AUSTIN | Projects & Construction II - Page 383

Nickelplate · #**7641** Posted **Jun 6, 2010, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by H2O

The recently approved, but still unfunded, 45 SW would benefit the developer so much, they would probably gladly adjust the south edge of the project to accommodate.

Good point and I realize there is a long row to hoe in terms of this project getting off the ground and becoming an actuality.

StoOgE · #**7642** Posted **Jun 6, 2010, 10:04 PM**

I'm from the area that it's going in.

I'm just upset that Hays county went from the country when I was a kid, to a sleepy little bedroom community in high school to suburban hell with no infrastructure or master planning since I went to college.

With the exception of 130 and the new 45S that were built by the state Buda/Kyle have done *nothing* to actually prepare for this. The roads to Buda are the exact same ones that were there 25 years ago.. most of the roads being built are being built by developers. Hell, an exit from 35 that used to go to the middle of nowhere comes to a 4 way stop at the cross street. It's been that way for 30+ years.. it still ends in a stop sign, and the traffic backs up onto 35 for miles as a result because that is how you get from several jumbo neighborhoods to 35.

That entire part of North Hays county has become a giant shithole. They did no planning for growth but handed out permits for 20K person neighborhoods like they were candy without actually stopping to see what the impact of that traffic would be on the area.

Creedmor is lucky that growth has yet to take off there.. and are lucky that the state created some nice exists onto existing roads off of 45.. but heaven help them once neighborhoods start going in out that way. At least Buda was a legit town and had a bit of built up roads before the growth. Creedmor is a wide spot in the road and is about to become a nightmare for traffic.

StoOgE · #**7643** Posted **Jun 6, 2010, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nickelplate

Good point and I realize there is a long row to hoe in terms of this project getting off the ground and becoming an actuality.

Well, they finally started connecting Ben White to the South side of I35 so that should help get people off of 35 from Central Austin... but they really need to get that built so that people headed to West Central Austin can relieve traffic off of I35 before it gets to downtown.

Hell, connecting to Mopac could make it worth people headed North of town to get over to Mopac instead of taking 35 through town.

JACKinBeantown · #**7644** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 3:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Yeah... right. Olympics? No. This city could not handle that.

It would have to be San Antonio and Austin combined, and it would have to be the summer Olympics in February... before it hits 90 degrees.

wwmiv · #**7645** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 4:05 AM**

You all seem to be forgetting that under Olympic bylaws an Olympics can only be awarded to a single municipality. Only under very rare circumstances has the committee waved this requirement (obviously the last was Vancouver, and only because a limited selection of events were held outside of Vancouver's immediate vicinity).

WAustinResident · #**7646** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 4:21 AM**

Honestly I don't know how this olympics thing started, we have a better chance of landing a pro sports team than an olympics.

wwmiv · #**7647** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 6:25 AM**

I don't think a pro-sports team would be a good idea either. The legacy costs that that would inevitably introduce to our economy would be bad. Besides, Austinites just don't care about anything other than UT Football.

BG918 · #**7648** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 2:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

I don't think a pro-sports team would be a good idea either. The legacy costs that that would inevitably introduce to our economy would be bad. Besides, Austinites just don't care about anything other than UT Football.

That was what people said about Oklahoma City with regards to OU football and the NBA has worked there. If there was a pro sports team in Austin I would imagine it would be MLS or MLB though. The F1 proposal is really cool BTW.

WAustinResident · #**7649** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 2:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by BG918

That was what people said about Oklahoma City with regards to OU football and the NBA has worked there. If there was a pro sports team in Austin I would imagine it would be MLS or MLB though. The F1 proposal is really cool BTW.

Yes, I agree with the Oklahoma City assessment. Austin is I think the largest city without a team and the 3rd largest metropolitan area without a team. The issues with it is the proximity to other cities makes NFL tough, if it were NBA there would be 4 teams in 1 state (although california also has 4). MLB makes sense because it wouldn't interfere with football season and there are fewer texas teams to contend with.

I don't consider MLS a major sport, I barely consider NHL one. MLB,NBA and NFL are the primary leagues.

M1EK · #**7650** Posted **Jun 7, 2010, 3:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by StoOgE

I'm from the area that it's going in.

