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Old Posted Jun 25, 2010, 10:43 PM
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Actually, thinking about it a little more, maybe it would be a better idea to have the regional transit (and future HSR) station over in rail town, where it could connect to the SE line and possibly a future tram. Finding a suitable regional train station somewhere along 9th avenue is a difficult task.
     
     
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Actually, thinking about it a little more, maybe it would be a better idea to have the regional transit (and future HSR) station over in rail town, where it could connect to the SE line and possibly a future tram. Finding a suitable regional train station somewhere along 9th avenue is a difficult task.
We could bury the Commuter Rail/HSR line under 9th Ave to really create a major hub under 2nd St. Eventual build out would entail an underground "Grand Central Station" and four tunnels: West-NE under 7th Ave, NW-South under 8th Ave, Commuter/High Speed Rail (from Airdrie and points North via Nose Creek, from Cochrane and points West via the CPR alignment, from High River, Okotoks, and points south, and maybe a SE commuter line as well) under 9th Ave, and SE-North under 2nd St. It might not make sense now but as a thirty year goal it has a lot going for it. It would essentially complete the downtown centric transit system, after that all expansion should be geared to crosstown lines, like a 16th Ave N line.
     
     
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Stampede Transit Service info has now been posted: http://www.calgarytransit.com/stampede/index.html

The only change is the West Express Route 303. Because of WLRT construction, this route now starts at Richmond Square (Richmond Rd @ 51st ST SW) and goes to MRU and then to Erlton.
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We could bury the Commuter Rail/HSR line under 9th Ave to really create a major hub under 2nd St. Eventual build out would entail an underground "Grand Central Station" and four tunnels: West-NE under 7th Ave, NW-South under 8th Ave, Commuter/High Speed Rail (from Airdrie and points North via Nose Creek, from Cochrane and points West via the CPR alignment, from High River, Okotoks, and points south, and maybe a SE commuter line as well) under 9th Ave, and SE-North under 2nd St. It might not make sense now but as a thirty year goal it has a lot going for it. It would essentially complete the downtown centric transit system, after that all expansion should be geared to crosstown lines, like a 16th Ave N line.
I kind of like this idea. It would be tricky to get the commuter/HSR lines under 9th, separate from the main tracks through downtown (and expensive) and don't they already own land for an HSR station somewhere near 4 st SE?
But having one central connection... or two, one where 201 202 and 203 meet at 2nd st, and one east near City Hall/Calgary Tower or Olympic way stations for regional (I'm guessing at the SELRT station names), would make for a very complete useful system in the end. A lot of this depends on the long-awaited results of the Subway study.

And crosstown routes could start by being served adequately with buses. The 430 needs to run all day and weekends, between Crowfoot, the Airport, and Saddleridge. The 72/73 need to be made a bit more efficient, maybe supplemented with a BRT, since they are the only real west and east crosstown routes. The 19 could use more frequent service too, it's actually pretty low, especially for a corridor that everyone here thinks deserves LRT. South crosstown routes would be the 72/73 between Chinook and South Hill (which I think would be a good spot for TOD), and maybe also south crosstowns between Anderson and Shepard, and between Somerset and Mckenzie Towne.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
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Funding Prompts Southeast LRT Talks

Salvation for Seton? The McKenzie Towne miracle?

How about a Deerfoot Trail with 80,000 fewer cars making the daily drive?

Now that would be divine: If there's ever been an answer to Calgary's commuting prayers, it's a Deerfoot with rush-hour traffic reduced by half.

And suddenly, it's more than just wishful thinking: With the announcement of $800 million in provincial funding for local transit, the once far-off vision of C-Train service to southeast Calgary is now an imminent reality.

Even as crews toil on an LRT line into west Calgary, the southeast line -- once assumed to be decades away from construction -- is being seriously discussed as a go.

Among the movers-and-shakers giving a tentative green light to the southeast LRT is Calgary's mayor, whose legacy is already rooted in roads and new trains.

Mayor Dave Bronconnier, now in his final six months at the helm, says he'll push the current council and the politicians who follow him to start construction on the southeast leg.

"It's $800 million for the region, and it'll be just over $1.1 billion in total spending, whereas the southeast LRT is expected to cost between $1.2 and $1.8 billion," said Bronconnier.

