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Old Posted May 10, 2010, 11:57 PM
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Old Posted May 11, 2010, 12:13 AM
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What is it exactly would you be expecting if you lived in a downtown setting? Have you ever lived in a downtown? I lived in a downtown of a large city and one of the reasons I choose to live there is because of what downtown has to offer, the noise, the lights and being in the midst of old and new buildings and the unique character that makes a city what it is. It's amazing what you get used to after a while as far as sounds and lights go, and they simply become just a part of your life and you tend to not notice them anymore. The first month or so I would wake up each tuesday morning about 4 am when the garbage truck would come down the alley to empty the dumpsters six floors below my apartment, and the glowing lights of the nearby arena would occasionally keep me up at first. After a month and a half or so, it was all part of the routine and I grew to like them and actually miss those sounds and lights now that I am back in a single family home.

I personally would love to have a condo that possibly offered me views of the Walker sign or in the Regent with the hopefully soon to return First Security signs viewable from my window. And then just as Urban Boy suggested, if there is a particular night that the flashing or solid blue or red sign bothers you, then you simply close your blinds. Or design it so that the bedrooms face north and south and the living areas face west. It really is all a matter of preference, if you don't want a light in your room, live on the other side, but there are plenty of people out there that would choose to live on the side near the lights.

I don't doubt that it's possible for people to become desensitized to the irritants around them. That's why people can tolerate things like train horns, bright flashing lights, and some of the things you mentioned. But that doesn't mean those things aren't ultimately undesirable. It doesn't mean you must like those things in order to live somewhere where they're somewhat more common than elsewhere, as you claimed. That's like saying you have to want to live in Times Square to live in New York.

Sure, nearly anyone can grow to appreciate things like bright flashing lights, garbage trucks, and what else.. but in my opinion, subjecting prospective residents to those things is not the best way to grow and expand downtown, considering how small and limited in variety it already is. My preference would be to fill up prime residential locations with residences before using less desirable locations for such. I think an office tower would be more appropriate for the location in question, because it would primarily be used when the sign isn't on and flashing.

There are plenty of reasons to live downtown, but often times it's only a small factor, such as an impending yet subtle nuisance, that sways people toward living somewhere else. It would be very unfortunate if the growth of downtown were hindered because of an unnecessarily poor selection of residences.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2010, 12:39 AM
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Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that is the only reason people live downtown, but your opinion that the Gallivan Center spot is undesirable and not ideal for residential is just that, an opinion; whereas I completely disagree. Again it all comes down to a matter of opinion. I think it's a prime location, because of it's location across from Gallivan and the Walker Center lights only add a positive to it, while your opinion it would negatively affect the potential attraction.

I would guess that as the city continues to grow in downtown residents this would be a prime location for residential. The allure of having the cities living room (Gallivan) outside your front door and outside your window would command a very high price, IMO.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2010, 11:14 AM
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Having lived in very urban settings, I totally concur with your posts Future Mayor. I think the Regent is a fantastic location, and Gallivan would also be very attractive. I do appreciate that there are those who will opt for a quiet cul de sac, and it's important that Americans continue to have options. The problem with Salt Lake City and Metro is that there hasn't been enough viable options for living in a downtown setting. Thankfully, that seems to be changing rapidly and in a major way.
     
     
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Old Posted May 11, 2010, 2:56 PM
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I think the best judge of whether or not the bright lights from surrounding signs will have an impact on The Regent, is the market. If the units don't sell, or don't sell well, then we'll know there was a negative impact. I do not think that will be the case in this scenario.

I would love to have a condo downtown but as a buyer I would find a building that suited me and my personality. I personally hate neon signs. I find them to be obnoxious and obtrusive. I wouldn't mind if the Walker or First Security Signs went away and never returned but that is strictly an opinion. I can understand why people appreciate the history behind them.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if you don't like it choose a home where it won't be a problem.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2010, 1:28 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the First Security signs didn't come back for that very reason.
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Old Posted May 12, 2010, 7:04 AM
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None of the signs, if replaced, would actually face the Regent.

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I think the best judge of whether or not the bright lights from surrounding signs will have an impact on The Regent, is the market. If the units don't sell, or don't sell well, then we'll know there was a negative impact...
This is not entirely fair say in this market.
     
     
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Old Posted May 12, 2010, 12:39 PM
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A streetcar behind The Gateway? SLC says maybe - Planning » Fans say the proposal could breathe life into the area and 'catalyze' development.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune


Snaking a streetcar along 500 West instead of 400 West could activate the area behind The Gateway, still connect to a future Davis County streetcar line, and perhaps, better cross the busy freeway ramps at 500 South and 600 South.



Toward that end, the Salt Lake City Council, acting Tuesday as the Redevelopment Agency, unanimously approved nearly $60,000 to study the potential route. If funded one day, it could run from the new viaduct at North Temple to 900 South through the so-called "Granary District."

Mayor Ralph Becker favors the concept since it could energize a moribund stretch of western downtown, Community and Economic Development Director Frank Gray told the RDA Board.

"It becomes a very strong spine," he said. "And it provides a great deal of development potential."

The idea is far from final and still must be negotiated with the Utah Department of Transportation. Crossing the busy east-west lanes just east of Interstate 15 is the challenge. That could happen at 400 West, which has existing traffic lights. A second option is 500 West with the help of a streetcar light that Gray said would only change every 15 minutes to maintain traffic flow. Or, it could swing west to 600 West and skirt underneath the freeway viaducts.

Studying those routes was recommended by HDR Engineering and Fehr & Peers, consultants hired in September for a downtown streetcar study.

