YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[MalcolmTucker]

^usually luggage doesn't even take up half of most holds, except on small regionals. On long hauls I have heard luggage can be as low as 1/3rd of the total cargo carried.

[dansk]

Flew in last night and you can see the tower prep going on inside and out. Decided we need at least one YYJ flight on AC. I really like their E90 flights, nice planes.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by dansk

Flew in last night and you can see the tower prep going on inside and out. Decided we need at least one YYJ flight on AC. I really like their E90 flights, nice planes.

I agree about the E90. Will take AC's E90 over WJ's 73G's any day.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by dansk

Flew in last night and you can see the tower prep going on inside and out. Decided we need at least one YYJ flight on AC. I really like their E90 flights, nice planes.

Originally Posted by LO 044

I agree about the E90. Will take AC's E90 over WJ's 73G's any day.

Couldn't agree more about the E90, the only downside is only one lavatory for economy. Can be a bit of a pain on longer flights like YYC-YOW.

[hilman]

I'll take Westjets nonstop destinations over AC's any day of the week, pretty bad our national airline has a pathetic 14-15 nonstop flights out of YEG and 11 of them are domestic.

[dansk]

You do what you want, but I prefer Air Canada's rewards program and aircraft. Lately their staff at YEG have been amazing as well. Main issue has been with AC Jazz employees.

Air Canada is our National Carrier but it isn't a government run national carrier. It is a business and their model is hub and spoke. While I fly them when I can, I never fly through yyc with them. YVR on occasion like this trip since it was last moment and Westjet's price was way to high. Supply and demand reign in the Airline Business. If Edmonton supplies the non-stop flights from YEG things will grow.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by hilman

I'll take Westjets nonstop destinations over AC's any day of the week, pretty bad our national airline has a pathetic 14-15 nonstop flights out of YEG and 11 of them are domestic.

What is more pathetic is that NONE are to the US. The Board of AC needs to be sacked!!

[hilman]

I agree, pathetic indeed, especially with the huge numbers of passengers to markets like New York, Orlando and overseas like Frankfurt or Hong Kong. A link posted on C2E showed these markets had unreal numbers and it is mind boggling why these routes are not served (http://www.therouteshop.com/edmonton-airport/). But I guess Calgary can support 2 daily flights to Frankfurt and we can't

Those routes/numbers are:

Florida – Orlando and Ft. Lauderdale

* 25% growth in the last 3 years – Total annual passengers 90,000+ (40,000+ to Orlando, 30,000+ to Miami/Ft. Lauderdale)

New York

* 18% growth in the last three years – 45,000+ annual passengers

Hawaii – Honolulu or Kahului

* 48% growth in the last three years – 86,000+ annual passengers

Asia – Hong Kong

* 37% growth in the last three years – 150,000+ annual passengers

Europe – Frankfurt and Amsterdam

* 10% growth in the last three years – 147,000+ annual passengers

Middle East

* 110% growth in the last three years – 35,000+ annual passengers

[Rocket252]

Originally Posted by hilman

I agree, pathetic indeed, especially with the huge numbers of passengers to markets like New York, Orlando and overseas like Frankfurt or Hong Kong. A link posted on C2E showed these markets had unreal numbers and it is mind boggling why these routes are not served (http://www.therouteshop.com/edmonton-airport/). But I guess Calgary can support 2 daily flights to Frankfurt and we can't

Those routes/numbers are:

Florida – Orlando and Ft. Lauderdale

* 25% growth in the last 3 years – Total annual passengers 90,000+ (40,000+ to Orlando, 30,000+ to Miami/Ft. Lauderdale)

New York

* 18% growth in the last three years – 45,000+ annual passengers

Hawaii – Honolulu or Kahului

* 48% growth in the last three years – 86,000+ annual passengers

Asia – Hong Kong

* 37% growth in the last three years – 150,000+ annual passengers

Europe – Frankfurt and Amsterdam

* 10% growth in the last three years – 147,000+ annual passengers

Middle East

* 110% growth in the last three years – 35,000+ annual passengers

With the hub and spoke model all these passengers are funnelled through
Calgary and Toronto.

[LO 044]

Boy do i get a kick out of all the WestJet lovers out there. Why doesn't WestJet buy or lease some 767's and fly to Europe if it's such a no brainer? I'm sure YEG would see the 1st WestJet European or Asian flight right? WestJet NEVER funnels people through YYC right? Everyone says it's not in their business model. Boy is that a load of bull. WJ has their business model and AC has their business model and it is what it is. Did anyone actually notice how many routes WestJet has opened up out of YYZ?

We will see that in the next couple of years, WestJet will
a) codeshare on Air France / KLM flights out of YYZ, YUL, YYC and YVR.
b) funnel YEG passengers through YYZ, YUL, YYC and YVR.
c) maybe and i say maybe buy / lease some long range aircraft and open up routes from YYC and YYZ.

And that's it. And as for the 2nd YYC-Frankfurt flight hilman, that's Lufthansa not Air Canada. If you are unhappy with AC not giving YEG a flight to Europe than you must also be boycotting KLM (Air France), British Airways and Lufthansa.