"Could this mean starting the Southeast LRT? Well, I sure hope so.

"My advice to this and the future city council is the southeast LRT makes a whole lot of sense."

It's especially logical when the money to build a big chunk of that train is suddenly available, through the province's $2-billion GreenTRIP fund.

That cash, which requires cities and towns to contribute a matching third, was first announced two years ago, but the handout was put on hold as the recession gripped Alberta.

On Tuesday, the lock was finally removed from the GreenTRIP coffer, and the long-promised money doled out: The share for Calgary and district is $800,000,000.

Questions about what projects the cash might be spent on were also cleared up -- Alberta Transportation spokeswoman Tammy Forbes says a C-Train extension definitely qualifies as an environmental improvement.

"LRT projects are certainly eligible," said Forbes.

GreenTRIP is part of the province's greenhouse gas strategy, aimed at reducing the number of commuter cars on Alberta's roads, via public transit.

Edmonton is also in line for $800 million in funding, while $400 million will be split between the province's remaining municipalities.

Calgary can certainly use the money. Despite a decade of spending on interchanges, LRT and the entirely new west leg of the C-Train, there's still a long list of projects awaiting funding.

While Bronconnier favours the southeast LRT, he says there are actually two C-Train projects vying for cash.

The other is the downtown core, which is slated for underground tracks, and stations stretching to Eau Claire.

Until downtown's train system is finished, a southeast LRT line would terminate at 10 Ave. and Olympic Way -- but Bronconnier said a short walk to the downtown train is a small price to pay.


"It would mean walking a couple of blocks to the downtown station, until we have more money," he said.

The southeast leg will ultimately stretch to communities like Seton and the new south hospital, along 15 km of track.

The train will pass through Quarry Park and Douglasdale on its way south, with major stations at Ramsay/Inglewood, Crossroads, Ogden, Douglasdale, McKenzie Towne, Auburn Bay, South Hospital and Seton.

If the current mayor believes it's now time for the southeast LRT, one alderman running to replace him has been trying to convince council to fund the leg for years.

Ald. Ric McIver said the province's $800 million will buy convenience and a less frustrating commute for one of Calgary's fastest growing quadrants.

"It's well established that the next major project is the southeast LRT -- this money is enough to at least build the first half of that leg," said McIver, an aldermen for the area.


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$800M pledged for local transit

The Calgary region is receiving more than its leaders expected from a long-promised provincial transit fund that will bring intercity bus service and bolster Calgary Transit.

It also brings closer the dream of regional rail and a southeast C-Train line, but the $800 million pledged Tuesday to the Calgary region isn't enough to guarantee that future.

"I can assure you that we will have more projects available for you than there is funding available, and I think that speaks definitely to the need," Mayor Dave Bronconnier said in Edmonton at Transportation Minister Luke Ouellette's funding announcement.

What came out Tuesday was the long-delayed details of a $2-billion funding pledge the Stelmach government made two years ago in rosier economic times.

Calgary-area politicians had been expecting only a third of that fund, with equal portions going to the capital region and the rest of Alberta.

Instead, Ouellette devoted 40 per cent each to the province's two major centres, and less for smaller communities.

"We think that's reasonable, and we're happy to see the dollars actually rolling out," said Cochrane Mayor Truper McBride, whose city wants to purchase double-deckers for service to Calgary by 2012.

He had been steadily deriding the provincial Tories during the long wait for program details, saying they lacked leadership and understanding of regional transit needs.

Airdrie, Cochrane, Calgary and others in the Calgary Regional Partnership submitted a $153-million, three-year proposal to the minister last month, before he began taking project applications.

It pitched commuter-bus routes to Cochrane, High River, Okotoks, Strathmore and Chestermere, in addition to bolstering the forthcoming Airdrie connector.

The preliminary proposal also includes 15 new light-rail vehicles and 100 extended buses for Calgary, to handle the city's growth and stream of out-of-town passengers.

McBride said that plan might be reworked before it's resubmitted to Ouellette this fall, as the region mulls how to spend extra money.

Cities also have to pay for one-third the cost of any new buses or stations -- more than they wanted to -- which may also prompt some reworking of the plan.

