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Old Posted Jun 7, 2010, 11:52 PM
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I I wonder if the city requires they pay the lost revenue from parking in norder to do this? I think it's a great idea and would be an amazing addition to Saskatoon. Lastly it's the Copper Kettle
yes. the owner has to pay out a pretty penny in order to do this. but as you can see, allowing them to expand their patios it is a for sure money maker...
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 2:22 AM
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Upcoming open house for Kensington Neighbourhood Concept Plan:
http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm.../Documents/Kensington%20Open%20House.pdf
...hmmm, they've plotted Kensington's boundary just enough to the east to include the Yarrow Youth Farm. A win for neighboring property owners, I guess.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 11:43 AM
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I was in Halifax on the weekend and an entire block had this done to it, and then many places throughout downtown did this. I wonder if the city requires they pay the lost revenue from parking in norder to do this? I think it's a great idea and would be an amazing addition to Saskatoon. Lastly it's the Copper Kettle
I was going to mention that Halifax really embraces this idea as well. Whether on the waterfront or downtown the outdoor patios are always full. If something like this works well in Halifax, a city that rarely sees the sun this time of year, I imagine it would be an overwhelming success in Saskatoon where the weather is much nicer.

Also the Irish pub next to the Copper Kettle in Regina is O'Hanlon's
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 1:55 PM
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Wow. A small developement in Saskatoon's west. Compared to the east and north east it amounts to nothing. However it is finally starting to happen, even though it goes with Yarrow. The city does not encourage anything to happen on the west end. Thanks to real estate and developers, the thought set is the evil west end and don't go that way. Look at the east side developements, sound walls, proposed interchanges. We hear about all the new commercial developements in Stonebridge, Willowgrove and Preston Crossing, but what about Blairmore. People have to wake up or this city will be so one sided it with destroy the downtown. Sure there may be inter-structure problems related to the west end, but they had the same problems on the east side years ago. I'll bet half of city council have not seen the west end of 22nd street or any of it west of Idywyld. As summer goes on we will see how the city neglects the west end as far as maintainance goes. I hear people from certain areas of the city talking that they may get stabbed if they go in a store on the west side, or they have to many of "those" people in them. The city and people need to wake up and realize what they are missing by not knowing what's on the "evil" west side.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 4:19 PM
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I'm not sure if this was posted but here is SREDA's 2009 report

http://sreda.com/publications/Reports%20on%20the%20Economy/Annual/SREDA_2009_Annual_Report.pdf

Saskatoon looks pretty good amongst all the world economic turmoil. I'd say the big investment this year was the metallurgy plant which will be a very strong addition to the economy.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 4:40 PM
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West end development

http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...Maps/Pages/ProjectGrowthConceptPlan.aspx

This map shows the extent of planned growth on the west end, looks pretty substantial to me.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 5:35 PM
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http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...Maps/Pages/ProjectGrowthConceptPlan.aspx

This map shows the extent of planned growth on the west end, looks pretty substantial to me.
It's pretty amazing to see how much land the UofS has, or is tied to Agriculture, or is just unused, on the North East side of the river. Quite a few neighbourhoods could hypothetically be put in those areas to bring them closer to the downtown core, or at least slow the urban sprawl a bit.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 6:34 PM
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http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...Maps/Pages/ProjectGrowthConceptPlan.aspx

This map shows the extent of planned growth on the west end, looks pretty substantial to me.
The plans show great developement ideas, but they are not on the horizon for years to come.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 7:07 PM
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The plans show great developement ideas, but they are not on the horizon for years to come.
If you want to encourage west development buy a lot in Hampton Village. The City will not start new neighbourhoods on the Westside until Hampton is 75% built-up. This same rule applies to east side developments that the City has. So I don't see how the City has done anything but encourage west side development, at least in the most recent past.

As for other land developers...you may have a case here. But none the less the City has provided a new residential neighbourhood and new commercial development, which should provide a foundation for change in thinking. Rome wasn't built-in a day.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 7:30 PM
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^ gowest, that's true, Blairmore will take decades to build out. The City has identified 3 Future Growth sectors to accommodate residential expansion at the periphery. They are: West Sector (Blairmore), North-East Sector (University Heights and beyond to the proposed perimeter highway), and East Sector. Each sector will potentially support up to 50,000 residents.

Currently, the land identified for East Sector lies outside city limits (east down 8th Street, past Briarwood, and over the CP tracks). It is my understanding that the City will be annexing this land from Corman Park into corporate limits sometime this year. Of course, actual growth in this sector will not occur for some time to come. Blairmore will be well underway by then.

As envisioned by the City, these 3 Future Growth sectors will bring Saskatoon to a population of about 400,000. That's with 50,000 added to the west side, and 100,000 added to the east/north-east (+ current construction and future infill). So there's definitely an east-west imbalance with regard to current and future residential expansion.

