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Got the crawfish tails, and they were fine. Big portions, next time I'll get the 'basket' instead of a plate. Of course, as seems to be par for the course in Montgomery our waitress sucked. Food was quick but we had to beg for refills and one of the guys never did get the cocktail sauce he asked for.
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...as seems to be par for the course in Montgomery our waitress sucked...
Not just Montgomery...sadly people just don't take pride in what they do, regardless if it's their career, at least do what your paid to do well...
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Got the crawfish tails, and they were fine. Big portions, next time I'll get the 'basket' instead of a plate. Of course, as seems to be par for the course in Montgomery our waitress sucked. Food was quick but we had to beg for refills and one of the guys never did get the cocktail sauce he asked for.



The service in Mobile is normally decent inspite of the crowd.My friends told me that the prices are like a dollar more up that way though.
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The service in Mobile is normally decent inspite of the crowd.My friends told me that the prices are like a dollar more up that way though.
I'm sure that extra buck is because of transportation cost since most claim to receive fresh seafood daily.

BTW, at Wintzell's I've had excellent service every time I went there; in spite of the crowd. Great food.
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SALE PENDING signs back up on the two former Colonial Bank properties on Commerce Street. Maybe the hotel development is back on track.
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SALE PENDING signs back up on the two former Colonial Bank properties on Commerce Street. Maybe the hotel development is back on track.
Thanks's Capital Heights.

I was wondering what was the status if that hotel project.

I'm still wondering what's happening with Capital Hotel site.
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city is trying to buy the property on lower Dexter. The guy has really been asking way too much, so hopefully this will move things along.
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city is trying to buy the property on lower Dexter. The guy has really been asking way too much, so hopefully this will move things along.
City may buy Dexter Avenue properties
By Jill Nolin • May 8, 2010

As redevelopment of Montgomery's riverfront has flourished, redevelopment of lower Dexter Avenue has lagged behind, partially because of the vacant storefronts and businesses along the avenue. Montgomery officials, tired of waiting for something to happen, are attempting to buy several of these properties for the city.

The city has made an offer to property owner Archie Daryanani, but neither Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange nor Daryanani's attorney, Charles Edmondson, would discuss details when asked on Friday.

"It's a fair business deal," Strange said.

The city is looking at fewer than a dozen of Daryanani's properties along lower Dexter Avenue that Strange said have "strategic value." Daryanani owns numerous properties on lower Dexter Avenue, most of which have been vacant for years.

Strange and Edmondson both declined to say how much the city offered Daryanani. Strange would only say that the offer was "substantially below the amount that Daryanani was asking." At one point, 10 of his Dexter Avenue properties were listed for a combined $5.1 million.

When contacted Friday, Daryanani said he did not have time to talk and deferred comment to his attorney.

"They are looking at a number of things to determine if this is something that they want to pursue," Edmondson said.

Strange said the city has talked to other property owners on lower Dexter Avenue, but he said those conversations have not developed into anything more serious.

If the city decides to purchase Daryanani's properties, it would turn around and resell them at a reasonable price to someone who would develop them, Strange said.

The prices that Daryanani is asking for the individual properties have been a "limiting factor" for revitalization on lower Dexter Avenue, the mayor said.
Strange said that the redevelopment of lower Dexter Avenue, as well as Three Points and Maxwell Boulevard, "is a natural extension" of the rebirth on the riverfront. He said the redevelopment would probably come eventually to Dexter Avenue without the city's intervention, but that under the present circumstance it would require a tremendous wait time.

The city has an option on the properties and is currently doing its due diligence, where it will do an environmental assessment and other inspections. Strange said the negotiations could be complete by the end of the summer.

Strange said the city decided to attempt to acquire the properties on lower Dexter Avenue after several potential investors repeatedly commented to city officials about the asking prices for the properties. Because of the high cost of merely purchasing the individual properties, the would-be investors dismissed their business idea as unfeasible.

"We had people come to us and say, 'We can't make the numbers work,'" Strange said.