On the other hand, that means the province leverages its $800-million transit investment into $1.2 billion worth of transit expansions.

Work on Calgary's southeast LRT and commuter trains to bedroom communities is also part of the longer-term regional transit plan.

But a new line to South Calgary Hospital will cost at least $1.6 billion. Bronconnier said it's a possibility with the "Green Trip" funding, but it will also require heavy investment from other sources.

"Maybe there's a strategic opportunity for this council or certainly a future council to link dollars that are coming from the provincial government to dollars from the (city) tax side," he said in an interview.

He noted the West LRT construction crews will be free after 2012. But with Bronconnier leaving office this fall, such a decision would likely come from the next mayor and council.

Intercity buses, already common around Edmonton, will mark huge progress in the car-dominated Calgary area.

"What we're missing right now in the region is transit culture," McBride said.

If ridership grows steadily -- and the province offers more money -- shifting to a regional rail system could be a decade away, he said.

Although the deficit-mired government has budgeted for only a fraction of that transit money in its current three-year spending plan, Ouellette pledged the Conservative government would have the cash as transit systems need it.

"This is a pay-on-progress program," he told reporters in Edmonton.

"Most things that you do, bills won't be coming due until down the road a ways. And that's when we'll be paying the money out."
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 27, 2010, 1:51 AM
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I'd be quite happy to see a partial SELRT line, particularly if they do the ~2 years of planning the West LRT did in 2008-2010 starting now and start construction as soon as the WLRT finishes in 2012. It could be open 2015 at that rate, assuming it takes as long as WLRT to build, which without the tunnel section it should. They could even surprise me and get it done by 2014. I've been traveling to areas covered by the SELRT a lot lately and its hideously slow by bus.

It would pretty much have to go from Calgary Tower/Palliser station under 10th (as suggested by Mersar a few posts ago) to Mckenzie Towne to be useful though. By 2015, Mckenzie Towne will be the middle of a large area of development, and having it stop at the edge (i.e. Douglasdale as per some plans) and funneling all the feeder buses and park and ride travelers to the edge instead of the middle is wasteful. And there should be a lot of development at Seton by then.

I really do like the idea of a downtown subway, and capacity-wise we really need it; by the time we get 4-car trains, they'll be at capacity even with the extra space. But, if the SELRT is partly built, with the money we have, as opposed to subway money we seem to not have, it will encourage them even more to build the subways. If there was a connection through the Calgary Tower complex then its only a few blocks north to Centre St and the new City Hall stations.

And, we have more time to convince them to design Eau Claire station in a way that allows easy expansion to the north, under Centre St, which IMO is much, much better than what is essentially commuter rail for people in Harvest Hills area up the Nose creek valley (and there will already BE commuter rail up that valley, probably before the NLRT). I rode the Canada Line recently and technology aside, it runs under a major N-S street with varied development. Having a subway run along a central, grid street like that works pretty well (Toronto does that too).

I should also point out that interlining the NLRT and NELRT from Zoo west is a horrible idea, interlining really limits capacity and both those branches will be pretty busy in the future. And that an airport people mover from the NLRT to the 96th Ave commuter station to the terminal is a very good idea. This after taking Calgary Transit to YYC which takes forever on a road that won't exist next year, and then taking the Canada line at the other end.
I definately agree!! You essentially summed up the majority of the arguements I made towards a Centre Street configuration on the website I set up to advocate for a revised North Central LRT. Unfortunately the idea of an advocacy website has kind of stalled out as my computer skills are limited and I wasn't sure how to take it to the next level of public engagement. For those who are interested, you can take a look:

http://www.growsmart.ca

Somebody was asking about the alignment of the SE LRT as well.... the second page in from the website includes a google map depiction of the SE LRT alignment as well as the various proposals for the NC LRT.

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^ Perhaps starting a twitter and facebook page would be useful to the Centre Street NCLRT movement.
     
     
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They should build passing lanes at stations to accommodate express trains that head into the deeper south regions. This would be the best way to speed up commute times
     
     
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^ Perhaps starting a twitter and facebook page would be useful to the Centre Street NCLRT movement.
Good idea! Thanks!
     
