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Old Posted May 12, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Very true!

Concerning the proposed 72,000 square foot mutli-use sports center... I wonder how much of a chunk this new place will take out of the existing parking lot just south of Cramton Bowl? From reviewing the City's website, it appears the Armory Learing Arts Center (between Cramton Bowl and the Farmer's Market) is approx. 60,406 square feet... and it takes up a LARGE amount of real estate.

This new construction could have a negative impact on the parking for state employees who find it necessary to park in that lot. Easily half that lot is full on an given workday. Maybe this could spur the state to look at the poor parking situation at some of their capitol complex buildings. Probably not... but it is a consideration when such a large piece of the Cramton Bowl lot may be consumed.
I wish they would build this sports facility where the old rail yard was. The city already owns it. And it doesn't look like the state is going to build the Dept. of Human Resources campus there anymore. It's close to the E.D. and there's plenty of room for parking too.
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I wish they would build this sports facility where the old rail yard was. The city already owns it. And it doesn't look like the state is going to build the Dept. of Human Resources campus there anymore. It's close to the E.D. and there's plenty of room for parking too.
I believe it was the Department of Public Health. I work for DHR in Information Systems and I do not think we were ever in the running for a new campus-type location.

I sorta like your idea too of the rail yard location. Although, I am cool with it being adjacent to a renovated Cramton Bowl, I am just concerned about the lost parking since I have a number of friends that park in that lot.
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I believe it was the Department of Public Health. I work for DHR in Information Systems and I do not think we were ever in the running for a new campus-type location.

I sorta like your idea too of the rail yard location. Although, I am cool with it being adjacent to a renovated Cramton Bowl, I am just concerned about the lost parking since I have a number of friends that park in that lot.
If there's anything we don't need to be concerned about, it is lost parking spaces. Too much of downtown is parking lots already. And we're the most obese city in the nation. Connection?
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If there's anything we don't need to be concerned about, it is lost parking spaces. Too much of downtown is parking lots already. And we're the most obese city in the nation. Connection?
No... I don't get the connection you are after.

We are not discussing walking somewhere, which would involve much needed exercise. The subject is parking and access to free parking for tons (slight pun intended) of state employees. There is currently not a dedicated lot, except for Cramton Bowl, for employees of the Gordon Persons Building and the Folsom Administrative Building.
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If there's anything we don't need to be concerned about, it is lost parking spaces. Too much of downtown is parking lots already. And we're the most obese city in the nation. Connection?
Where is your source that Montgomery is the most obese city in the nation ?
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I believe it was the Department of Public Health. I work for DHR in Information Systems and I do not think we were ever in the running for a new campus-type location.
That's right, it was the Dept. of Public Health. They were going to move out of the RSA Tower to that location.
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I think this an interesting article. What it doesn't say says a lot.
It wasn't just the economy, I believe it was some of the decisions of the developers and others that really slowed down this once promising development...if not doomed it.



Investors rescue Waters development
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Author: Cosby Woodruff
Date: May 9, 2010


Residential development at The Waters, and many other projects, ground to a halt a couple of years ago, but a new financial lifeline means construction is likely to begin anew this quarter.

Birmingham-based ARK Real Estate Strategies bought out bank loans at the project in an equity-for-debt deal. The investors retained most of the original team from The Waters.

With the new financial standing, the stalled concept is finally ready to move ahead with a second residential phase, according to Nathan Norris, director of marketing and design.

Norris said The Waters had the worst possible timing in its development. It started a second phase by building streets and installing utilities, one of the most costly parts of any development.

Just when it was ready to start building homes at full speed, the recession pretty much put a halt to everything, Norris said. With no residential construction under way and no sales in the pipeline, The Waters soon faced financial strain.

Norris described the original bank loans as complicated and spread out among a number of lenders. With little cash to build and few customers, construction hit a standstill.

That opened the door for ARK, which includes an investment fund the company describes as designed to take advantage of distressed real estate projects.

Thomas H. Brigham, the company's chairman, said The Waters was such a bargain.

ARK bought out the bank debt at an undisclosed discount. The banks were willing to sell the loans at a discount because lenders generally do not wish to foreclose on development property.

James Barth, a finance professor at Auburn University, said such deals are not uncommon.

"It is designed to be a win-win for everybody," he said.

It also isn't uncommon for the investors to retain previous management in such a deal, especially if the financial troubles were caused by general market conditions, he said.

"They may think the builder and the project still has potential," he said. "They still need people to run this project."

Brigham said the deal was a great investment for his company, and officials at The Waters are pleased the investment will allow them to move forward with few changes to their original plan.

Ed Welch, one of the development's founders, said keeping the original vision led him to want to be a part of the new deal.

"That was one of the keys," he said. "We were looking for people who share the same vision that we had."
Brigham agreed.

"We think the original vision was the right vision for that community," he said.
"The characteristics of the development will be substantially the same."

That vision is one of concentrated clusters of residential areas separated by open space. All of it is centered around a lake, and each of the clusters was to contain a town-center area of mixed office and retail use.