The city has been talking to developers who are interested in bringing businesses such as a deli, a restaurant, a women's clothing store and lofts to lower Dexter Avenue. The city is also working with the Montgomery City-County Public Library Board to try to move the main branch to lower Dexter Avenue.

Strange said the city would be able to get an overall better deal because the cost to buy several properties at once is less expensive than buying each property individually. Doing this will drive down the cost for developers, he said.

"Then we get the economic development benefit from that as opposed to (the properties) just sitting there as dilapidated, abandoned buildings," Strange said, adding that the city would recover the costs over time.

Edmondson, who has represented Daryanani for about 10 years, said he has talked to many people over the years who have expressed an interest in buying the buildings. He said he personally feels the most confident in the city's ability to redevelop the buildings while preserving their historical attributes.

Most of the properties were built between 1890 and about 1930. This segment of roadway is also a final part of the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail.

"I am a tremendous supporter of downtown. I am very much in favor of seeing this town come back to life," Edmondson said. "I had always hoped the city would take the lead."

Edmondson also noted that, as the owner of the properties, the city would have the ability to control what came of the buildings in the future, which would create a sense of uniformity and avoid elements that do not fit into the overall vision.

"We are starting to have something this town can offer people to attract them here that we just haven't had before," Edmondson said.

"It would be my greatest desire that the historical significance of downtown is preserved, and I think this administration intends to do that and has demonstrated that thus far," he added.
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Cramton Bowl could be getting a makeover
By Tim Gayle • April 26, 2010


City officials are moving ahead with plans to renovate Cramton Bowl and to build an indoor sports arena, perhaps in the parking lot adjacent to the municipal football stadium.

Mayor Todd Strange spoke to city council members last week about his $30 million project, with two-thirds of that expenditure aimed at creating a new 95,000-square foot indoor sports facility.

"We have talked about it," said City Council president Charles Jinright. "We've talked about how to finance it and where the revenue would come from. I think we all saw the indoor volleyball tournament (in January at the Performing Arts Center) was such a success and how to move on that. It's an opportunity to bring people to Montgomery and fill up our motels.

"We know we'll have a lot of naysayers but it's an investment in our city."

Strange said the timing would never be better, considering bonds are at record low interest rates and there are several types of financial incentives readily available for the project. He said he would finalize plans and present a proposal to the City Council for their vote some time early this summer.

Strange took the first step in this direction in September when he announced the creation of the Central Alabama Sports Commission and named Ken Blankenship its executive director. The first duty of the commission was to survey the city's facilities and determine which venues needed to be upgraded.

"The renovation of Cramton Bowl is clearly a need that we have," Strange said. "I'm moving forward with proposals to renovate Cramton Bowl and to build an indoor sports facility of 95,000 square feet that would accommodate volleyball, wrestling, basketball, indoor soccer and tennis.

"This is not a cost, this is an investment. It's just like Riverwalk Stadium. How much criticism was there six or seven years ago when we spent $26 million to build Riverwalk? There should be no criticism today because it was an investment that is paying huge dividends. It's the exact same thing with an indoor facility. There is no city our size anywhere that doesn't have those kinds of facilities."

The city has conducted studies in the past to renovate the 88-year-old Cramton Bowl, but those studies included some type of financial partnership with Alabama State University, which uses the facility for its home football games. As Alabama State officials continue plans of building an on-campus facility, Strange moved onward alone to put the finishing touches on the city's stadium.

A $4.2 million renovation in 2004 swapped the natural grass playing surface for an artificial surface, remodeled the dressing rooms, added aluminum seating to the West stands and upgraded the lights. It was the first substantial work done to the stadium since the East stands were added in 1962.

"We've got to do something to it," Jinright said. "The only thing we've done to it is put in a new field, dressing rooms and seating, but nothing to the press box or the concession stands. It's old. It needs to be renovated, it needs to be changed."