I'm just upset that Hays county went from the country when I was a kid, to a sleepy little bedroom community in high school to suburban hell with no infrastructure or master planning since I went to college.

With the exception of 130 and the new 45S that were built by the state Buda/Kyle have done *nothing* to actually prepare for this. The roads to Buda are the exact same ones that were there 25 years ago.. most of the roads being built are being built by developers. Hell, an exit from 35 that used to go to the middle of nowhere comes to a 4 way stop at the cross street. It's been that way for 30+ years.. it still ends in a stop sign, and the traffic backs up onto 35 for miles as a result because that is how you get from several jumbo neighborhoods to 35.

That entire part of North Hays county has become a giant shithole. They did no planning for growth but handed out permits for 20K person neighborhoods like they were candy without actually stopping to see what the impact of that traffic would be on the area.

Creedmor is lucky that growth has yet to take off there.. and are lucky that the state created some nice exists onto existing roads off of 45.. but heaven help them once neighborhoods start going in out that way. At least Buda was a legit town and had a bit of built up roads before the growth. Creedmor is a wide spot in the road and is about to become a nightmare for traffic.

Counties in Texas have nearly zero land-use authority; they are pretty much forced to hand out those permits for 20k person neighborhoods like they were candy.

migol24 · #**7651** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 1:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Gardensoul: just because it is only a certain distance from downtown does NOT mean that it isn't in the middle of nowhere. It is in the middle of nowhere.

i'm not sure where you've been the last ten years but that area is growing............................................................................................ a lot.

what's the big fuss about some people not wanting this to be built? i mean it's not like i really really really want it to be built. but i just don't see why people care. i'm indifferent about it... but if it does get built it would be cool to see that part of austin growing. cause i don't know whether people like it, i mean, fact is i don't know what people like or don't like... it's all strange to me but the area is growing. it's like going to a small town and people want it to stay small, bland and boring.... and if it starts growing, it beats me why people get upset about it growing. it makes no sense at all. that's what happens all the time... babies are born, people move in while old folks pass on.

i'm not sure it will get built but if it does.... let it. who cares? and no... the area is not in the midddle of nowhere... there's so much traffic in that area. another ten-twenty years austin and san antonio will be connected. pretty much like it is from san francisco to san jose..... which is about the same distance but of course i doubt the area will ever get to 7million people but it might very well come close whether people like it or not.

migol24 · #**7652** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 1:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

I agree, its too spread out and not dense enough. I would like to see double the height of those buildings at least and not as spread out. Lets make that ammount of density that they hope for in half the space and dedicate the rest for natural open areas...

either way would be cool... i think. but it's not like south austin is dedicated for natural open areas.... the area is flippin' ghetto, lame and boring. unless there's some hidden out reservation park i don't know of.... which i doubt would be built over.

migol24 · #**7653** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 1:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by StoOgE

I'm from the area that it's going in.

I'm just upset that Hays county went from the country when I was a kid, to a sleepy little bedroom community in high school to suburban hell with no infrastructure or master planning since I went to college.

With the exception of 130 and the new 45S that were built by the state Buda/Kyle have done *nothing* to actually prepare for this. The roads to Buda are the exact same ones that were there 25 years ago.. most of the roads being built are being built by developers. Hell, an exit from 35 that used to go to the middle of nowhere comes to a 4 way stop at the cross street. It's been that way for 30+ years.. it still ends in a stop sign, and the traffic backs up onto 35 for miles as a result because that is how you get from several jumbo neighborhoods to 35.

That entire part of North Hays county has become a giant shithole. They did no planning for growth but handed out permits for 20K person neighborhoods like they were candy without actually stopping to see what the impact of that traffic would be on the area.

Creedmor is lucky that growth has yet to take off there.. and are lucky that the state created some nice exists onto existing roads off of 45.. but heaven help them once neighborhoods start going in out that way. At least Buda was a legit town and had a bit of built up roads before the growth. Creedmor is a wide spot in the road and is about to become a nightmare for traffic.

i don't know. the way i see it is that there was absolutely nothing that could've possibly made me move to some boring old little country town like buda, kyle or anywhere near hays county. probably not 25 years ago (when i was born) and neither the way it is now. but projects like this make it look somewhat interesting.... not that i'm planning to move there anyway.

