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Old Posted May 9, 2010, 2:57 AM
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Cramton Bowl could be getting a makeover
By Tim Gayle • April 26, 2010


City officials are moving ahead with plans to renovate Cramton Bowl and to build an indoor sports arena, perhaps in the parking lot adjacent to the municipal football stadium.

Mayor Todd Strange spoke to city council members last week about his $30 million project, with two-thirds of that expenditure aimed at creating a new 95,000-square foot indoor sports facility.

"We have talked about it," said City Council president Charles Jinright. "We've talked about how to finance it and where the revenue would come from. I think we all saw the indoor volleyball tournament (in January at the Performing Arts Center) was such a success and how to move on that. It's an opportunity to bring people to Montgomery and fill up our motels.

"We know we'll have a lot of naysayers but it's an investment in our city."

Strange said the timing would never be better, considering bonds are at record low interest rates and there are several types of financial incentives readily available for the project. He said he would finalize plans and present a proposal to the City Council for their vote some time early this summer.

Strange took the first step in this direction in September when he announced the creation of the Central Alabama Sports Commission and named Ken Blankenship its executive director. The first duty of the commission was to survey the city's facilities and determine which venues needed to be upgraded.

"The renovation of Cramton Bowl is clearly a need that we have," Strange said. "I'm moving forward with proposals to renovate Cramton Bowl and to build an indoor sports facility of 95,000 square feet that would accommodate volleyball, wrestling, basketball, indoor soccer and tennis.

"This is not a cost, this is an investment. It's just like Riverwalk Stadium. How much criticism was there six or seven years ago when we spent $26 million to build Riverwalk? There should be no criticism today because it was an investment that is paying huge dividends. It's the exact same thing with an indoor facility. There is no city our size anywhere that doesn't have those kinds of facilities."

The city has conducted studies in the past to renovate the 88-year-old Cramton Bowl, but those studies included some type of financial partnership with Alabama State University, which uses the facility for its home football games. As Alabama State officials continue plans of building an on-campus facility, Strange moved onward alone to put the finishing touches on the city's stadium.

A $4.2 million renovation in 2004 swapped the natural grass playing surface for an artificial surface, remodeled the dressing rooms, added aluminum seating to the West stands and upgraded the lights. It was the first substantial work done to the stadium since the East stands were added in 1962.

"We've got to do something to it," Jinright said. "The only thing we've done to it is put in a new field, dressing rooms and seating, but nothing to the press box or the concession stands. It's old. It needs to be renovated, it needs to be changed."

The city was approached about hosting the championship games of the Alabama High School Athletic Association in the late 1990s, but its inadequate dressing area for teams prevented that. When the Blue-Gray All-Star Football Classic lost its corporate sponsorship in 2000, officials were unable to attract a new sponsor with an outdated press box that does not include luxury suites for sponsors.

The new plans drawn up by local architect McKee and Associates include an elevator to a new press box, a suite area for Alabama State officials or potential game sponsors, and additional dressing rooms under the East stands. It also specifies an entrance off of Madison Avenue that would change the North bowl area into an open area and improvements to the concourse area under the West stands.

"There are a lot of reasons to fix Cramton Bowl and (attracting new events) is one of them because we've got to go to the next level," Blankenship said.

"There are 30 reasons to fix Cramton Bowl. If we fix it, we're going to have more than football in there. There are a world of things we're looking at that can be in there, but we've got to fix it."

Most of the plans, added Wiley Steen, are similar to the last plans presented to then-Mayor Bobby Bright nearly a decade ago.

"We used part of the ideas but actually got a different architect," said Steen, director of the city's Leisure Services and Facilities Management and a member of the sports commission. "It's basically the same thing -- a new press box, the concourse on the West (press box) side and a new entrance on Madison Avenue. It would give the sports commission a chance to bid on some stuff."

There are several areas to place the new indoor facility, but the most logical is to add it to the area outside of the South end zone at Cramton Bowl, where parking already exists and where the new facility can provide additional accessories to the football stadium.