The city was approached about hosting the championship games of the Alabama High School Athletic Association in the late 1990s, but its inadequate dressing area for teams prevented that. When the Blue-Gray All-Star Football Classic lost its corporate sponsorship in 2000, officials were unable to attract a new sponsor with an outdated press box that does not include luxury suites for sponsors.

The new plans drawn up by local architect McKee and Associates include an elevator to a new press box, a suite area for Alabama State officials or potential game sponsors, and additional dressing rooms under the East stands. It also specifies an entrance off of Madison Avenue that would change the North bowl area into an open area and improvements to the concourse area under the West stands.

"There are a lot of reasons to fix Cramton Bowl and (attracting new events) is one of them because we've got to go to the next level," Blankenship said.

"There are 30 reasons to fix Cramton Bowl. If we fix it, we're going to have more than football in there. There are a world of things we're looking at that can be in there, but we've got to fix it."

Most of the plans, added Wiley Steen, are similar to the last plans presented to then-Mayor Bobby Bright nearly a decade ago.

"We used part of the ideas but actually got a different architect," said Steen, director of the city's Leisure Services and Facilities Management and a member of the sports commission. "It's basically the same thing -- a new press box, the concourse on the West (press box) side and a new entrance on Madison Avenue. It would give the sports commission a chance to bid on some stuff."

There are several areas to place the new indoor facility, but the most logical is to add it to the area outside of the South end zone at Cramton Bowl, where parking already exists and where the new facility can provide additional accessories to the football stadium.

"There are a couple of options," Strange said. "That will be a decision that the commission will make hopefully this month. If we pull the trigger in the next 60-90 days, we can play in it in the fall of 2011."

Sports commission member Quentin Riggins, an all-state linebacker at Robert E. Lee who played in Cramton Bowl during the mid-1980s, said everyone is in agreement with Strange that the time has come to upgrade the city's sports facilities to lure more events to the Capital City.

"When you look at other communities, they have made upgrades to their facilities and created multi-purpose facilities," he said. "I think it's time to do that with Montgomery's facilities.

"Alabama State and AUM, even Auburn up the street, Troy down the road, you can figure out with the sports commission how to take advantage of these schools' (athletic programs) if you had the facilities to do so. We've got to put the facilities together to attract them."

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Cramton Bowl Retrospective

Did you know Montgomery is one of the few cities in the country with all three generations of its municipal ballparks still standing in decent condition? Have a look:

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Did you know Montgomery is one of the few cities in the country with all three generations of its municipal ballparks still standing in decent condition? Have a look:

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Very interesting. I guess I knew they played baseball there, but never really thought about it.

What we really missed out on, was Auburn playing football in Crampton Bowl. The last Tiger game there was 1953.
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Very interesting. I guess I knew they played baseball there, but never really thought about it.

What we really missed out on, was Auburn playing football in Crampton Bowl. The last Tiger game there was 1953.
Wouldn't it be great to organize an extremely expensive Auburn/Alabama off-season scrimmage at Cramton Bowl for charity?
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Cramton Bowl upgrades may help generate revenue, jobs
By Cosby Woodruff • May 11, 2010


The Central Alabama Sports Commission took one look at a proposal for $22 mil­lion in upgrades to Cramton Bowl and heard the improve­ments could pay for them­selves quickly, then voted to suggest the Montgomery City Council move ahead with the changes.

Changes to the aging foot­ball stadium could cost more than $10 million, and an ad­joining multi-use sports cen­ter would cost about $12 mil­lion.

A study by Troy Universi­ty economist Phillip Mixon said the project could generate up to 341 jobs dur­ing the construction phase, more than 800 permanent jobs and almost $87 million in annual revenue.

Those best-case numbers would require the facility to attract about 50 sporting events -- largely youth tour­naments -- each year. Mixon also used more conservative estimates of 17 and 34 events per year in compiling eco­nomic estimates.

In those cases, the jobs and dollar impact was much less. If the venue hosts 17 tourna­ments per year, it would net only 203 jobs and about $26 million. At 34 events, it would create 514 jobs and more than $55 million.