KevinFromTexas · #**7654** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 2:24 AM**

I really think the worry is encroaching development on areas just south of the city that are pretty rural and wild. We just went camping at Camp Ben McCulloch on Onion Creek. Besides being on the national register of historic places, it's also beautiful. Onion Creek is pristine which runs through the park. The water was 6 to 8 feet deep in places, and crystal clear. You could see fish swimming at the bottom. I'd really rather not see places like that surrounded by development. It's so nice being able to go down there and swim in the creek in the middle of the night, sit around a camp fire and enjoy it, without a bunch of ugly houses and traffic noise nearby. It's places like that that I worry about.

http://www.campben.com/History.php

http://www.campbenmcculloch.com/

The park has been there since as far back as 1896. It's across the street from the Salt Lick. The guy who owns the Salt Lick at one point at least planned a subdivision nearby. He already owns the property directly next to Camp Ben. Now THAT is out in the middle of nowhere. There are some large homesteads in the area, but no suburban growth. It's mostly rural. We got gas the next morning down the road at a place called Bubba's Country Store. lol

migol24 · #**7655** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 4:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

I really think the worry is encroaching development on areas just south of the city that are pretty rural and wild. We just went camping at Camp Ben McCulloch on Onion Creek. Besides being on the national register of historic places, it's also beautiful. Onion Creek is pristine which runs through the park. The water was 6 to 8 feet deep in places, and crystal clear. You could see fish swimming at the bottom. I'd really rather not see places like that surrounded by development. It's so nice being able to go down there and swim in the creek in the middle of the night, sit around a camp fire and enjoy it, without a bunch of ugly houses and traffic noise nearby. It's places like that that I worry about.

http://www.campben.com/History.php

http://www.campbenmcculloch.com/

The park has been there since as far back as 1896. It's across the street from the Salt Lick. The guy who owns the Salt Lick at one point at least planned a subdivision nearby. He already owns the property directly next to Camp Ben. Now THAT is out in the middle of nowhere. There are some large homesteads in the area, but no suburban growth. It's mostly rural. We got gas the next morning down the road at a place called Bubba's Country Store. lol

what about preserving that sight and setting restrictions on it at a certain distance? how close is that area to I35?

or what do you think about large cities that have done a fairly good job of perserving certain wildlife or parks in the center of a bustling metropolitan? like newyork, vancouver or even LA?

i don't know.. just saying. i really don't care... but austin seems like a city that has done a pretty good job, or at least more than other cities at preserving wildlife or living with it.

and i mean this project seems to be right off of I35 and there's a looooot of traffic that goes through there. we're talking about a highway that runs from canada to what is it, panama?? or something ridiculous like that. and i agree about not building over wildlife but this area is right in the middle of san antonio, san marcos and austin... it's very very very likely that as time goes on people will populate these areas.

KevinFromTexas · #**7656** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 4:17 AM**

Here's a map of where it is.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=camp...98.013378&spn=0.005837,0.008272&t=h&z=17

migol24 · #**7657** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 4:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Here's a map of where it is.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=camp...98.013378&spn=0.005837,0.008272&t=h&z=17

is this place open to the public? maybe i should check the other websites you posted... i'm being lazy.

KevinFromTexas · #**7658** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 4:32 AM**

Yes, it's open to the public. It's not a public park though. It's a really laid back place. I would hate to see it go.

migol24 · #**7659** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

Yes, it's open to the public. It's not a public park though. It's a really laid back place. I would hate to see it go.

yes, i am with you on that. i've never been there, but i can understand if there are parks, or wildlife at stake, unless they can preserve them.

StoOgE · #**7660** Posted **Jun 8, 2010, 3:33 PM**

My problem isn't with growth in North Hays country, it's that the cities there are doing nothing to shape the growth and just letting developers do whatever they want without any kind of sense of a grand scheme.

I mean.. I guess Buda requires all of their big box retail to have windows and white rock facades.. so that's something.

As far as the country being "boring".. I find living in the country a fair bit more exciting than living in big box strip center suburban hell that it has turned into.

I'll either live my entire life in the core of really cool cities (of which Austin qualifies) or in the country. I'll never ever buy a house in the burbs.