"It's pretty hard to find a street, especially in Salt Lake, that can't accommodate a streetcar," Charlie Hales of HDR Engineering told the RDA.

The streetcar scheme assumes TRAX will be "built out" consistent with the Downtown in Motion plan. That vision calls for the Utah Transit Authority to lay new track along 700 South, 400 West and 400 South -- completing a downtown light-rail loop, still several years out.

The streetcar route would then complement the planned TRAX circulator. A second streetcar segment would jog east from the transit hub at 600 West up 200 South to at least 500 East. RDA Chairman Luke Garrott said the ultimate goal should be a connection to the University of Utah. If that happens, Hales said the steepness at the top of 200 South would force the streetcar one block north to 100 South.

Overall, a downtown streetcar is expected to "catalyze" development, which officials would leverage to pay for the transportation project.

The capital might need to simplify its downtown zoning, Hales said, and should eliminate its downtown surface parking lots in favor of a mix of housing and shops. After all, once one streetcar line is established, Hales noted, an entire network often follows, as does a vibrant, walkable urban core.

"You're preaching to the choir," Councilman Van Turner said. "We want that."

RDA members also pledged later this year to plant shade trees along the 500 West park strips behind The Gateway and Rio Grande to entice more activity on the mostly dead public space. Current sculptures and oddly placed benches, the board acknowledged, should probably be moved.

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SLC chooses architect for police HQ

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_15065367

Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker has named the architecture team to oversee the design and construction of the $125 million public safety building and emergency operations center planned just east of Library Square.

Becker selected GSBS Architects and McClaren, Wilson & Lawrie, the unanimous recommendation of a selection committee that included city police, firefighters, planners and business leaders.

The team's approach "stood out, clearly, as the most community-focused and technically savvy submission," ...

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Old Posted May 12, 2010, 3:27 PM
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I did mention The Regent specifically but I feel that my comments would work for any downtown development, and there are a lot of factors in a city that some would consider a nuisance and others would consider urban ambiance.

Urbanboy, I think it is fair in this market to make the comments that I did. If a project sells well or doesn't perform well is a reference to today's market which is completely unlike the economic market of 2007. I realize that it has slowed down but good projects are still selling units, The Regent appears that they are doing well, looking at their website.

I am glad that there are many developments in the downtown and surrounding areas that are very different so that they can appeal to many different segments of the population.
     
     
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Salt Lake isn't going to get the 2010 convention.

GOP picks Tampa for 2012 convention
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10745154

OXON HILL, Md. (AP) -- The Republicans have picked Tampa for their 2012 presidential convention.

Losing out were Salt Lake City and Phoenix.

The choice by the selection committee Wednesday still needs formal approval from the full Republican National Committee in August, but that is considered a formality.

Florida is a swing state in presidential elections with a hefty 27 electoral votes.

The last Republican convention in Florida was in Miami in 1972 when the party nominated President Richard Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew.





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Salt Lake isn't going to get the 2010 convention.

GOP picks Tampa for 2012 convention
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10745154

OXON HILL, Md. (AP) -- The Republicans have picked Tampa for their 2012 presidential convention.

Losing out were Salt Lake City and Phoenix.

The choice by the selection committee Wednesday still needs formal approval from the full Republican National Committee in August, but that is considered a formality.

Florida is a swing state in presidential elections with a hefty 27 electoral votes.

The last Republican convention in Florida was in Miami in 1972 when the party nominated President Richard Nixon and Vice President Spiro Agnew.





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Bummer for SLC, but the right move for the GOP.
     
     
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I agree. It would've been fun for Salt Lake to host, but why host in a State where your assured that all the delegates will be delivered?
Hosting it in Utah, wouldn't swing anyone.
     
     
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Bummer for SLC, but the right move for the GOP.
I for sure thought SLC was going to win the bid. Bummer...

I wonder what were the factors of why choosing Tampa? (Nothing against Tampa, just curious.)
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I for sure thought SLC was going to win the bid. Bummer...

I wonder what were the factors of why choosing Tampa? (Nothing against Tampa, just curious.)
Florida is much more of a swing state. Utah is solidly in the Republican camp so they gain nothing by being there.
     
     
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Florida is much more of a swing state. Utah is solidly in the Republican camp so they gain nothing by being there.
Ah very true. I did not think about that. Thanks for clarifying. The way politics are being played out, Florida would be better for the GOP.
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Bummer for SLC, but the right move for the GOP.
Agreed. I don't think many of us are surprised they picked Tampa, seeing it was their 3rd bid try. And Phoenix would have been too much controversy right now...

I think the formula is keep trying.
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Tampa beats out Salt Lake for 2012 GOP convention

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700031732/Tampa-beats-out-Salt-Lake-for-2012-GOP-convention.html

SALT LAKE CITY — Well, there's always 2016.

Now that the 2012 Republican National Convention is going to Tampa, Fla., backers of Salt Lake City's unsuccessful bid are setting their sights further into the future...

..."They are very anxious that we stay in the running. They hope we have an interest in 2016, and I assured them that we would," Salt Lake Chamber President and Chief Executive Officer Lane Beattie said. "While we didn't get it, we were very, very pleased that we ended up being a second choice."

Beattie, who headed the Salt Lake host committee, said the Utah capital is now the frontrunner for 2016...


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2 apartment projects in dt this summer

2 apartment projects in downtown are slated for construction beginning this summer: Providence on 309 E. 100 S. and another nearby. See article. It's always good news to have new residential development occur near the downtown area.


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Ah very true. I did not think about that. Thanks for clarifying. The way politics are being played out, Florida would be better for the GOP.
Well, studies have shown that the party doesn't really get any bounce in the state that hosts the convention at all.
     
     
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