"There are a couple of options," Strange said. "That will be a decision that the commission will make hopefully this month. If we pull the trigger in the next 60-90 days, we can play in it in the fall of 2011."

Sports commission member Quentin Riggins, an all-state linebacker at Robert E. Lee who played in Cramton Bowl during the mid-1980s, said everyone is in agreement with Strange that the time has come to upgrade the city's sports facilities to lure more events to the Capital City.

"When you look at other communities, they have made upgrades to their facilities and created multi-purpose facilities," he said. "I think it's time to do that with Montgomery's facilities.

"Alabama State and AUM, even Auburn up the street, Troy down the road, you can figure out with the sports commission how to take advantage of these schools' (athletic programs) if you had the facilities to do so. We've got to put the facilities together to attract them."

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What we really missed out on, was Auburn playing football in Crampton Bowl. The last Tiger game there was 1953.
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Cramton Bowl upgrades may help generate revenue, jobs
By Cosby Woodruff • May 11, 2010


The Central Alabama Sports Commission took one look at a proposal for $22 mil­lion in upgrades to Cramton Bowl and heard the improve­ments could pay for them­selves quickly, then voted to suggest the Montgomery City Council move ahead with the changes.

Changes to the aging foot­ball stadium could cost more than $10 million, and an ad­joining multi-use sports cen­ter would cost about $12 mil­lion.

A study by Troy Universi­ty economist Phillip Mixon said the project could generate up to 341 jobs dur­ing the construction phase, more than 800 permanent jobs and almost $87 million in annual revenue.

Those best-case numbers would require the facility to attract about 50 sporting events -- largely youth tour­naments -- each year. Mixon also used more conservative estimates of 17 and 34 events per year in compiling eco­nomic estimates.

In those cases, the jobs and dollar impact was much less. If the venue hosts 17 tourna­ments per year, it would net only 203 jobs and about $26 million. At 34 events, it would create 514 jobs and more than $55 million.

Mixon cautioned that many of the jobs would be part-time or seasonal. And none of it is guaranteed, he warned the commission in his report.

"It usually takes a signifi­cant amount of time and new economic activity to recover the costs of building large sports facilities," he said.

Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange said he hopes to present a proposal to the City Council by the end of this month. If that happens, he said construction on the sta­dium itself could start by July and be completed in time for the 2011 football sea­son.

The basic plan for the sta­dium would rip out the stands on the north end of the field near Madison Ave­nue and replace them with a pedestrian-friendly plaza. The press box would be re­worked and have an elevator installed.The concourse un­der the main bleachers would be renovated to in­clude new lighting and drainage.

The new building would have space for multiple bas­ketball or volleyball games at any time and would be available for private rental, Strange said.It would have 72,000 square feet.

Strange said it is impor­tant for work to begin quick­ly. The recession led to con­struction bargains and it will take a couple of years for the center to build a list of events.
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They should build a new foot­ball stadium, multi-use sports cen­ter, and parking garage in the entertainment district. To the right of Riverwalk stadium, near the Riverwalk, near the 'Across the river park' (I gave it that name), near the sky bridge taking you to the park, near the hotels, and near the eateries.

Near the infrastructure they have already created.
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I semi agree with you but all those things go together. Those items work together to create a draw. You want people to be able to park their car and be within walking distance of the draws I listed above. Dexter Avenue is also within walking distance. Troy UM is also within walking distance. There are no other entertainment related business close to the Cramton bowl so there is no need of building it there. If you build in near the riverwalk you can use all the parking garages in that area. There’s already a eatery infrastructure there and more would come. With all those draws the shops would come also.

A bigger farmers market area would be nice in the area were the Cramton bowl is.
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True, it would spur new development on the the eastern edge of downtown, but I kinda' wish it were closer to the E.D.

Not bad though. That means there will be redevelopment going on in the east, central (lower Dexter), and western areas (Maxwell Blvd, 5 points, 3 points) of downtown.
That's a lot of real estate...

