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Old Posted Apr 18, 2010, 8:22 AM
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Are we "mid" scale? I wasn't aware that we were less than full scale.
I was asleep for a few hours today- did something change?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2010, 11:17 AM
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Are we "mid" scale? I wasn't aware that we were less than full scale.
I was asleep for a few hours today- did something change?
Sorry, let me clarify my statement...

Yes, Los Angeles is the 2nd largest metropolis in the US. When I mentioned "full-scale" i was referring specifically to the Los Angeles Downtown core, relative to those of NY, Philly, Boston, etc....I can see where people got confused.

Los Angeles has made immense strides in "filling in the gaps" in Downtown Los Angeles, and I believe that a new NFL stadium would help expedite that process 10x (by increasing demands for services in the Downtown Area i.e restaurants, bars, hotels, taxi, public transportation, etc., as well as bring in massive amounts of money through multiple income streams)
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2010, 6:47 PM
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Los Angeles has made immense strides in "filling in the gaps" in Downtown Los Angeles, and I believe that a new NFL stadium would help expedite that process 10x (by increasing demands for services in the Downtown Area i.e restaurants, bars, hotels, taxi, public transportation, etc., as well as bring in massive amounts of money through multiple income streams)
In general I'd say this is not correct. NFL stadiums in and of themselves do not do much to revitalize neighborhoods as they do not stage enough regular events to support these types of ancillary businesses. Let me remind you that the Coliseum has seen pro football, Superbowls, Olympics, and other events, and yet we never saw the same type of impact on the surrounding neighborhood that we have seen with Staples. The reason being that Staples/LA Live is a constant beehive of activity with events occurring almost every day, compared to the relatively few events scattered throughout the calendar held at the Coliseum.

The sole reason this latest proposal *may* be viable is that it calls for a retractable roof, enabling the stadium to be used as a multipurpose facility/convention space. Now that DTLA has become a much more attractive convention location the LACC desperately needs to expand if LA wishes to be competitive with other cities in luring convention business. Perhaps the cash strapped city could sell the LACC to AEG and let them handle all the day to day management of the facility. I'm sure they could do a much better job.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 18, 2010, 9:53 PM
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And, per above... it makes logical sense to persue a phased approach in construction; first expand the convention Center to assure sufficient space is available, then second, construct a stadium.
But where? Up?

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Are you guys really thinking of the enormous implications this would have on the traffic situation here on weekends? It's already infuriating to leave one's downtown home during a Laker game...

We shouldn't build or construct such large-scale civic endeavors until we adequately solve the PRESSING transportation issues we're going to have in getting people to them. On top of our ALREADY PRESSING transportation issues
Have you forgotten that this stadium would be less than a quarter of a mile from the Pico Blue Line station? Include the Expo Line, as well as the Silver Line Busway and you have different options for transit from and to the stadium.

Perhaps we can get on and off ramps on Pico?

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What's the status of that Silverlake "Silver Line" again; why is it not included in the 30/10 plan? Echo Park, Silverlake, Los Feliz, all connecting the Red Line to and from Dodger Stadium between Hollywood & DT should be a no-brainer.
One major hurdle IIRC remains the eastern section; we're gonna need to compromise with Union Pacific (which I believe owns the ROW) as the ACE project is developed.

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Why are we building — light rail out to "the foothills" first instead?
Because it's far from "—". It WILL have high ridership if it hits at least Citrus College. And on top of that, not everyone using the line HAS to travel the entire length of the line. That's setting this system up for failure. Remember LA is a sprawling polycentric city, and sending it to Ontario Airport will let the millions of people in the SGV avoid having to go all the way to LAX to travel by air. Trust me, I take the 187 that goes along Foothill Blvd, and it's almost always crowded (meaning nearly all seats are taken).
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 12:19 AM
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Kind of old, but it's still an update:

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In Los Angeles, Freeway Cap Park Plans Move Forward

By ASLA on 03/23/2010



The Architect’s Newspaper writes that plans for freeway cap park are moving forward in Los Angeles County. The cap idea involves covering parts of a freeway with a “planted concrete lid.” The freeway cap parks are designed to reconnect neighborhoods cut off by freeways and create green community spaces through the city. Additionally, the cap parks will help reuse existing infrastructure and avoid the enormous costs involved in pulling down freeways. The parks would function as a sort of High Line, but instead of residing on top of abandoned rail road tracks, would be placed on working transportation systems.

According to The Architect’s Newspaper, there are four separate projects being considered across L.A.: one in Hollywood, one in downtown LA, and two in Santa Monica. “Hollywood Central Park would be built atop the 101 Freeway on a proposed 44-acre site between Santa Monica Boulevard and Bronson Avenue. Park 101 would be built atop the ‘Big Trench’ over the 101 Freeway downtown. Santa Monica is hoping to cap portions of the 10 Freeway between Ocean Avenue and 4th Street, and between 14th and 17th streets, creating five- and seven-acre parks.”

