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Old Posted Jun 23, 2010, 2:44 PM
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For the record I'm definitely in favour of creating a more urban environment for a bunch of reasons which have already been mentioned. One thing I would say though, it that people do have choice. I don't think it's appropriate to talk about the city "FORCING" people to do anything, and I don't really think that's what kcg meant either; what we need is a political environment that "DOESN'T ENCOURAGE" suburbia. Instead of falling over ourselves to sprawl, why not focus that energy on re-development and infill... if people want to live in the burbs, go right ahead, lots are available but the city shouldn't go out of it's way to make those developments more attractive than in the core of the city (ie. cheaper, more convenient, access to parks/schools...). Having said that, as the city grows there will be the need for development at the periphery, it would just be nice if this wasn't the primary focus. Think of how much easier it would be to provide services to a city with more density? Transit, utilities, SNOW REMOVAL! It all comes down to more money in a smaller area.

On the transit/bike lanes note... I couldn't agree more! As you can tell from my avatar, I spent a few months in Amsterdam and am so envious of their infrastructure. Think of the cost savings of maintaining smaller roads, and the decreased health care expenses associated with obesity (I bet the average Saskatonian is 20-25% bigger than the average Amsterdammer - you'd better bet an active lifestyle plays a BIG role in that!)?
Thanks for rewording what I said! That is exactly what I meant, hence why I quoted it.
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For the record I'm definitely in favour of creating a more urban environment for a bunch of reasons which have already been mentioned. One thing I would say though, it that people do have choice. I don't think it's appropriate to talk about the city "FORCING" people to do anything, and I don't really think that's what kcg meant either; what we need is a political environment that "DOESN'T ENCOURAGE" suburbia. Instead of falling over ourselves to sprawl, why not focus that energy on re-development and infill... if people want to live in the burbs, go right ahead, lots are available but the city shouldn't go out of it's way to make those developments more attractive than in the core of the city (ie. cheaper, more convenient, access to parks/schools...).
Well put. Even here people are not really forced. You can live on the outskirts of the city and drive a car if you want but there are pros and cons and it is still easier to use public transit in certain circumstances. I'm well aware that Saskatoon is never going to be Amsterdam but I still think we should be more forward thinking in how we develop our city in the future. It's all about choices and 'developing' by adding more and more sprawling suburbia without thinking about the long term effects will lead to a pretty awful city. We should learn from the mistakes (and successes) of other bigger cities.
     
     
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The small sign on the door said it would be closed for the 21st and 22nd if i remember correctly...who knows!?

Sign on the Uptown Market.

We wish Rexy and his daughter Tabitha the best in their restructuring and look forward to them reopening soon as they are a much needed service downtown.

     
     
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(I bet the average Saskatonian is 20-25% bigger than the average Amsterdammer - you'd better bet an active lifestyle plays a BIG role in that!)?
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Even here people are not really forced. You can live on the outskirts of the city and drive a car if you want but there are pros and cons and it is still easier to use public transit in certain circumstances.
Any forward-thinking anti-car initiatives put forth by city council will be repulsive to most people, who will be of the opinion that the councilors are not representing their voice, and they'll get voted out. Saskatoon is part of North America, the origin of car culture. It takes soooo long to change society's core beliefs (like the right to a car, the right to cheap and plentiful parking downtown, the aversion to public transit, the poor understanding of urban living, etc etc). I think any action will need to be preceeded by a lot of discussion and education.

The reason people live in their cars is the same reason people eat shitty fast food - it's easy. Cars cost a lot: I'm dropping a meagre $240 a month to pay mine down, plus another $75 a month to insure it, plus gas and maintenance. This amounts to over $5000 a year, and I'm sure my numbers are nothing spectacular. The financial freedom alone that people could enjoy if they gave up on their cars (or their second cars) would be huge, but so many people just don't think that way...... there's a lot of re-educating needing to be done.
     
     
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Any forward-thinking anti-car initiatives put forth by city council will be repulsive to most people, who will be of the opinion that the councilors are not representing their voice, and they'll get voted out. Saskatoon is part of North America, the origin of car culture. It takes soooo long to change society's core beliefs (like the right to a car, the right to cheap and plentiful parking downtown, the aversion to public transit, the poor understanding of urban living, etc etc). I think any action will need to be preceeded by a lot of discussion and education.

The reason people live in their cars is the same reason people eat shitty fast food - it's easy. Cars cost a lot: I'm dropping a meagre $240 a month to pay mine down, plus another $75 a month to insure it, plus gas and maintenance. This amounts to over $5000 a year, and I'm sure my numbers are nothing spectacular. The financial freedom alone that people could enjoy if they gave up on their cars (or their second cars) would be huge, but so many people just don't think that way...... there's a lot of re-educating needing to be done.
If we start making those who choose suburbia pay for the true cost of their lifestyles it would go a long way to encouraging new habits.

