HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #8181  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 2:31 PM
Echoes's Avatar
Echoes Echoes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 4,518
Of interest...

City paves the way
$5M will pave gravel roadways throughout city

By Jeremy Warren, The StarPhoenix May 17, 2010

Dust is the worst part about the gravel road in front of Warren Campbell's hardware store on Avenue M South, in the centre of Saskatoon.

"We're constantly cleaning dust off our shelves," Campbell said in the office of his Home Hardware outlet. "Look at my desk," he said, moving his finger across the desktop and leaving a clean path through the dust.

Because the road outside the store, which Campbell owns with his sister, Shannon Brossart, is not paved, a slight breeze will kick up dust and push it through the store's entrance and loading bays. Traffic from heavy trucks creates washboard conditions on the street.

"I've driven over those ruts and it shakes the living daylights out of my car," Brossart said.

Throughout Saskatoon there are dozens of gravel streets in quiet residential neighbourhoods and busy industrial areas. This year the city is spending $5 million to pave those roads, including the one in front of the hardware store.

The 2010 funding for gravel road paving is 10 times the usual annual budget for these projects.

"It'll be nice to have it done," said Campbell. He doesn't believe the poor quality road has been bad for his business, but he said that a new road will make the area more attractive.

The city spent $3.1 million during the past four years to pave roads. After 2010, there's still more streets the city wants paved, but funding beyond the annual $500,000 budget hasn't been approved.

Another $6.5 million is needed to finish the roads that remain -- about three kilometres worth -- after the work planned for 2010 is done, said Cory Funk, infrastructure services project manager.

"You have $500,000 a year, and it doesn't cover much construction," Funk said. "It might cover three or four blocks at time."

Roads will be stripped and then layered with a fresh gravel base and asphalt. Some blocks will have sidewalks and sewage/water systems improved or installed.

Many of the gravel roads crisscross the west industrial areas, but they can also be found in neighbourhoods such as City Park and Pleasant Hill.

Unpaved roads in the city's centre create perception problems and hurt property values, said the city's neighbourhood planning manager, Alan Wallace.

"It does not project the image of a thriving city," he said. "Cities can let their cores die or fend for themselves, but we're not about to sit back and let the core crumble."

The city is fixing past mistakes of residents, Funk said. When original neighbourhoods were planned, property owners had a choice to pay for gravel or asphalt roads in new neighbourhoods.

"The money from lot sales is what pays for the roads, and when the original lot sales paid for roads, it was for gravel," Funk said.

"One hundred years later, we're back in the core trying to improve the neighbourhoods," Wallace said.

The city does get complaints from residents, but the regular, and most vocal, complaints are from the west industrial area, Funk said.

"These are businesses that have been here for many years and are taxpayers," he said. "They want a paved road. They don't want to see the washboards on the gravel roads. The roads see a lot of big trucks. By upgrading them, it's quieter, less dusty and looks like a city."

Upgrading roads in the west industrial area will make the area competitive with industrial areas elsewhere in Saskatoon, Wallace said.

"The area hasn't changed in 20 years, but it's suffered from lack of access to highways," he said. "(Paved roads) puts them on equal footing, transportation-wise."

Down the road from Home Hardware, Glenn Camrud, owner of Ram Mechanical and Marketing, has been pressuring city council to pave Avenue M South between 17th and 19th streets.

The gravel road -- dusty or muddy, depending on the weather -- doesn't reflect well on his business, Camrud said.

"We struggle to bring people here because it's a mudhole," he said. "It's embarrassing. . . .

We have professionals come here and I don't think living in a civil city we should be dealing with this."

Now that the street is slated for paving this year, Camrud lauds city council for funding the road work.

"They're going to do it, and that's all I care about," he said.

Across the river, in the Avalon neighbourhood, Kevin Jones lives along Niderost Street, a residential street unpaved for two blocks, between Melrose and McPherson avenues, except for the asphalt road that intersects the two streets. For two blocks, the dirt street is marked with dozens of potholes the size of dinner plates.

The city has Niderost Street on its to-do list, but it's on the list of unfunded, unscheduled streets.

"I pay taxes, so why shouldn't it be paved?" Jones said. "I pay $2,300 in taxes. You cut that 80 per cent and I won't complain about the dirt road."

Unpaved roads have always bothered city engineers, but the city needed a political push to start working, Funk said.

"It's not like these roads are all of a sudden failing," he said. "It's always been an issue. Council just decided it was a priority. The main issue is the people want them, and the city wants them."