Brigham said the fund was designed to buy up such struggling projects in what some call second-tier Southern markets. Many such investors look only at markets like Charlotte, N.C., or Atlanta, but he insisted bargains were available in smaller markets.

"We think Montgomery is a great market," he said. "Look at what you have in Hyundai, the state government and the Air Force base."

ARK was not interested in developments that appeared as if a builder simply bought land and started putting up houses.

"The assets have to all be high-quality assets," he said of the fund's investments.

"The Waters kept popping up. It was a well-conceived development."
He said his company found a project that had many good ideas, but simply too many bank loans to remain viable.

"We came in and made a substantial investment in The Waters," he said. "We believe in having little or no debt in anything we do."

That, Welch said, will be the key to making the project profitable.

ARK brings a much-needed financial stability, one that will allow construction to begin almost immediately.

"That is our plan," Welch said, noting the next housing starts should be within 60 days.

"We want to get sticks coming out of the ground because people want to be at The Waters."

Brigham said he expects to make only a few changes to The Waters original concept. One change that is in the works is a shift, at least in part, to a lower entry price for residents.

According to information provided by Norris, building lots in the second phase start at about $57,000 and cost up to $224,000. Houses in the first phase are listed between $270,000 and $415,000.
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article from the Sunday paper

Central Alabama Sports Commission takes small steps in its initial stages

...The commission gave its approval this week to architect's renderings by McKee and Associates for the renovation of Cramton Bowl and the construction of a new multi-purpose arena at the south end of the stadium that must be approved by the City Council...
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Central Alabama Sports Commission takes small steps in its initial stages

...The commission gave its approval this week to architect's renderings by McKee and Associates for the renovation of Cramton Bowl and the construction of a new multi-purpose arena at the south end of the stadium that must be approved by the City Council...
Has anyone seen the renderings of this proposed facility?
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Guys, this looks like some good news about redevelopment around the SW area of downtown.


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Author: Jill Nolin
Date: May 15, 2010

All that is left of the old Carlton McLendon Furniture Factory on Grady Street is a concrete slab. What city leaders are worried about are the possible contaminants that cannot be seen beneath the surface.

Montgomery officials worry that unknown environmental factors could also be one of the stigmas discouraging investors from buying into a distressed area near downtown. They hope assessments of the 31 possible contaminant sites in the immediate area -- and then, if necessary, the remediation that would follow -- will reassure potential investors interested in developing the areas along the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail.

The assessments are possible through a $200,000 grant that was announced Friday morning. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is administering the grant through the Alabama Department of Environmental Management, which will use the grant to perform environmental assessments along the historic trail.

"This (project) has national significance. It also has significance for the cities from Selma to Montgomery," said ADEM Director Lance LeFleur.
"But this is really about the people along the trail. It's about the people who live in this neighborhood. We're remembering and commemorating what people did sometime ago because they felt the need to be involved," Lefleur said, referring to those who participated in the historic march.

The eagerness on the part of city, county and state officials to tackle this "first step" in the process was evident Friday. Folks had not yet cleared out from the news conference when crews started drilling down into the ground for samples.

The tent used for the news conference was actually set up on one of the sites, which used to be a gas station. Montgomery Planning Director Ken Groves said the gas station had an underground, single wall storage tank, which made the likelihood of a leak at some point strong.

Since the Three Points neighborhood -- "Three Points" is a relatively new name for the neighborhood -- was developed before many of today's environmental laws and regulations were created, there is reason to suspect that sites along the trail could have contamination issues.

Officials with ADEM say they are not overly worried about what the assessments might find because the agency will likely be able to treat any contamination that is found. Also, a low-level petroleum leak could disintegrate on its own, according to ADEM officials.

"This has to happen before the rest can happen," LeFleur said. "This does not get it done. This begins the process."

Even though it is not possible to know for sure, Groves said he believes that any problem uncovered during the assessment phase would be "relatively minor." Groves and Gary Sharpe, a project manager who works in the city's community development division, said they are most worried about what might be found at the old Carlton McLendon Furniture Factory site due to the size of the property, the period in which it was in operation and the long length of time that it was up and running.

"This is a $200,000 investment to turn (the neglect of the area) around. It's an investment to say that new life can be breathed into that which was dry bones," U.S. Congressman Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who grew up in the neighborhood, said at the news conference. The mayors of Selma and Hayneville were also present.

The city of Montgomery has formed a public-private partnership with developer Five Star Consortium LLC with the intention of reinventing the historic neighborhood, which is next to Cottage Hill downtown, into a diverse, mixed-use area.

The project, which would invest about $25 million into the neighborhood in just the first phase, is being compared to what was done to revitalize the Sweet Auburn Historical District in Atlanta.

"Today's award will help us move one step closer to achieving our goal," said Montgomery Deputy Mayor Jeff Downes.
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Here's another area that investors have targeted for redevelopment--the old Caroline Court project. They're even having a 24 hour charrette to come up with a development plan.