     
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^ It's just a much easier way to spread messages. you could however, keep the webpage going to load content and images. But one of the tricks is that the name itself should tell you exactly what it is about.

For example:

Twitter: @CentreStLRTyyc

Facebook: Calgarians for LRT up Centre Street, not Nose Creek.
     
     
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btw, your front page of that website is a very effective demonstration of the absurdity of the nose creek route.

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I definately agree!! You essentially summed up the majority of the arguements I made towards a Centre Street configuration on the website I set up to advocate for a revised North Central LRT. Unfortunately the idea of an advocacy website has kind of stalled out as my computer skills are limited and I wasn't sure how to take it to the next level of public engagement. For those who are interested, you can take a look:

http://www.growsmart.ca

Somebody was asking about the alignment of the SE LRT as well.... the second page in from the website includes a google map depiction of the SE LRT alignment as well as the various proposals for the NC LRT.

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^ Perhaps starting a twitter and facebook page would be useful to the Centre Street NCLRT movement.
Ice, Facebook and Twitter definitely have their uses, but don't lean on them too heavily. Unless your name is Conan O'Brien, Facebook is not going to be much use as a campaign tool. Twitter is great for just-in-time journalism and posting abbreviated hyperlinks to content elsewhere, but only as a step towards generating the real-time conversations that will ultimately create the critical mass to support and implement the Centre Street Metro.

I can't give you a flashy web presence, but I can help you get it and keep it organised. Some of the younger, web-savvier types on the board would probably be happy to help you code this thing also *hint* *hint*.

Drop me a line. I'm not that hard to find.
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the word on the street is that these will be low floor type vehicles.
     
     
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I definately agree!! You essentially summed up the majority of the arguements I made towards a Centre Street configuration on the website I set up to advocate for a revised North Central LRT. Unfortunately the idea of an advocacy website has kind of stalled out as my computer skills are limited and I wasn't sure how to take it to the next level of public engagement. For those who are interested, you can take a look:

http://www.growsmart.ca

Somebody was asking about the alignment of the SE LRT as well.... the second page in from the website includes a google map depiction of the SE LRT alignment as well as the various proposals for the NC LRT.

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I have read most of your website. which is probably where I got some of those ideas. It's a good website, and the map showing the alignments is fun to look at and very descriptive of the difference between the two routes. I'm not too web-savvy, but I'd join a facebook group and follow on twitter, and if there is anything I can do I'd be willing to do it.

Low floor trains in a subway could be... interesting.
     
     
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They should build passing lanes at stations to accommodate express trains that head into the deeper south regions. This would be the best way to speed up commute times
This wouldn't work too well due to the right of ways being surrounded by stuff on both sides most of all 3 routes, like roads, buildings, and the rail line in the south. If it's the deep south, then that rail line will ultimately be commuter rail to Okotoks and beyond, most of the rail line is designed to run two parallel tracks, and there ought to be room at Chinook, Anderson, and either Somerset or the future Silverado station for commuter rail stations. (I've spent many trips staring out the window on the south line picturing where commuter rail would fit, I spend lots of train rides just looking at how everything's set up and where things could fit/be built)
Especially since the news is saying we could get rail commuter lines in the next few years if the buses work out.
     
     
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the word on the street is that these will be low floor type vehicles.
Which? The SE LRT is a pretty good guarantee to be low floor when it gets built but the rest of the system is completely incompatible with low floor.
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Memorial at 3rd Street West. From this afternoon:


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Not to be an asshole (OK, I don't really care either way) but this sort of littering is really getting out of hand. Seems like every street corner has a bunch of crap on it some days, and let's face it - every single LRT station has seen a fatality. Imagine if this memorial fad becomes permanent and regular. We'll have piles of dead flowers 4 feet deep everywhere.

Honestly, the City really needs a bylaw limiting this to (maybe) a week or two following an accident.
     
     
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There is a city policy on roadside memorials already, with a 12 month limit that came into effect March of 2009. See the council policy TP013 here
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I don't have a problem with an impromptu memorial like that. I would imagine that after a couple of weeks it'll be picked up and the toys donated. When/if things start to look unkempt, it is time to move on. I think that, because it was a kid, it struck a chord with citizens more than if it were an adult iPod wearer or platform drug deal gone wrong.
     
     
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