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That's a lot of real estate...
Very true!

Concerning the proposed 72,000 square foot mutli-use sports center... I wonder how much of a chunk this new place will take out of the existing parking lot just south of Cramton Bowl? From reviewing the City's website, it appears the Armory Learing Arts Center (between Cramton Bowl and the Farmer's Market) is approx. 60,406 square feet... and it takes up a LARGE amount of real estate.

This new construction could have a negative impact on the parking for state employees who find it necessary to park in that lot. Easily half that lot is full on an given workday. Maybe this could spur the state to look at the poor parking situation at some of their capitol complex buildings. Probably not... but it is a consideration when such a large piece of the Cramton Bowl lot may be consumed.
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Very true!

Concerning the proposed 72,000 square foot mutli-use sports center... I wonder how much of a chunk this new place will take out of the existing parking lot just south of Cramton Bowl? From reviewing the City's website, it appears the Armory Learing Arts Center (between Cramton Bowl and the Farmer's Market) is approx. 60,406 square feet... and it takes up a LARGE amount of real estate.

This new construction could have a negative impact on the parking for state employees who find it necessary to park in that lot. Easily half that lot is full on an given workday. Maybe this could spur the state to look at the poor parking situation at some of their capitol complex buildings. Probably not... but it is a consideration when such a large piece of the Cramton Bowl lot may be consumed.
I wish they would build this sports facility where the old rail yard was. The city already owns it. And it doesn't look like the state is going to build the Dept. of Human Resources campus there anymore. It's close to the E.D. and there's plenty of room for parking too.
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I wish they would build this sports facility where the old rail yard was. The city already owns it. And it doesn't look like the state is going to build the Dept. of Human Resources campus there anymore. It's close to the E.D. and there's plenty of room for parking too.
I believe it was the Department of Public Health. I work for DHR in Information Systems and I do not think we were ever in the running for a new campus-type location.

I sorta like your idea too of the rail yard location. Although, I am cool with it being adjacent to a renovated Cramton Bowl, I am just concerned about the lost parking since I have a number of friends that park in that lot.
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No... I don't get the connection you are after.

We are not discussing walking somewhere, which would involve much needed exercise. The subject is parking and access to free parking for tons (slight pun intended) of state employees. There is currently not a dedicated lot, except for Cramton Bowl, for employees of the Gordon Persons Building and the Folsom Administrative Building.

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I believe it was the Department of Public Health. I work for DHR in Information Systems and I do not think we were ever in the running for a new campus-type location.
That's right, it was the Dept. of Public Health. They were going to move out of the RSA Tower to that location.
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I think this an interesting article. What it doesn't say says a lot.
It wasn't just the economy, I believe it was some of the decisions of the developers and others that really slowed down this once promising development...if not doomed it.



Investors rescue Waters development
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Author: Cosby Woodruff
Date: May 9, 2010


Residential development at The Waters, and many other projects, ground to a halt a couple of years ago, but a new financial lifeline means construction is likely to begin anew this quarter.

Birmingham-based ARK Real Estate Strategies bought out bank loans at the project in an equity-for-debt deal. The investors retained most of the original team from The Waters.

With the new financial standing, the stalled concept is finally ready to move ahead with a second residential phase, according to Nathan Norris, director of marketing and design.

Norris said The Waters had the worst possible timing in its development. It started a second phase by building streets and installing utilities, one of the most costly parts of any development.

Just when it was ready to start building homes at full speed, the recession pretty much put a halt to everything, Norris said. With no residential construction under way and no sales in the pipeline, The Waters soon faced financial strain.

Norris described the original bank loans as complicated and spread out among a number of lenders. With little cash to build and few customers, construction hit a standstill.

That opened the door for ARK, which includes an investment fund the company describes as designed to take advantage of distressed real estate projects.

Thomas H. Brigham, the company's chairman, said The Waters was such a bargain.

