS, LAX etc

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby

I remember last year Edmonton's transborder hadn't dropped very much, and Calgary's had fallen through the floor - if my memory correct is then Calgary's jump and Edmonton's fall this year is just the market returning to a common equilibrium.

Plus, why shouldn't YVR have more service than YEG? YVR has twice the population to draw from in its immediate catchment. Plus, they have to compete with Seatac and whatever that even closer US airport is ... Bellingham?

You think Edmonton feels hard done by by Calgary? think if an airport with USA cost structure was actively poaching just miles away.

And lots of people I worked with in Abbotsford and Chilliwack used Bellingham all the time to fly to points south especially Las Vegas versus flying out of Vancouver or Abbotsford.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby

I remember last year Edmonton's transborder hadn't dropped very much, and Calgary's had fallen through the floor - if my memory is correct then Calgary's jump and Edmonton's fall this year is just the market returning to a common equilibrium.

Why shouldn't YVR have more service than YEG? YVR has twice the population to draw from in its immediate catchment. You think Edmonton feels hard done by by Calgary? think if an airport with USA cost structure was actively poaching just miles away. YVR has to compete with Seatac and whatever that even closer US airport is ... Bellingham? for those precious flights to MCO, LAS, LAX etc

Again, facts vs opinions:

Calgary transborder last year fell 3.13% - if that is fallen through the floor then looks like YEG's July transborder's figures have fallen through the floor? However, 2010 YTD YYC transborder has more than recovered from 2009's losses and is now way ahead of 2008's YTD figures. Whereas YEG's summer transborder capacity has fallen , a trend moving into next winter scheds as well. And as mentioned before, the temporary expansion has more than enough capacity to handle any additional flights now, so not sure why there aren't any since that cannot be a reason for airlines reducing services.

Your comparison to YVR re: population is mainly moot. YEG and YYC are practically the same size. And YYC is about 1/2 of YVR's size, yet per capita YYC is miles ahead of YEG in all capacity fronts and is also ahead of YVR in some categories as well. So the population argument is part of the reason, but again, how do you explain the huge disparity between YYC and YEG.

And the arguments about YVR competing with SEA and BLI are valid. But how does that explain the YVR June increases of 6.9% for transborder (6% YTD increase), a 28% increase in Asia Pacific traffic (7.9% YTD), and a 64% increase in "Misc" international? I am sure there are a lot of people who would choose to drive to BLI or SEA as would people from YEG to YYC, however, the statistics do not paint the same picture as to what effect those passengers are having YEG vs YVR.

Perhaps the Stop the YYC Habit campaign should start picketing out front of YYC's doors and attempt to ambush the YEG passengers who have made the choice to drive south?

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

Anyone have some updated pictures of the airport construction?

[tuffyy]

Mexicana is now history...Sad indeed.

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

Mexicana is now history...Sad indeed.

It is sad and I am sure there is more than a few issues with the stranded passengers. It seems from how things are worded in the press releases and such that this could be somehow temporary and that they may get back up and running once some interim financing becomes available. Do you have any idea about this?

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

Mexicana is now history...Sad indeed.

They keep blabbing on various news reports that Mexicana will try to come back after a "time-out" period. Normally airlines don't come back from bankruptcy at all. I guess you'd have much more of an inside scoop tuffyy so from what you hear is Mexicana in fact done for good?

[tuffyy]

If and I mean if MX does comeback the airline will return on a much smaller scale as compared to what they were.Smaller route network etc etc...But it really looks highly unlikely as much of the fleet is currently in the process of being reposessed by lessors etc,unpaid fuel bills and airport fee's are also another problem.I expect we may see AM pickup some of the slack but how much of it remains to be seen...

[MrBigStuff]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

Mexicana is now history...Sad indeed.

Well - now it looks like a really looooooooong bus ride to Mexico!!!

[Airboy]

Went by the new Marriot Courtyard in west Ed tonight. That's maybe a better style for the airport. Still not the best but a hell of a lot better. I'll try for a photo this weekend.

[tuffyy]

Air Canada has now responded to the loss of MX by adding YUL and YVR to MEX service.All flights from YUL and YVR will use A319 aircraft.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2010/31/c6142.html

[Rocket252]

From Hicks

Lousy Greyhound strategy

By throwing a wrench in Leduc and Leduc County’s scheduled rush-hour bus service to the Century Park LRT station (with stops at the International Airport and Nisku), Greyhound is severely ticking off Edmonton’s travelling public.

Without telling anybody, Greyhound formally objected to the “operating permit” for the service given by the Alberta Motor Transport Board. Now the bus service cannot start until the board deals with Greyhound’s complaint, hopefully within a few weeks.

Greyhound’s claim that the service will impact its six stops a day in Leduc is utter nonsense.

Few, if any, daily commuters use Greyhound to get in and out of Edmonton from Leduc.

And if this were true, Greyhound would have objected to current scheduled bus service into the city from Fort Saskatchewan, Spruce Grove, Sherwood Park and St. Albert. It did not.

I think Greyhound is doing this to get even.

It’s mad at the Motor Transport Board for insisting, as a condition of its own operating permit, that Greyhound operate alleged money-losing services to smaller Alberta towns without provincial subsidy.

May the Motor Transport Board quickly toss out this self-serving political manoeuvre, so the transit bus service can begin and we can have $5 bus service from Century Park to the International Airport, at least during peak morning periods, and from the airport to Century Park during peak afternoon/evening hours.

[Rocket252]

Originally Posted by tuffyy

Air Canada has now responded to the loss of MX by adding YUL and YVR to MEX service.All flights from YUL and YVR will use A319 aircraft.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2010/31/c6142.html

Can Westjet Fly to Mexico City?

If so then that would be our only hope as AC will not go YEG-MEX

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by Rocket252

Can Westjet Fly to Mexico City?

If so then that would be our only hope as AC will not go YEG-MEX

Mexicana couldn't make a go of YEG-MEX so why would WestJet want to test the route? If they start a route up you know it will be YYC-MEX.

[Coldrsx]

Greyhound - what absolute BS

[tuffyy]

I dont think WS will enter the MEX market.But I would be willing to bet AC may well be all over it.They announced YUL and YVR to MEX.Theres a good possibilty that YYC-MEX could happen by AC aswell (just dont be surprised).

[hilman]

No one would be surprised to see AC provide YYC with this flight instead of YEG or even both for that matter.

[Johnny Aussie]

AC just added back the Monday flight for the winter scheds. So back to prior year capacity to LHR.

[hilman]

That's good to hear.

[Coldrsx]

great to hear

now how about franky al-friggen-ready