But there are identified constraints to significant residential development on the west side. As well, the west side of the river is pretty much accommodating all current and future industrial expansion. According to the City's Future Growth Study that established these 3 Future Growth sectors, even West Sector (Blairmore), though recommended in the report for future residential development, is admitted to be a costly area to service. But the recommendation was ultimately made for residential development to occur there to (attempt to) maintain concentric/balanced growth around the city's core.

The City's Future Growth Study (2000) can be found here.

I certainly hope we'll see more aggressive infill/densification targets put in place and enforced by the City before we even begin to fill up these 3 growth sectors. I'm talking City Yards/Warehouse, South Caswell, CBD, vacant lots and U of S lands... STAT.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2010, 8:36 PM
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^^ Trees for Phase 1 of 3rd Ave. started arriving today.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 3:49 AM
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^^ Pillar Development Corporation building site at 141 Pacific Ave.
Another banal Pillar Development. Could they get any more cookie-cutter and bland. I think they reuse the same design over and over again. And it is not even a good one.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 6:02 AM
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^ Ya. It's a piece of garbage.

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That's it. Who the eff do I write to, to complain about a traffic light?

The light on the Clarence overpass to head North (or West, I suppose), is absolutely without question the longest light on the PLANET! It drives me NUTS! It is literally faster to exit, turn onto Brand Road, pull a U-turn and then head North over the overpass through the same intersection, where the light will still be green (with the walk light STILL ON)!!!

/rant. Bad night. That light was the straw that broke the camels back. haha.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 6:22 AM
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Sounds like they are FINALLY going to decide where to build this.

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20100608/35102
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 2:33 PM
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That's it. Who the eff do I write to, to complain about a traffic light?
I'm not exactly sure who to contact, but it would likely be someone in the Infrastructure Services department, Transportation branch...
http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Infrastructure%20Services/Pages/default.aspx
Looks like you might have to do some digging for a phone number.

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Sounds like they are FINALLY going to decide where to build this.

http://www.newstalk980.com/story/20100608/35102
Good news. I was hoping it would be at RUH... more visible, accessible location. Would love to see it have a riverbank perch (aka - above the parkade).
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 5:09 PM
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The street trees have now been planted up and down most of the 21st-22nd block of 3rd Ave. It's great to see trees on that block for the first time since.... Ever?!

Can't wait for the heritage lighting and street furniture to be installed and the median planted. It's gonna look sharp!
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 5:33 PM
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Children's hospital site

I suppose we have to 'trust' in the process, but it boggles my mind that City Hospital did not come out on top as part of the review process. There is a part of me that believes RUH has been selected to try and encorporate some of the outstanding issues that exist there already in terms of not being up to standard. How else can you justify building on to a hospital that has most recently been deemed 'obsolete' by a consultants report.

However, now that it appears a decision has been made I can only hope that it is designed in such a way to place the patient, in this case children, first! It should show some creativity and 'play' in its design and not be institutional. I also hope issues such as access and parking are considered.

It's just too bad that City Hospital did not work, as it has direct access to a wonderful green space and childrens play park. Seems to me that would benefit those needing the facility in terms of rehab and recovery process.

Anyway....fingers crossed for a great Children's Hospital.
     
     
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I suppose we have to 'trust' in the process, but it boggles my mind that City Hospital did not come out on top as part of the review process. There is a part of me that believes RUH has been selected to try and encorporate some of the outstanding issues that exist there already in terms of not being up to standard. How else can you justify building on to a hospital that has most recently been deemed 'obsolete' by a consultants report.

It wouldn't boggle your mind if you knew all the reasoning for selecting RUH.
RUH is getting extensive upgrades (new emerg, most importantly) regardless of the Children's Hospital. It's been in the works for several years.
And if there were some sort of ulterior motives for trying to upgrade outdated facilities, City would be just as good a candidate.

This video talks a bit about the decision.

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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 8:26 PM
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Traffic Bridge Needs Assessment

From City of Saskatoon Website. Great "Questions and Answers" section -

Traffic Bridge Needs Assessment

The Traffic Bridge connecting the Nutana neighbourhood to Saskatoon’s downtown is over 100 years old. It currently serves a minor traffic role on a daily basis, however acts as a vital bypass route when other bridges are closed. It is also a well-used pedestrian and cyclist crossing of the South Saskatchewan River.

Regular inspections have determined that the superstructure (steel componenets and deck) of the Traffic Bridge is reaching the end of its natural life. With this aging Bridge, decisions need to be made about its future.

The public is invited to a come-and-go Open House on Tuesday, June 22 at Nutana Collegiate, to duscuss what is important to residents, what you value and what your priorities are for the future of the Traffic Bridge.

Traffic Bridge Open House
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
6:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. (come-and-go)
Nutana Collegiate - auditorium
411 - 11th Street East


Civic staff and the Consultant will be present to provide information, answer questions and gather public input.