ARK bought out the bank debt at an undisclosed discount. The banks were willing to sell the loans at a discount because lenders generally do not wish to foreclose on development property.

James Barth, a finance professor at Auburn University, said such deals are not uncommon.

"It is designed to be a win-win for everybody," he said.

It also isn't uncommon for the investors to retain previous management in such a deal, especially if the financial troubles were caused by general market conditions, he said.

"They may think the builder and the project still has potential," he said. "They still need people to run this project."

Brigham said the deal was a great investment for his company, and officials at The Waters are pleased the investment will allow them to move forward with few changes to their original plan.

Ed Welch, one of the development's founders, said keeping the original vision led him to want to be a part of the new deal.

"That was one of the keys," he said. "We were looking for people who share the same vision that we had."
Brigham agreed.

"We think the original vision was the right vision for that community," he said.
"The characteristics of the development will be substantially the same."

That vision is one of concentrated clusters of residential areas separated by open space. All of it is centered around a lake, and each of the clusters was to contain a town-center area of mixed office and retail use.

Brigham said the fund was designed to buy up such struggling projects in what some call second-tier Southern markets. Many such investors look only at markets like Charlotte, N.C., or Atlanta, but he insisted bargains were available in smaller markets.

"We think Montgomery is a great market," he said. "Look at what you have in Hyundai, the state government and the Air Force base."

ARK was not interested in developments that appeared as if a builder simply bought land and started putting up houses.

"The assets have to all be high-quality assets," he said of the fund's investments.

"The Waters kept popping up. It was a well-conceived development."
He said his company found a project that had many good ideas, but simply too many bank loans to remain viable.

"We came in and made a substantial investment in The Waters," he said. "We believe in having little or no debt in anything we do."

That, Welch said, will be the key to making the project profitable.

ARK brings a much-needed financial stability, one that will allow construction to begin almost immediately.

"That is our plan," Welch said, noting the next housing starts should be within 60 days.

"We want to get sticks coming out of the ground because people want to be at The Waters."

Brigham said he expects to make only a few changes to The Waters original concept. One change that is in the works is a shift, at least in part, to a lower entry price for residents.

According to information provided by Norris, building lots in the second phase start at about $57,000 and cost up to $224,000. Houses in the first phase are listed between $270,000 and $415,000.
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article from the Sunday paper

Central Alabama Sports Commission takes small steps in its initial stages

...The commission gave its approval this week to architect's renderings by McKee and Associates for the renovation of Cramton Bowl and the construction of a new multi-purpose arena at the south end of the stadium that must be approved by the City Council...
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...The commission gave its approval this week to architect's renderings by McKee and Associates for the renovation of Cramton Bowl and the construction of a new multi-purpose arena at the south end of the stadium that must be approved by the City Council...
Has anyone seen the renderings of this proposed facility?
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Guys, this looks like some good news about redevelopment around the SW area of downtown.


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Date: May 15, 2010

All that is left of the old Carlton McLendon Furniture Factory on Grady Street is a concrete slab. What city leaders are worried about are the possible contaminants that cannot be seen beneath the surface.

Montgomery officials worry that unknown environmental factors could also be one of the stigmas discouraging investors from buying into a distressed area near downtown. They hope assessments of the 31 possible contaminant sites in the immediate area -- and then, if necessary, the remediation that would follow -- will reassure potential investors interested in developing the areas along the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail.

The assessments are possible through a $200,000 grant that was announced Friday morning. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is administering the grant through the Alabama Department of Environmental Management, which will use the grant to perform environmental assessments along the historic trail.

"This (project) has national significance. It also has significance for the cities from Selma to Montgomery," said ADEM Director Lance LeFleur.
"But this is really about the people along the trail. It's about the people who live in this neighborhood. We're remembering and commemorating what people did sometime ago because they felt the need to be involved," Lefleur said, referring to those who participated in the historic march.

The eagerness on the part of city, county and state officials to tackle this "first step" in the process was evident Friday. Folks had not yet cleared out from the news conference when crews started drilling down into the ground for samples.