I wish I'd known about this earlier...

National, international designers flock to Montgomery
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I hope I can be there for the implosion.

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City offers to buy One Court Square

The city of Montgomery has made an offer on a piece of property that is considered the most strategically valuable downtown site in the city's master plan -- One Court Square, according to Mayor Todd Strange.

The city has offered to pay a little more than $3 million for the One Court Square site, which is the site of the old Colonial Bank building and the same property that local officials had proposed unsuccessfully as the new home for the Alabama Legislature.

The offer is for about half of the appraised value for the property. The property is appraised for about $6.2 million, according to Strange.

If the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. accepts the offer, the property could possibly be purchased with a $60 million bond issue that the City Council will first have to pass.

The old Colonial BancGroup headquarters was at One Court Square until 2006 when the company moved out east. The Montgomery-based bank collapsed in August 2009, making it the biggest U.S. bank failure of the year and the sixth-largest in U.S. history.

Strange is preparing a proposal that he said he hopes to present at the next City Council meeting, which is set for Tuesday, June 1. That proposal will include details on what kind of bonds the city could seek out, how much indebtedness the city could incur and what the impact would be on the budget.

The proposal will also include a list of projects that Strange believes should be funded through a bond issue. As of now, Strange is proposing that the city use the bond money in the following ways:


Renovate City Hall and restore the City Auditorium, which would cost as little as $4 million and as much as $6 million.

Help the Montgomery Public School system build a school in east Montgomery, should the board of education decide to go that route.

Either build a new fire station in east Montgomery or renovate the existing station close to the Montgomery Mall.

Overhaul Cramton Bowl and build a 92,000-square-foot multipurpose sports facility, which was the recommendation of the Central Alabama Sports Commission. Changes to the aging football stadium could cost more than $10 million, and the multi-use sports center would cost about $12 million.

Build a connector road from Ray Thorington Road and Taylor Road to encourage development in the area.

Construct a police substation on West Fairview Avenue as part of the West Montgomery Initiative.
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lol. thoraudio, I knew you would be the one to post this article.

But this would be huge if the offer is accepted.


Here's your favorite building...

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Could be a world class public library. The naysayers are savaging Mayor Strange on the Advertiser page.
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Could be a world class public library. The naysayers are savaging Mayor Strange on the Advertiser page.
Those morons attack anything positive about the city. I've never understood why people feel the need to do that.
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Those same far right morons criticize Montgomery on practically anything whether its Bobby or Todd these morons hate good smart groth and common sense but those same morons when a story was talking about Prattville debt issues not a peep from these clowns but they always complain about Montgomery going broke.
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Those morons attack anything positive about the city. I've never understood why people feel the need to do that.
It's cause good news isn't news. Hearing something that people think impacts them negatively is the only thing that gets people talking.

Look at AL.com, anytime a story about the Bush administration is up, you have all the redneck Democrats spouting "He's got bloooooooooood own his hayunds!" The same goes for when a story about Obama comes up, you get all the redneck Republicans spouting "He sooooo stewpiiiiiiid! It's bainkruuuuuptin us!"

I gets kinda ridiculous really... I remember when a story about Birmingham's improving crime rate came up after Larry Langford held a large meeting with the less than fortunate men in Birmingham about taking responsibility for their community, lives, and families. That was one of the 1 or 2 things that the man ever did that was good, and people still found a way to cast it in a negative light.

When this kinda stuff happens, it used to get me depressed, but now I've come to realize that most of the people that post have no idea what they're talking about, and they are not representative of what the community as a whole believes. Most people are willing to have an open mind when it comes to local government, but sadly those are the people who usually won't post on these kinds of things online, only the people who hate any kind of progress post crap like that.
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Amen tredici i totally agree i have to amend my statement and say morons in general.
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Could be a world class public library. The naysayers are savaging Mayor Strange on the Advertiser page.
That's been my hope for One court Square...the modern kind with a mix of dining and retail included.


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Those same far right morons criticize Montgomery on practically anything whether its Bobby or Todd these morons hate good smart groth and common sense but those same morons when a story was talking about Prattville debt issues not a peep from these clowns but they always complain about Montgomery going broke.
It's their pattern. I noticed the same thing about that Prattville debt story. It darn-near killed Marty Rooney to have to report that type of story in the paper. But he didn't tell everything, the actual situation is worse than how the auditor and city council portrayed it in the article.


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When this kinda stuff happens, it used to get me depressed, but now I've come to realize that most of the people that post have no idea what they're talking about, and they are not representative of what the community as a whole believes. Most people are willing to have an open mind when it comes to local government, but sadly those are the people who usually won't post on these kinds of things online, only the people who hate any kind of progress post crap like that.

Yes, usually the majority of thinking, reasonable people are usually "silent" when it comes to voicing their views. Don't even waste time on the naysayers. These are the same jackals who said the city would be throwing away money because building Riverwalk stadium would never work.
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Aren't you glad the city doesn't listen to internet bloggers?

whoa, wait a minute...
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