[email protected]

PLANNED PAVING IN 2010

- Avenue O South between 16th and 17th streets

- Avenue M South between 17th and 19th streets

- 18th Street West between Avenue L and Avenue N

- 17th Street West between Avenue Q and Avenue S

- 107th Street along east train tracks for 700 metres

- Lauriston Street from Second Avenue to Ninth Avenue

- Warburton Street between Seventh Avenue and qoth Avenue

- Wheaton Avenue between 46th and 47th streets

© Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/City+paves/3037039/story.html#ixzz0oCI0J3v2
__________________
SASKATOON PHOTO TOURS
2013: [Part I] [Part II] | [2014] | [2016] | [2022-25]
     
     
  #8182  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 4:52 PM
circle33's Avatar
circle33 circle33 is offline
Has been
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 4,936
Quote:
Originally Posted by Country View Post

- Wheaton Avenue between 46th and 47th streets

Thank god for that one. I bike it every day and, despite best efforts to keep them filled, there is no way of avoiding crater sized potholes.
__________________
signature
     
     
  #8183  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 5:15 PM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
It's nice to see the city finishing things like this within the city. So has anyone noticed that just off Broadway along 8th st. a block of houses was knocked down to make way for vert or whatever the development is called? I wish more urban condos and lofts were being built, and ones that could house a family, meaning 4 bedroom etc.
__________________
Just be.
     
     
  #8184  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 6:10 PM
dsim249's Avatar
dsim249 dsim249 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
Posts: 946
^ The Vestel. Someone just posted the link a few pages ago. But I can't seem to find it searching on Google...

Edit: Nevermind, found it. www.thevestel.ca
     
     
  #8185  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 7:01 PM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
It's pretty ugly isn't it?! Oh well density is always good.
__________________
Just be.
     
     
  #8186  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 7:44 PM
shmakim shmakim is offline
Burb Dweller
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 243
Quote:
Originally Posted by Country View Post
- Warburton Street between Seventh Avenue and qoth Avenue
Warburton Street named after renowned early 20th century physician and businessman Timothy Warburton, and Qoth Avenue named after legendary Klingon general Ha'DIbaH Qoth.

Qapla' !!

Okay, just joking, but is there really a street in Saskatoon called Qoth?
     
     
  #8187  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 8:00 PM
mike474's Avatar
mike474 mike474 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Copenhagen
Posts: 600
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgc087 View Post
It's pretty ugly isn't it?! Oh well density is always good.
Yea it looks more like a condo conversion than a new build. Oh well, it's better than what it replaced.
     
     
  #8188  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 8:36 PM
Echoes's Avatar
Echoes Echoes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 4,518
Quote:
Originally Posted by Country View Post
City paves the way
$5M will pave gravel roadways throughout city
As a bit of commentary on this article, I am happy to see these paving projects going ahead. These gravel roads in our core neighborhoods reflect poorly on outsider perceptions of these areas, especially on the west side where they can be found in West Industrial and Pleasant Hill.

As part of a larger effort to improve conditions and encourage development in the West Industrial area, this paving work compliments the West Industrial Concep Plan which aims in part to improve transportation connections between the neighbourhood and major routes. The rail line that cuts through that area really disrupts the street grid, and has isolated the area. West Industrial and its surroundings is perhaps Saskatoon's most notabe "backwater." The Circle Drive South project will also help improve access to the area, as the Pleasant Hill Village project will bring re-investment and improved perceptions.

This excerpt, taken from the Pleasant Hill Local Area Plan regarding unpaved roads, has an interesting take on the matter:
Quote:
The derelict nature of these roadways have received National media attention. In October 2000, Maclean’s Magazine when reporting on Roy Romanow’s departure as Premier of Saskatchewan stated that, “Saskatoon in 1991 was something of a shock. It was a prosperous place -- the "jewel of the prairies" -- yet some inner-city streets were still unpaved…it’s hard to say what is more surprising: that at the end of the 20th Century, a serious Canadian city could still have an entire neighbourhood with dirt streets; or that one of the country’s more enduring political figures could emerge from such a poverty-stricken ethnic ghetto…”70.
This quote is a reflection of the perception that exists in Canada about Saskatoon’s core area, which can serve as a reminder that our standards may need to improve.
http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...LAP/Pages/PleasantHillLocalAreaPlan.aspx
__________________
SASKATOON PHOTO TOURS
2013: [Part I] [Part II] | [2014] | [2016] | [2022-25]
     
     
  #8189  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 9:19 PM
drm310's Avatar
drm310 drm310 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 650
Perhaps that was supposed to be "10th" Avenue, which actually intersects Warburton?

Quote:
Originally Posted by shmakim View Post
Warburton Street named after renowned early 20th century physician and businessman Timothy Warburton, and Qoth Avenue named after legendary Klingon general Ha'DIbaH Qoth.

Qapla' !!

Okay, just joking, but is there really a street in Saskatoon called Qoth?
     
     
  #8190  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 10:09 PM
Devon Devon is offline
Regina SK
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Saskatoon via Regina
Posts: 643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Country View Post
As a bit of commentary on this article, I am happy to see these paving projects going ahead. These gravel roads in our core neighborhoods reflect poorly on outsider perceptions of these areas, especially on the west side where they can be found in West Industrial and Pleasant Hill.

As part of a larger effort to improve conditions and encourage development in the West Industrial area, this paving work compliments the West Industrial Concep Plan which aims in part to improve transportation connections between the neighbourhood and major routes. The rail line that cuts through that area really disrupts the street grid, and has isolated the area. West Industrial and its surroundings is perhaps Saskatoon's most notabe "backwater." The Circle Drive South project will also help improve access to the area, as the Pleasant Hill Village project will bring re-investment and improved perceptions.