Mixon cautioned that many of the jobs would be part-time or seasonal. And none of it is guaranteed, he warned the commission in his report.

"It usually takes a signifi­cant amount of time and new economic activity to recover the costs of building large sports facilities," he said.

Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange said he hopes to present a proposal to the City Council by the end of this month. If that happens, he said construction on the sta­dium itself could start by July and be completed in time for the 2011 football sea­son.

The basic plan for the sta­dium would rip out the stands on the north end of the field near Madison Ave­nue and replace them with a pedestrian-friendly plaza. The press box would be re­worked and have an elevator installed.The concourse un­der the main bleachers would be renovated to in­clude new lighting and drainage.

The new building would have space for multiple bas­ketball or volleyball games at any time and would be available for private rental, Strange said.It would have 72,000 square feet.

Strange said it is impor­tant for work to begin quick­ly. The recession led to con­struction bargains and it will take a couple of years for the center to build a list of events.
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They should build a new foot­ball stadium, multi-use sports cen­ter, and parking garage in the entertainment district. To the right of Riverwalk stadium, near the Riverwalk, near the 'Across the river park' (I gave it that name), near the sky bridge taking you to the park, near the hotels, and near the eateries.

Near the infrastructure they have already created.
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They should build a new foot­ball stadium, multi-use sports cen­ter, and parking garage in the entertainment district. Near the Riverwalk, near the 'Across the river park' (I gave it that name), near the sky bridge taking you to the park, near the hotels, and near the eateries.
No, renovating Cramton Bowl is much better. Otherwise only a tiny segment of downtown is transformed. A new Cramton Bowl provides incentives for redevelopment in the area immediately around it. The smart code will prevent anyone from plopping a McBurgerdee's in an asphalt square. This will help really expand the livelihood of the entire downtown area.
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I semi agree with you but all those things go together. Those items work together to create a draw. You want people to be able to park their car and be within walking distance of the draws I listed above. Dexter Avenue is also within walking distance. Troy UM is also within walking distance. There are no other entertainment related business close to the Cramton bowl so there is no need of building it there. If you build in near the riverwalk you can use all the parking garages in that area. There’s already a eatery infrastructure there and more would come. With all those draws the shops would come also.

A bigger farmers market area would be nice in the area were the Cramton bowl is.
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No, renovating Cramton Bowl is much better. Otherwise only a tiny segment of downtown is transformed. A new Cramton Bowl provides incentives for redevelopment in the area immediately around it. The smart code will prevent anyone from plopping a McBurgerdee's in an asphalt square. This will help really expand the livelihood of the entire downtown area.
Sure would be nice to have a trolley route between a renovated Cramton Bowl and the Entertainment District?
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No, renovating Cramton Bowl is much better. Otherwise only a tiny segment of downtown is transformed. A new Cramton Bowl provides incentives for redevelopment in the area immediately around it. The smart code will prevent anyone from plopping a McBurgerdee's in an asphalt square. This will help really expand the livelihood of the entire downtown area.
True, it would spur new development on the the eastern edge of downtown, but I kinda' wish it were closer to the E.D.

Not bad though. That means there will be redevelopment going on in the east, central (lower Dexter), and western areas (Maxwell Blvd, 5 points, 3 points) of downtown.
That's a lot of real estate...
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That's a lot of real estate...
Very true!

Concerning the proposed 72,000 square foot mutli-use sports center... I wonder how much of a chunk this new place will take out of the existing parking lot just south of Cramton Bowl? From reviewing the City's website, it appears the Armory Learing Arts Center (between Cramton Bowl and the Farmer's Market) is approx. 60,406 square feet... and it takes up a LARGE amount of real estate.

This new construction could have a negative impact on the parking for state employees who find it necessary to park in that lot. Easily half that lot is full on an given workday. Maybe this could spur the state to look at the poor parking situation at some of their capitol complex buildings. Probably not... but it is a consideration when such a large piece of the Cramton Bowl lot may be consumed.
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