The tent used for the news conference was actually set up on one of the sites, which used to be a gas station. Montgomery Planning Director Ken Groves said the gas station had an underground, single wall storage tank, which made the likelihood of a leak at some point strong.

Since the Three Points neighborhood -- "Three Points" is a relatively new name for the neighborhood -- was developed before many of today's environmental laws and regulations were created, there is reason to suspect that sites along the trail could have contamination issues.

Officials with ADEM say they are not overly worried about what the assessments might find because the agency will likely be able to treat any contamination that is found. Also, a low-level petroleum leak could disintegrate on its own, according to ADEM officials.

"This has to happen before the rest can happen," LeFleur said. "This does not get it done. This begins the process."

Even though it is not possible to know for sure, Groves said he believes that any problem uncovered during the assessment phase would be "relatively minor." Groves and Gary Sharpe, a project manager who works in the city's community development division, said they are most worried about what might be found at the old Carlton McLendon Furniture Factory site due to the size of the property, the period in which it was in operation and the long length of time that it was up and running.

"This is a $200,000 investment to turn (the neglect of the area) around. It's an investment to say that new life can be breathed into that which was dry bones," U.S. Congressman Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, who grew up in the neighborhood, said at the news conference. The mayors of Selma and Hayneville were also present.

The city of Montgomery has formed a public-private partnership with developer Five Star Consortium LLC with the intention of reinventing the historic neighborhood, which is next to Cottage Hill downtown, into a diverse, mixed-use area.

The project, which would invest about $25 million into the neighborhood in just the first phase, is being compared to what was done to revitalize the Sweet Auburn Historical District in Atlanta.

"Today's award will help us move one step closer to achieving our goal," said Montgomery Deputy Mayor Jeff Downes.
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Here's another area that investors have targeted for redevelopment--the old Caroline Court project. They're even having a 24 hour charrette to come up with a development plan.

I wish I'd known about this earlier...

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I hope I can be there for the implosion.

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The city of Montgomery has made an offer on a piece of property that is considered the most strategically valuable downtown site in the city's master plan -- One Court Square, according to Mayor Todd Strange.

The city has offered to pay a little more than $3 million for the One Court Square site, which is the site of the old Colonial Bank building and the same property that local officials had proposed unsuccessfully as the new home for the Alabama Legislature.

The offer is for about half of the appraised value for the property. The property is appraised for about $6.2 million, according to Strange.

If the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. accepts the offer, the property could possibly be purchased with a $60 million bond issue that the City Council will first have to pass.

The old Colonial BancGroup headquarters was at One Court Square until 2006 when the company moved out east. The Montgomery-based bank collapsed in August 2009, making it the biggest U.S. bank failure of the year and the sixth-largest in U.S. history.

Strange is preparing a proposal that he said he hopes to present at the next City Council meeting, which is set for Tuesday, June 1. That proposal will include details on what kind of bonds the city could seek out, how much indebtedness the city could incur and what the impact would be on the budget.

The proposal will also include a list of projects that Strange believes should be funded through a bond issue. As of now, Strange is proposing that the city use the bond money in the following ways:


Renovate City Hall and restore the City Auditorium, which would cost as little as $4 million and as much as $6 million.

Help the Montgomery Public School system build a school in east Montgomery, should the board of education decide to go that route.

Either build a new fire station in east Montgomery or renovate the existing station close to the Montgomery Mall.

Overhaul Cramton Bowl and build a 92,000-square-foot multipurpose sports facility, which was the recommendation of the Central Alabama Sports Commission. Changes to the aging football stadium could cost more than $10 million, and the multi-use sports center would cost about $12 million.

Build a connector road from Ray Thorington Road and Taylor Road to encourage development in the area.

Construct a police substation on West Fairview Avenue as part of the West Montgomery Initiative.
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lol. thoraudio, I knew you would be the one to post this article.

But this would be huge if the offer is accepted.


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