This excerpt, taken from the Pleasant Hill Local Area Plan regarding unpaved roads, has an interesting take on the matter:

http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/Comm...LAP/Pages/PleasantHillLocalAreaPlan.aspx


Moving from Regina to Saskatoon, I found it quite strange that some of these roads were unpaved. It kind of shows how in the past the city has sort of swept a lot of this area under the rug. As of right now,I'm happy with all the money being put into the area between Idylwyld and circle drive west. River landing, station 20 west and the multiple affordable housing projects as well as the Caswell Hill redevelopment plans!
     
     
  #8191  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 11:09 PM
Jerry's Avatar
Jerry Jerry is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 798
Here's the story on WoodlandCritter. Good stuff Woodland and thanks David for doing the story.

-------------------------------------------------------------------


UWaterloo student designs downtown bus mall

By David Hutton Mon, May 17 2010


Stefan Berry, a fourth year University of Waterloo architecture student, designed a new bus mall for downtown Saskatoon for a class this term.

The project took roughly a week with a fellow student, he said.

The requirements were to design a steel structure (without cost estimates).

Berry titled it 'Core Connection.'

The images have apparently found their way to City Hall and councillors.

There have been two sets of renderings for a new downtown bus terminal in the past that haven't been successful, including one last year that was widely panned by councillors.

Saskatoon Transit is now looking at dispersing stops throughout the downtown instead of one centralized location. Story here.

Nevertheless, the images are fun to look at. They remind me of the Bird's Nest stadium that was designed for the Beijing Olympics.

Berry said he met the site size specifications by measuring on Google Maps.











Source

Last edited by Jerry; May 18, 2010 at 9:35 AM. Reason: Added a link for a previous sp story
     
     
  #8192  
Old Posted May 17, 2010, 11:41 PM
Echoes's Avatar
Echoes Echoes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 4,518
^ Thanks Jerry. And once again, great work WoodlandCritter!

An On Campus News article from March about the proposed architecture school found here. I hadn't read it until now. It's very optimistic sounding, like all the talk about the school so far. I have high hopes for this.
__________________
SASKATOON PHOTO TOURS
2013: [Part I] [Part II] | [2014] | [2016] | [2022-25]
     
     
  #8193  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 12:22 AM
WoodlandCritter WoodlandCritter is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 345
Thanks. Thats an encouraging article about the possibilities of opening a school here at the UofS.
     
     
  #8194  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 1:51 AM
milanboy milanboy is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
...

Saskatoon Transit is now looking at dispersing stops throughout the downtown instead of one centralized location....
Now this is just the stupidest thing I have ever heard. A passenger catches a bus heading downtown and then has to wander around downtown trying to find their "non-connecting" bus to continue their bus ride. It will be particularly arduous in winter.

It would appear that Saskatoon Transit really does not want people to ride city buses.
     
     
  #8195  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 2:13 AM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
It really is goofy to split it all up! I think they could just get rid of loitering if they didn't have places for people to loiter, it really is as simple as that!
__________________
Just be.
     
     
  #8196  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 6:06 AM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgc087 View Post
It really is goofy to split it all up! I think they could just get rid of loitering if they didn't have places for people to loiter, it really is as simple as that!
They'll just migrate one block east to the civic plaza...then what?!?

Politics
     
     
  #8197  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 2:12 PM
Jerry's Avatar
Jerry Jerry is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 798
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgc087 View Post
It really is goofy to split it all up! I think they could just get rid of loitering if they didn't have places for people to loiter, it really is as simple as that!

Well that issue will never be solved. Humans are social animals.
But if you make an area inviting enough then people from all walks of life will be able to share and enjoy it.
     
     
  #8198  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 4:01 PM
nook nook is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 347
The other day my girlfriend was telling me that she was listening to the radio (c95 or Wired, likely) and they were talking about two things that are going into that new shopping centre they're building in Erindale: TJ Maxx and an Ice cream place (Cold Stone Creamery, I bet)

Anyone else hear about that?

Cold stone is awesome, and I hope we get one soon.
     
     
  #8199  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 4:14 PM
dsim249's Avatar
dsim249 dsim249 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
Posts: 946
Quote:
Originally Posted by nook View Post
The other day my girlfriend was telling me that she was listening to the radio (c95 or Wired, likely) and they were talking about two things that are going into that new shopping centre they're building in Erindale: TJ Maxx and an Ice cream place (Cold Stone Creamery, I bet)

Anyone else hear about that?

Cold stone is awesome, and I hope we get one soon.
I have my serious doubt about those two. There are no Cold Stones in Canada. And T.J. Maxx operates in Canada as Winners and HomeSense. Maybe We'll get a second Winners again.
     
     
  #8200  
Old Posted May 18, 2010, 4:41 PM
lbird lbird is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 155
City Park.

For those keeping score, here is work planned in the next few years for City Park (in order of likelihood):

Paving of Laurentian Street
2nd Avenue Food Bank garden
Addition to SaskTel call center building
New weir waterpark.
Conversion of old Mendel Gallery to Meewasin Interpretive Center
Condos on FNUC Saskatoon site
Children's Hospital on City Hospital site

Not bad for one small, older neighbourhood.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:25 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.