The four cap park plans differ depending on existing infrastructure. Francie Stefan, community and strategic planning manager for the City of Santa Monica, said: “Some are glorified bridges, some need center supports, and some just span the whole distance.”

Among the four cap park proposals, the Hollywood Freeway Central Park project is furthest along and has just completed initial feasibility studies, developed by AECOM. The Friends of Hollywood Central Park are now raising funds for detailed environmental impact assessment studies. Early estimates put the cost of the proposed Hollywood Central cap park in the range of one trillion.

Vaughan Davies, director of urban design at AECOM’s LA offfice, sees the new park as central to smart growth plans for Los Angeles: “The proposed site separates some of our most prized and appealing landmarks—Olvera Street, Chinatown, and Union Station on one side; Disney Hall, the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, and City Hall on the other—creating isolated pockets of activity rather than what we need: a livable, walkable, and unified downtown district.”

L.A. Curbed writes that Santa Monica is also moving forward with one of the cap parks. The city council is voting on $3.5 million study and preliminary engineering on a proposed five-acre park.
Source :http://sustainablecitiescollective.com/Home/30138
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 12:21 AM
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The economic windfall as a result of a NFL stadium plunked down in the middle of Downtown would be absolutely enormous.
...but would come at a certain cost. Unless congestion issues can be effectively addressed -- and, really, they can't -- a stadium would be of detriment to other downtown events as people forego them to avoid game traffic. As it stands, the L.A. Philharmonic estimates that most of its no-show subscribers are absent for traffic reasons; there just aren't enough hours in the evening to spend as much time in the car as attending a performance. Other downtown institutions and businesses are no doubt similarly affected.

If our mission is to make downtown a destination in itself -- that is, a place that is unique in all the region for people to eat, drink, shop and commune -- then we must maintain a reasonable degree of accessibility. With a 70,000-seat stadium in the mix, traffic would back up into neighboring area codes.

Until we have comprehensive rapid transit and a culture that is amenable to using it, downtown is a bad location for a project like this.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 12:24 AM
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Until we have comprehensive rapid transit and a culture that is amenable to using it, downtown is a bad location for a project like this.
LATC Railyards is a another spot that people haven't thought of yet.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 1:01 AM
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Bobcat: I was wondering where or how they'd replace the West Halls convention space and after reading your post I figured it out. If it's covered, the stadium itself could be used for expanded conventions. It'd be great exposure for both the Convention Center and the LA Live Campus. The more I hear about this proposal, the more I like it.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 3:06 AM
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If it's covered, the stadium itself could be used for expanded conventions.
Conceivably. But in looking at LACC's calendar, it would seem that the potential for date conflict is high. LACC would likely be restricted from hosting major events during football season, or when other big-ticket dates are in proximity -- which, per Leiweke and Wasserman, would be often. LACC would also lose flexibility for multiple bookings.

Given how competitive the convention industry is, I don't see how reducing LACC's functionality is an advantage.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 19, 2010, 6:38 AM
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From JDCrash's park article:
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Early estimates put the cost of the proposed Hollywood Central cap park in the range of one trillion.
Was that a giant, multi-letter typo?

A trillion dollars for a park? Some expensive tarp going in there...(cringeworthy, unavoidable joke) - hell, that's more than TARP.

That's more than the cost of the recently passed health care bill that will ostensibly be covering 95% of America

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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 12:22 AM
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a nice article regarding rentals in downtown from downtown news:



Rental Rollercoaster


Report Finds Los Angeles Apartment Rates Dropping, Though
Downtown Landlords See a Different Market
by Richard Guzmán
Published: Friday, April 16, 2010 4:39 PM PDT
DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES - A study recently released by the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate had harsh tones for landlords, with a prediction that rents for Los Angeles County apartments would decline by an average of 3.5% this year.

A group of Downtown Los Angeles building owners don’t think they will take a hit.

“I don’t agree with this projection,” said developer Barry Shy, who owns six properties with more than 1,100 apartments in the Historic Core. “In my experience, new construction stopped a while back and we’re in a city where new people keep coming and the demand will still be there, but the supply is stopping.”

Shy’s stance was similar to that of several other Downtown landlords, who said that despite a 9.9% decline in Downtown rental prices last year, this year they are likely to hold steady and could even increase.

The Casden Real Estate Economics Forecast, released by the Lusk Center this month, said the high number of foreclosures and overbuilding during the housing bubble has resulted in a glut of rentals in Southern California. It also said a large “shadow supply” of single family homes and condos that have gone on the rental market will continue to put pressure on rents.

The study focused on Los Angeles County, Orange County, the Inland Empire and San Diego County. The largest projected decline was for L.A. County, and San Diego County was the only locale projected to see an increase, though with a meager 0.7% rate of growth.

Tracey Seslen, a professor at the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate who co-authored the study, said no forecasts were prepared for submarkets such as Downtown. But she said the decline is expected to be more moderate than last year’s nearly 10% drop.

“All markets are going to be performing better this year than last year, although for some that still means a decline,” she said.