Public opinion will also be gathered on an on-line Traffic Bridge Forum starting on June 23 and continuing until mid-July, 2010. Check back here for information.

Additional open houses will be held in September and October to present alternate concepts and the recommended option(s), and to getehr final public feedback to be incorporated into any future design.

In May 2010, the City hired a Contractor to conduct a transportation needs assessment for the Bridge. The project will be completed in teh late fall and includes:
• public consultation (three open houses and an on-line forum);
• the assessment of current traffic, pedestrian and cycling usage;
• recommendations for the number of lanes required if it is to remain a traffic bridge;
• what changes would be necessary to increase its utility as a traffic bridge;
• an evaluation of structural requirements to retain the existing bridge; and,
• how the bridge might be configured as a transit-only or pedestrian/cyclist-only facility.

Background

The Traffic Bridge officially opened on October 10, 1907. As Saskatoon’s first bridge specifically designed for foot and vehicle traffic, it was built to provide a safe and reliable way for vehicles, pedestrians and freight to cross the river. Although it has been known by several names over its long history, it is most correctly called by its original name: the “Traffic Bridge”.

Questions and Answers

Is the Traffic Bridge safe?
Yes. The most recent inspection (fall of 2009) determined that only minor repairs are required at this time and that there is no immediate concern with the capacity of the bridge to handle the current five tonne load limit. The inspection also noted that corrosion is continuing to advance. The Bridge is inspected annually to ensure public safety due to uncertainties in the rate of deterioration.

The repair in 2006 was expected to extend the life of the Bridge. What happened?
The interim repair allowed the aging bridge to re-open to traffic and to be serviceable for up to 20 years, however there is the possibility that a future annual inspection may reveal a deficiency which would require immediate closure of the Bridge.

Would keeping motor vehicles off of the Bridge and allowing only pedestrians and cyclists extend its life?
Decreasing the load limit will not extend the life of the Traffic Bridge as almost 75% of the total load on the bridge is its own weight. As the bridge continues to deteriorate, more of its remaining capacity will be required to support its own weight.

Can the Bridge be saved?
The concrete river piers are adequate for the current five tonne load limit for approximately 20 years, however it’s too soon to be sure about the superstructure. We’ll know more after we study the contractor’s report detailing the feasibility of completely rehabilitating the existing Traffic Bridge.

What is the environmental impact of completely rehabilitating or removing the superstructure?
The original protective coating on the Bridge’s steel superstructure was lead-based paint. While much of the coating has long been oxidized (i.e. turned to rust), complete rehabilitation or replacement would require a containment system to properly collect and dispose of the paint and rust flakes.

The Traffic Bridge has historical significance as our city’s first bridge for use by pedestrians and vehicles, and it is also the site of the province’s only maritime disaster. Will that be recognized?
The City is reviewing the process for having a City-owned property declared a Municipal, Provincial and/or Federal Heritage Site. Also, the consultation process will help us understand community attitudes, values, and the needs to be addressed when potential options for the Traffic Bridge are considered.

What are some options for the Traffic Bridge?
Options for the Bridge will be determined based on public input, traffic analysis and a structural assessment, and could include complete rehabilitation, construction of a new superstructure on the existing concrete piers or construction of a completely new bridge. Options may include:

· Re-use the existing bridge or components of the existing bridge

· Two-lane or four-lane bridge with wide pedestrian/cyclist paths

· Transit-only bridge with wide pedestrian/cyclist paths

· No replacement (i.e. demolition)

· Pedestrian/cyclist only structure

· Two-lane bridge with capacity for streetcars, with wide pedestrian/cyclist paths

What about the lights on the Traffic Bridge?
The lights could be removed and reused.

How many pedestrians use the Traffic Bridge?
On a typical weekday (in March 2010), we counted:

151 pedestrians, cyclists and skateboarders between 7am and 9am
107 pedestrians and cyclists between 11:30am and 13:30pm
184 pedestrians and cyclists between 4 pm and 6 pm
Has the volume of traffic using the bridge changed?
Yes, for instance, the opening of the Senator Sid Buckwold Bridge in 1966 removed almost 7,000 vehicles a day from the Traffic Bridge.

Why start this study now?
The limited service life of the Traffic Bridge means that decisions will need to be made about its future. We need to prepare for those discussions now.

Traffic Bridge Facts
Weight Restriction - 5 tonnes
Height Restriction - 2.6 metres (8’-6”)
Driving Lanes - 2 narrow driving lanes, 2.9 metres wide/each, no shoulder
Pedestrian Walkway - 1.8 metres wide, on the westside of the superstructure only
Average Weekday Use - 7,493 vehicles in 2008 (3,472 northbound and 4,021 southbound)

Source
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 9:24 PM
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Although it has been known by several names over its long history, it is most correctly called by its original name: the “Traffic Bridge”.
Because it wouldn't be Saskatoon, and it wouldn't be a bridge, if it didn't have multiple names.
     
     
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