Sure, the initial servicing of lots in Hampton Village, Willowgrove, Rosewood, Stonebridge are paid for in the house costs, but not the yearly operational upkeep or long-term capital requirements of continuing those services. This includes, roads, sewers, water, electrical, transit, police, fire, etc...

I believe some Canadian cities have or are looking at having tiered property taxes so those further away from the city centre pay a larger proportion of the overall taxes.

Of course, that's only one of many avenues open to Saskatoon to explore. We know we can't afford urban sprawl, its just a matter of convincing people that its the case....
     
     
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The King George has a new tenant, abbys. No sign out front yet.
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^ Uhh.. is that not the same store that is in Market Mall? It's basically a dollar store. Too bad nothing better was willing to move in.
     
     
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Wow....the uptown market did not last long. Everyone has talked for so long about the need to have a grocery/market downtown and then an entrepeneur takes the risk, and it appears did not receive enough support. I don't work or live dowtown, but did stop in a few times while shopping downtown. I truely hope that this market opens again soon, or it does not send a very good sign about the vibrancy of dowtown living.

fingers crossed.

BTW....I attended the Traffic Bridge open house last night and it was very well attended. From the 'posties' of comments on the boards made available for public input, it would appear the overall concensus is to retain the bridge and have it focus on pedestrian/bike use and perhaps public transit. Not a lot of support to maintain as a vehicle/car bridge. Was interesting.
     
     
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^ Uhh.. is that not the same store that is in Market Mall? It's basically a dollar store. Too bad nothing better was willing to move in.
Hey now, just think how convenient it will be for people hopping a bus at the downtown transit mall to quickly pop in and pick up some ribbon and bows... or fake flowers!

It is too bad though. That corner space would have made for a great coffee shop, or something along those lines.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2010, 10:00 PM
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Wow....the uptown market did not last long. Everyone has talked for so long about the need to have a grocery/market downtown and then an entrepeneur takes the risk, and it appears did not receive enough support. I don't work or live dowtown, but did stop in a few times while shopping downtown. I truely hope that this market opens again soon, or it does not send a very good sign about the vibrancy of dowtown living.

fingers crossed.

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We shopped there a fair amount and the number of people living downtown should be able to support it.
I'm starting to wonder if a lot people are not aware of it or they may still be driving to the malls.
Hope it works out for them.
     
     
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Hey now, just think how convenient it will be for people hopping a bus at the downtown transit mall to quickly pop in and pick up some ribbon and bows... or fake flowers!
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I was hoping for a Mac computer store, what was I thinking.
     
     
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Just incase anyone is interested the Royal Architectural Institure of Canada's Festival of Architecture starts tomorrow here in Saskatoon. Its at TCU Place. I believe there is a public gallery or something of sorts for free to the public . But i think if you want to pay for a session or two you might be able to to attend.

http://www.festival.raic.org/tourism_e.htm

Also there will be Archticture of Canada exhibit at the Mendel. not sure if thats free to the public either. i'll see if i can find out.
     
     
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I was hoping for a Mac computer store, what was I thinking.
I think we all were, hopefully they don't last too long and an upscale furniture or clothing store will get the space.
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well I have left my mark on that forum LOL! I hope you all do as well! My overall message was to remove auto use from it. Put in street cars running from Broadway to Riverlanding then to Riversdale. This would be a good way to encourage a larger form of transit for an increasing population, so when we need to implement a real LRT the public will already be accustomed to it. As well to make it more pedestrian and cyclist friendly. I encouraged trying to maintain the current structure but if it cannot be salvaged a new, outstanding bridge with international design excellence should be constructed which caters to transit, pedestrians and cyclists. To remember the initial bridge a portion of the river bank should be dedicated to it, such as having one whole truss section on the riverbank.
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KPMB, Smith Carter named AGS architects


By David Hutton Thu, Jun 24 2010 CITY HALL NOTEBOOK

Toronto-based Kuwabara Payne McKenna Blumberg Architects (KPMB) alongside Winnipeg-based Smith-Carter Architects have been named the design team for the $58-million Art Gallery of Saskatchewan.

KPMB's Bruce Kuwabara, one of the lead designers, is perhaps best-known for its work on the restoration of the Canadian Museum of Nature. Smith Carter, led by Grant Van Iderstine, has designed a number of government projects, including the underway Manitoba Hydro headquarters.

They were a unanimous selection of the AGS selection committee, which had to choose between four short-listed firms: Calgary-based Gibbs Gage Architects with Los Angeles-based Frederick Fisher Architects; Toronto-based KPMB with Winnipeg-based Smith Carter; Winnipeg’s Number Ten Architectural Group with Saskatoon’s Klypac Rusick and Toronto-based Diamond and Schmitt; Toronto-based Teeple Architects with Saskatoon-based P3 Architecture.

A media conference, introducing the architects, will be held Monday.

It should help discussion and ideas with the national conference held by the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada,Sounds Like Architecture!, is in town this week.

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^ Good news, I was hoping for KPMB.

More on the architecture front, Raymond Moriyama is in town for the RAIC conference. And he's not real impressed by the Lake Placid project - but seems to approve of River Landing overall.