Occupancy Bounce


The report does provide some interesting details about the Downtown rental market.

According to the study, Downtown showed “an incredible” recovery in 2009, with the occupancy level rising from 85.5% to 95.5%. Downtown had 8,350 net move-ins in 2009, with average rents ending at $1,654 per month, a 9.9% decrease from the previous year’s $1,836. The average rent in the Los Angeles metropolitan area in 2009 was $1,488, down 5.8% from 2008.

There were 1,307 units completed in Downtown in 2009, approximately one quarter of the supply in the county, according to the report. It also stated that 1,107 new units are expected in 2010.


Andrew Murray, CFO of Meruelo Maddox Properties, which in Downtown owns the Union Lofts, said he has come to a completely opposite conclusion than the report, at least when it comes to Downtown.

He said the report’s definition of Downtown is larger in scope than what most stakeholders think of the area, extending to Western Avenue and including projects such as Miramar Village, near Beverly Boulevard and Alvarado Street. He said that because of the halt in construction, new units coming on the market are likely to be quickly rented.

“When everything is full and there’s no new supply, then guess what? Rents are going to go up,” he said.

Indeed, some recently opened projects have been quickly finding tenants.

Less than two months after opening in January, and with little advertising, 27 of the 38 apartments in the Emil Brown Lofts at 308 E. Ninth St. had been rented, at prices of $1,200-$3,000 for 750-1,700-square-foot lofts. In the Arts District, the Brick Lofts opened in December, and three months later had filled 17 of its 21 units using ads on Craigslist and a banner outside the building.

The market has also been kind to Howard and Matt Klein, a father-son development team that opened the 51-unit Factory Place Arts Complex on Dec. 1

“I can say that we are now well over 50% rented in our new development, and are holding firm with our pricing,” Matt Klein said in an email. “Furthermore, we haven’t encountered anything that would lead us to believe that rents are going down this year.”

Shy, meanwhile, said he had 60 people on the waiting list when he began leasing his 25-story, 270-unit SB Tower in January. Rents in the building at 600 S. Spring St. range from $1,250-$2,800 for apartments that are 700-1,500 square feet.

Shy said about a year ago he was offering new tenants discounts of up to $300 at his various properties. Although prospective tenants are still asking for deals, Shy said he is now more likely to stand firm.

“I used to give discounts a year ago, but I don’t lower prices anymore,” he said.

Contact Richard Guzmán at [email protected].
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 12:27 AM
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with the vacancy rate falling below 5% we should start to see some new proposals or existing ones start to get a fresh look over. even with 705 9th st. tower and concerto coming on line very soon. all available inventory will be gone by next year at the current rate of 8,000 new move ins a year and rents will skyrocket, causing most people to be priced out.

this brings to mind park fifth and it being turned into a rental, downsized in terms of ameneties and unit sizes but keep the height and adding more units to fill the extra space. more density is always good. helps keep rents in check, makes the owners more money, and helps the shops that will occupy the ground floor.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 12:32 AM
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over on SCC were talking about whether LA should make a bid for the 2020 Worlds fair, and if we can pull it off. (i say yes) and in talking what monument should be built to attract and show off, the freeway capping park along with the new tower will be a perfect show piece, with several new transit lines opened or under construction nearing completion, and a large green space in the middle of downtown this will show the world that LA has changed and is no longer as car centric as people think we are, along with providing harmony between those that choose to drive and those that want the land that freeways take up being put to good use.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 20, 2010, 2:37 AM
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AUGGGGHHH!!
I had to follow you over here to make sure anyone considering this fantasy should eat a lot of what doesn't agree with them, go sit on the john and while you're waiting it out, think lonnnnng and harrrrrrd about what a thousand Billion looks like. —!
     
     
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^ He obviously doesn't like it.
     
     
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^ He obviously doesn't like it.
Really Colombo?

And I don't even know what a World's Fair is. All I remember is that the Space Needle in Seattle was built for one. And when Bart, Nelson, Martin, and I think Ralph drove to Knoxville to see this giant sphere thing that was full of wigs.
     
     
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The Charcoal Grill on 2nd Street opened up last week and I tried it for the first time last night. It's pretty good, and very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get. The pork chop taco and chorizo taco are dangerously good.
     
     
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Got this email in my inbox today. Looks like someone is still serious about the 101 Cap Park.

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2010, 8:57 AM
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Yeah, I was looking this over and I don't think anyone here who is serious about development in the Los Angeles area should be considering this.
I'd much rather see a "Hollywood sign" hotel.
Once again, these things are probably excuses for more development ON TOP OF the mess being proposed!
This mess being the kind of thing that will collapse when we have our little event and all you see from the helicopter is smoke coming from the hundreds of buried vehicles!
And see what you can imagine in your mind what Los Angeles can do with 1000 Billion dollars- if indeed this is what something like this would cost.
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That's world class comprehensive elevated and subterranean mass transit right there!
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Did you know it will leak? It will leak.
     
     
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