I will be the 1st guy on a WestJet flight if they start one to Europe from YEG but until then its comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, dansk myself and BigTime were comparing aircraft not airlines so don't get your hair in a knot hilman. I would fly WestJet's 73G's aircraft over Horizon's Q400 or any sardined Air Transat aircraft if that makes you feel better.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by LO 044

Boy do i get a kick out of all the WestJet lovers out there. Why doesn't WestJet buy or lease some 767's and fly to Europe if it's such a no brainer? I'm sure YEG would see the 1st WestJet European or Asian flight right? WestJet NEVER funnels people through YYC right? Everyone says it's not in their business model. Boy is that a load of bull. WJ has their business model and AC has their business model and it is what it is. Did anyone actually notice how many routes WestJet has opened up out of YYZ?

We will see that in the next couple of years, WestJet will
a) codeshare on Air France / KLM flights out of YYZ, YUL, YYC and YVR.
b) funnel YEG passengers through YYZ, YUL, YYC and YVR.
c) maybe and i say maybe buy / lease some long range aircraft and open up routes from YYC and YYZ.

And that's it. And as for the 2nd YYC-Frankfurt flight hilman, that's Lufthansa not Air Canada. If you are unhappy with AC not giving YEG a flight to Europe than you must also be boycotting KLM (Air France), British Airways and Lufthansa.

I will be the 1st guy on a WestJet flight if they start one to Europe from YEG but until then its comparing apples to oranges.

BTW, dansk myself and BigTime were comparing aircraft not airlines so don't get your hair in a knot hilman. I would fly WestJet's 73G's aircraft over Horizon's Q400 or any sardined Air Transat aircraft if that makes you feel better.

ditto...word for word

[hilman]

Well I am glad you like the E90 over the 737, I just wish their E90's et al flew somewhere. The only reason I dislike AC is due to their far from adequate service they provide Edmonton. I will support any airline that actually gives me the nonstop flights we deserve. Right now Westjet gives me a lot more flights and destinations so I support them. Do they funnel us via Calgary or Toronto, somewhat, but it is a lot less than AC. Do they have the metal to get me to Europe, no, that is where AC should step up and provide that service. There is a huge demand for London and Frankfurt flights yet they give us 3 London flights a week, wow, pardon me if I am not in awe. It is amazing that a city of one million can only support 3 whole flights to Europe per week.

On the domestic side, AC doesn't fly to the domestic cities we want either, ever travel to Kelowna, Victoria, Hamilton??? Nothing says awesome like flying past Kelowna, stopping in Vancouver, waiting for your flight and then flying the direction you just came from to get to your final destination.

Let's take a look shall we:

Non-Stop Flights in Canada
Vancouver, Calgary, Grande Prairie, Ft. McMurray, Yellowknife, Saskatoon, Regina, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal.

Westjet flies to all of those plus Comox, Abbotsford, Victoria, Kelowna, Hamilton and Halifax.

International flights
Air Canada flies to London, UK (3x weekly), Montego Bay (1x weekly) and Cancun (1x weekly).

Westjet serves Maui, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Cabo San Lucas, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan and Montego Bay.


Non-stop Flight Scoreboard
AC 14
Westjet 28


If and when AC supports our city, then I will gladly support them, until then, I will choose to use other airlines/routes even if they are more expensive.

[Coldrsx]

^concur in full.

[240glt]

I prefer Air Canada purely from a comfort and quality of service standpoint, whenever I've flown Westjet, I feel like it is the Walmart of airlines.

Having said that, it is infuriating that AC does not offer a nonstop flight to Kelowna.. I mean come on, I gotta connect to get to friggin' Kelowna ? That is bullshit.

As luck would have it was was booking a flight later this month so I can visit the folks in Vernon, so I wrote to AC...


Dear Air Canada,

Why are there no direct flights to Kelowna from Edmonton ? Why do you expect Edmonton travellers to fly to Calgary or Vancouver, turning a 50 minute flight into a 3 hour ordeal ? I will be travelling to Kelowna several times over the summer, and I refuse to be forced to connect at another airport for such a short and straightforward flight.

Westjet offers many direct flights to Kelowna from Edmonton. In fact Westjet offers many more direct flights to more places than Air Canada does. EIA processes in excess of 6 million passengers a year and is still growing. Why do you provide Edmontonians with inferior air service ?

Thank you,

Chris Wagner
Edmonton Alberta.

[Coldrsx]

"whenever I've flown Westjet, I feel like it is the Walmart of airlines."

not flown uncle sam for a while have you?

WJ is Emirates comparatively speaking

[240glt]

^ I flew on Northwestern a little while ago, I didn't notice anything overly bad (except the awful cattle flight between Minny & Milwaukee, but what do you expect from a commuter flight)

[Coldrsx]

NW is decent

but overall i find uncle samlines brutal in terms of service, seats, luggage fees, and on time dept.

not to mention most do not have seatbacks

[hilman]

Luggage fees

[Rogie]

Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for June 2010



Highlights

¨ Overall 499,658 passengers (3,010,899 Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 416,408 passengers (2,257,569 Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 66,648 passengers (533,721 Year to Date)

¨ International 16,602 passengers (219,609 Year to Date)

¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,092,396



Growth%

¨ Overall 3.8% (0.1% Year to Date)

¨ Domestic 3.3% (0.4% Year to Date)

¨ Transborder 5.3% (4.3% Year to Date)

¨ International 11.1% (-11.8% Year to Date)







June Notes



· Positive growth in all sectors

· Transborder load factor growth of over 8 percent

· Third month in 2010 with positive overall passenger growth

· The international sector experienced its second consecutive month of double digit growth

[Coldrsx]

trans and int are very impressive... keep rollin yeg