Meewasin is architect's 'cathedral'
Spirit of riverbank plan still alive, Moriyama says

By David Hutton, The StarPhoenix June 24, 2010

As an architecture student in Toronto in the 1950s, Raymond Moriyama set out three dreams for his career.

The first was to design a city hall, a structure that would be based on the equality, justice and inclusion he was denied while incarcerated as a child in an internment camp for Japanese-Canadians in the B.C. interior. He built the Scarborough Civic Centre in 1973.

The second was to design a museum, which he viewed as essential to education. He built the Bata Shoe Museum in Toronto, the National Museum in Saudi Arabia and, most recently, the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa, a building that was guided by his memories of sound and poetry from the tree house sanctuary he built as a 12-year-old living with his mother in the B.C. camp.

The third -- to design a cathedral -- was more difficult.

Cathedrals were very rarely constructed in the 1960s and 1970s so, in their place, Moriyama says, he began to focus on the natural environment.

"My cathedral was to pursue truth and that was the Meewasin," the soft-spoken Moriyama, regarded as one of Canada's greatest architects, explained Wednesday as he strolled slowly along the pavilion at River Landing.

"This is closer to a cathedral than a cathedral itself."

It was 32 years ago that Moriyama, now 80, laid out his vision for the river valley, writing the principles that led to the creation of the Meewasin Valley Authority, which he named, and the development of the south downtown. His name is referenced weekly in debates about the development of the river valley.

"Everything we have here is Moriyama," explained Susan Lamb, Meewasin Valley Authority director. "His thinking, which was 25 years ahead of its time, will affect what we do here forever. It is seminal."

Moriyama, who has visited Saskatoon occasionally since 1978, is in town to speak this morning alongside Lamb at the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada national conference before giving delegates a boat tour of River Landing during the weekend.

His message to young architects and planners, he says, is to focus on the wider picture. He recalled one of the first meetings laying out the framework for his five-month investigation, led by then-MLA Roy Romanow, where he was first told to envision the river valley around Saskatoon 100 years in the future.

"I said quietly, 'God doesn't think 100 years ahead,' " Moriyama said, laughing.

On Wednesday, Moriyama seemed reasonably impressed with present-day River Landing, the massive riverbank reclamation project that has been 30 years in the making.

The development is larger than he conceived, but maintains the principles he set out for the south downtown, a place for people to experience the river and a link between the city and nature, he said.

Looking up at the sign showing the concept drawing for Lake Placid's River Landing Village, Moriyama's first look at the landmark development that has spurred wide public debate, he seemed indifferent to the megaproject. Such large developments need to be sustainable, he said, and not dwarf their surroundings.

In the original sketch of the development, Moriyama envisioned the atmosphere of south downtown to be an area similar to the Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco or Tivoli Gardens in Copenhagen where a riverside promenade would be filled with small shops, restaurants and boutiques. He also envisioned a redeveloped City Hall, a wharf, an enclosed glass walkway and a winter garden on the A.L. Cole site.

"It needs to be about sustainability," he said of River Landing. "It has to be considerate of its context."

Some concepts developed in 1978 were "wild ideas" designed to get people thinking big, he said. One of the ideas was for the Meewasin Valley interpretive centre to be slung underneath the north bridge along with a pedestrian walkway to give visitors vistas of the river as they learn about its history.

Such details, he said, were bound to be changed by new realities and modern perspectives.

"We do the sketches so it gives someone an idea. Now, 32 years later and it's taking shape, and in reality it was never expected to be exactly the same. The broad principles -- health, balance, links and nodes -- are the important part and they're here."

The lessons learned on the Meewasin have been applied elsewhere. Moriyama presided over the 100-year vision for Niagara Falls, a 26-kilometre plan in a much more populated area and, most recently, the decade-long revitalization of a 120-km stretch of the nearly dead Wadi Hanifah River in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which is drawing international acclaim.

"Everything good takes time," Moriyama said. "More people need to think about long-term vision and not ego and greed. You have to ask, 'what would nature do,' not technology. You have to ask yourself about legacy and what you leave behind."

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Hey, first time poster here, loooong time lurker lol. I can't remember hearing anything about this, but, what ever happened to Tower 21??? I believe there is still a sign up next to Tusq?
     
     
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By David Hutton Thu, Jun 24 2010 CITY HALL NOTEBOOK

Toronto-based Kuwabara Payne McKenna Blumberg Architects (KPMB) alongside Winnipeg-based Smith-Carter Architects have been named the design team for the $58-million Art Gallery of Saskatchewan.
After looking through their portfolio, I am glad KPMB was chosen. I'm confidant that they'll design a beautiful AGS!

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Hey, first time poster here, loooong time lurker lol. I can't remember hearing anything about this, but, what ever happened to Tower 21??? I believe there is still a sign up next to Tusq?
Welcome!

As far as I know, that project is pretty dead in the water. But I could be wrong.
     
     
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